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1. 06:06 AM - Fitting/aligning the flaps/ailerons (David E. Nelson)
2. 07:40 AM - Re: Fitting/aligning the flaps/ailerons 15, 2004) at 06/06/2005 08:06:07 AM, Serialize by Router on MailServ58-US/AUS/H/NIC(Release 6.5.3FP1|December 15, 2004) at 06/06/2005 08:06:09 AM, Serialize complete at 06/06/2005 08:06:09 AM (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
3. 08:03 AM - Re: Fitting/aligning the flaps/ailerons 15, 2004) at 06/06/2005 08:06:07 AM, Serialize by Router on MailServ58-US/AUS/H/NIC(Release 6.5.3FP1|December 15, 2004) at 06/06/2005 08:06:09 AM, Serialize complete at 06/06/2005 08:06:09 AM (Dan Checkoway)
4. 08:29 AM - Re: Fitting/aligning the flaps/ailerons 15, 2004) at 06/06/2005 (Norman Younie)
5. 08:43 AM - Re: Fitting/aligning the flaps/ailerons 15, 2004) at 06/06/2005 08:06:07 AM, Serialize by Router on MailServ58-US/AUS/H/NIC(Release 6.5.3FP1|December 15, 2004) at 06/06/2005 08:06:09 AM, Serialize complete at 06/06/2005 08:06:09 AM (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
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| Subject: | Fitting/aligning the flaps/ailerons |
15, 2004) at 06/06/2005 08:06:07 AM,
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--> RV7-List message posted by: "David E. Nelson" <david.nelson@pobox.com>
Hi All,
Got the right aileron on this weekend and scratched my head about attaching the
flap. The plans call out for 1/4" spacing between the flap/aileron and
aileron/wing-tip. So I placed the wing-tip on the wing only to discover that a
lot of sanding needs to occur on the wing-tip to achieve the 1/4" spacing. Is
there a better reference that I can measure to/from to adjust the
inboard/outboard positions of the flap/aileron?
If possible, I'd like to move the aileron inboard by one washer thickness to
avoid a slight binding between the push rod and the rear spar. I could dremel
out the hole a little bit more but I'd rather not if at all possible.
Thoughts?
And finally, I've already dimpled the bottom wing skins and the flap brace
causing my #40 holes to no longer be #40. So how do I accurately drill the
flap hinge so that the rivets will fall into place?
Thanks,
/\/elson
RV-7A Wings - Flaps and Ailerons
Austin, TX
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| Subject: | Fitting/aligning the flaps/ailerons 15, 2004) at 06/06/2005 |
08:06:07 AM, Serialize by Router on MailServ58-US/AUS/H/NIC(Release
6.5.3FP1|December 15, 2004) at 06/06/2005 08:06:09 AM, Serialize complete
at 06/06/2005 08:06:09 AM
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Hello David...It was about 3 weeks ago that I got to this very
point...and made the very same mistake except I actually rivitted the
rear lower skin to the flap brace WITHOUT installing the flap
hinge...DOH!
The answer to the hinge dilemma is "very carefully", that is very
carefully clamp the hinge on the bottom of the wing skin with the flap
attatched to the hinge....the rear edge of the flap and the aileron need
to line up with the aileron clamped in the neutral position (piece of
angle clamped to the outboard rib and clecoe type clamp on the aileron
weldment will hold it firmly in place). Then slide the wing towards you
so that you can drill from the top side and fully rotate the flap
upwards to allow access for the drill..Spot drill with a larger than #40
drill bit in about 6 locations along the hinge.
Remove everything...drill the spots out to #40 and fit the hinge as
normal...On both of mine I found I had to shim the aileron out about one
thin washers worth under each of the weldments...alignment is now
perfect.
However I have told you all this in reverse...First you have to position
the flap aileron laterally.
First off the reference is the aileron itself...My reference was the two
washers shown on the outboard hinge...always put these in there when
trial fitting, make the spacer on the other end to suit. That sets the
lateral reference...Now your flap needs to be set 3/16ths to 1/4" from
thes edge of the aileron.
Yes there will be sanding (cutting with the flexiglass disc provided for
the canopy works well) on the tip to get the clearance...If you think
about it there has to be, no way round it.
Frank
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Nelson
Subject: RV7-List: Fitting/aligning the flaps/ailerons 15, 2004) at
06/06/2005 08:06:07 AM, Serialize by Router on
MailServ58-US/AUS/H/NIC(Release 6.5.3FP1|December 15, 2004) at
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--> RV7-List message posted by: "David E. Nelson"
--> <david.nelson@pobox.com>
Hi All,
Got the right aileron on this weekend and scratched my head about
attaching the flap. The plans call out for 1/4" spacing between the
flap/aileron and aileron/wing-tip. So I placed the wing-tip on the wing
only to discover that a lot of sanding needs to occur on the wing-tip to
achieve the 1/4" spacing. Is there a better reference that I can
measure to/from to adjust the inboard/outboard positions of the
flap/aileron?
If possible, I'd like to move the aileron inboard by one washer
thickness to avoid a slight binding between the push rod and the rear
spar. I could dremel out the hole a little bit more but I'd rather not
if at all possible.
Thoughts?
And finally, I've already dimpled the bottom wing skins and the flap
brace causing my #40 holes to no longer be #40. So how do I accurately
drill the flap hinge so that the rivets will fall into place?
Thanks,
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| Subject: | Re: Fitting/aligning the flaps/ailerons 15, 2004) at 06/06/2005 |
08:06:07 AM, Serialize by Router on MailServ58-US/AUS/H/NIC(Release
6.5.3FP1|December 15, 2004) at 06/06/2005 08:06:09 AM, Serialize complete
at 06/06/2005 08:06:09 AM
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Center the aileron brackets as best you can. That's a good starting point.
In other words, try to get the powder coated brackets on the ailerons as
centered as possible over the aluminum bearing brackets on the wings.
Record (write down, photograph, whatever) the combination of washers you
used to achieve that centering...you will want to use that same combination
going forward.
Once the aileron is where you want it, let that be the reference for all
else.
Install the flap to achieve proper spacing from the aileron, and trim or
file the inboard edge of the flap to achieve spacing from the fuselage.
That gap can be a little tighter. Mine almost contacts (it did contact on
my early flights, filed it back a bit).
Next install the wing tip. Yes, the flange comes "oversized" and the aft
end definitely extends inboard too far. You will have to trim this. Trim
it so that when the wing tip is positioned, you have proper spacing between
it and your aileron.
Yes, you will most likely have the wing tip trailing edge extending aft past
the aileron trailing edge. This is common. And the wing tip trailing edge
might not be perfectly in trail with the aileron when the aileron is rigged
& centered (use the bellcrank rigging tool here to hold it rigid). You can
trim the wing tip trailing edge, and you can slice open its edge and then
re-epoxy it where you want it.
My advice is to RIG THE AILERONS, and then match the flap & wing tip to the
aileron, NOT vice versa!
On the flap hinge, just do your best to center everything. You were
supposed to countersink, not dimple, the flap brace. I made the same
mistake.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (500+ hours)
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "David E. Nelson" <david.nelson@pobox.com>
Subject: RV7-List: Fitting/aligning the flaps/ailerons 15, 2004) at
06/06/2005 08:06:07 AM, Serialize by Router on
MailServ58-US/AUS/H/NIC(Release 6.5.3FP1|December 15, 2004) at 06/06/2005
08:06:09 AM, Serialize complete at 06/06/2005 08:06:09 AM
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "David E. Nelson" <david.nelson@pobox.com>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Got the right aileron on this weekend and scratched my head about
attaching the
> flap. The plans call out for 1/4" spacing between the flap/aileron and
> aileron/wing-tip. So I placed the wing-tip on the wing only to discover
that a
> lot of sanding needs to occur on the wing-tip to achieve the 1/4" spacing.
Is
> there a better reference that I can measure to/from to adjust the
> inboard/outboard positions of the flap/aileron?
>
> If possible, I'd like to move the aileron inboard by one washer thickness
to
> avoid a slight binding between the push rod and the rear spar. I could
dremel
> out the hole a little bit more but I'd rather not if at all possible.
> Thoughts?
>
> And finally, I've already dimpled the bottom wing skins and the flap brace
> causing my #40 holes to no longer be #40. So how do I accurately drill
the
> flap hinge so that the rivets will fall into place?
>
> Thanks,
> /\/elson
> RV-7A Wings - Flaps and Ailerons
> Austin, TX
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fitting/aligning the flaps/ailerons 15, 2004) at 06/06/2005 |
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--> RV7-List message posted by: Norman Younie <rv6capt@pacificcoast.net>
I agree with Dan on all.
Norman
RV-6, RV-7, RV-7, F1 Rocket
Dan Checkoway wrote:
>--> RV7-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>Center the aileron brackets as best you can. That's a good starting point.
>In other words, try to get the powder coated brackets on the ailerons as
>centered as possible over the aluminum bearing brackets on the wings.
>Record (write down, photograph, whatever) the combination of washers you
>used to achieve that centering...you will want to use that same combination
>going forward.
>
>Once the aileron is where you want it, let that be the reference for all
>else.
>
>Install the flap to achieve proper spacing from the aileron, and trim or
>file the inboard edge of the flap to achieve spacing from the fuselage.
>That gap can be a little tighter. Mine almost contacts (it did contact on
>my early flights, filed it back a bit).
>
>Next install the wing tip. Yes, the flange comes "oversized" and the aft
>end definitely extends inboard too far. You will have to trim this. Trim
>it so that when the wing tip is positioned, you have proper spacing between
>it and your aileron.
>
>Yes, you will most likely have the wing tip trailing edge extending aft past
>the aileron trailing edge. This is common. And the wing tip trailing edge
>might not be perfectly in trail with the aileron when the aileron is rigged
>& centered (use the bellcrank rigging tool here to hold it rigid). You can
>trim the wing tip trailing edge, and you can slice open its edge and then
>re-epoxy it where you want it.
>
>My advice is to RIG THE AILERONS, and then match the flap & wing tip to the
>aileron, NOT vice versa!
>
>On the flap hinge, just do your best to center everything. You were
>supposed to countersink, not dimple, the flap brace. I made the same
>mistake.
>
>)_( Dan
>RV-7 N714D (500+ hours)
>http://www.rvproject.com
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "David E. Nelson" <david.nelson@pobox.com>
>To: <rv7-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV7-List: Fitting/aligning the flaps/ailerons 15, 2004) at
>06/06/2005 08:06:07 AM, Serialize by Router on
>MailServ58-US/AUS/H/NIC(Release 6.5.3FP1|December 15, 2004) at 06/06/2005
>08:06:09 AM, Serialize complete at 06/06/2005 08:06:09 AM
>
>
>
>
>>--> RV7-List message posted by: "David E. Nelson" <david.nelson@pobox.com>
>>
>>
>>Hi All,
>>
>>Got the right aileron on this weekend and scratched my head about
>>
>>
>attaching the
>
>
>>flap. The plans call out for 1/4" spacing between the flap/aileron and
>>aileron/wing-tip. So I placed the wing-tip on the wing only to discover
>>
>>
>that a
>
>
>>lot of sanding needs to occur on the wing-tip to achieve the 1/4" spacing.
>>
>>
>Is
>
>
>>there a better reference that I can measure to/from to adjust the
>>inboard/outboard positions of the flap/aileron?
>>
>>If possible, I'd like to move the aileron inboard by one washer thickness
>>
>>
>to
>
>
>>avoid a slight binding between the push rod and the rear spar. I could
>>
>>
>dremel
>
>
>>out the hole a little bit more but I'd rather not if at all possible.
>>Thoughts?
>>
>>And finally, I've already dimpled the bottom wing skins and the flap brace
>>causing my #40 holes to no longer be #40. So how do I accurately drill
>>
>>
>the
>
>
>>flap hinge so that the rivets will fall into place?
>>
>>Thanks,
>> /\/elson
>> RV-7A Wings - Flaps and Ailerons
>> Austin, TX
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fitting/aligning the flaps/ailerons 15, 2004) at 06/06/2005 |
08:06:07 AM, Serialize by Router on MailServ58-US/AUS/H/NIC(Release
6.5.3FP1|December 15, 2004) at 06/06/2005 08:06:09 AM, Serialize complete
at 06/06/2005 08:06:09 AM
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Incidently....I dimpled everything....skin, flap brace and hinge...All
works just fine and saves a bit of time.
With my alerons/flaps set up like in my previous message I had the flap
skin scrape the sides of the fuse...some mild trimming and its worked
out perfect...As Dan would say..."Your milage may vary".
Frank
RV-7 airframe Almost complete...:)
On the flap hinge, just do your best to center everything. You were
supposed to countersink, not dimple, the flap brace. I made the same
mistake.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (500+ hours)
http://www.rvproject.com
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