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1. 06:15 AM - Change of Heart 7A to 7 ??? (Daniel Storer)
2. 06:20 AM - DWG 28 hole callouts in two spots (Bob Collins)
3. 07:13 AM - Re: Change of Heart 7A to 7 ??? (Dwight Frye)
4. 07:16 AM - Re: DWG 28 hole callouts in two spots (Dan Reeves)
5. 09:33 AM - Re: DWG 28 hole callouts in two spots (Bob Collins)
6. 11:44 AM - Re: DWG 28 hole callouts in two spots (William Gill)
7. 01:25 PM - Re: DWG 28 hole callouts in two spots (LarryRobertHelming)
8. 03:12 PM - Re: DWG 28 hole callouts in two spots (Imken)
9. 04:21 PM - Re: Change of Heart 7A to 7 ??? (B Tomm)
10. 05:09 PM - DRDT-2 dimpling tool at Oshkosh (Merems)
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| Subject: | Change of Heart 7A to 7 ??? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Daniel Storer" <dstorer@OKWiFi.com>
Big question, but first the short story. I live on a grass field in
Oklahoma, and at one time we had three RV's on the field plus several
factory planes. So after much research and time making promises to my wife,
I decided to build an RV 7A. I've got the tail done and the wing almost
there (after a three month absence working honey do list). I also have the
fuselage kit on the shelf ready to start this fall.
So my big question is what if I wanted to change to a "7" tail dragger...
what would it take? Just looking at the two aircraft on Van's web site it
looks like the change is in the fuselage kit, so I would have to send my
engine mount and landing gear back and get the tail wheel, is this correct.
I'm sure I'm not the first to change their mind. One might wonder what
drive me to a big change in plans. Believe it or not it was safety. Grass
fields and tail wheels go together, plus don't forget the sexy look of a day
gone by.
Can anyone tell me if they've ever done the conversion at this point of the
game?
Thanks,
Dan S.
OKC
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| Subject: | DWG 28 hole callouts in two spots |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Hi folks:
Two questions based on notes on DWG 28 regarding fuselage skin holes to
be drilled.
1) One is a notation on the bottom skin where the corner rib fits. It says
"enlarge this hole for flap rod access" (or something like that), but does
not call out a dimension. I assume it's pretty small considering how close
it sits to rivets on either side, but I'm curious what size hole is called
for here.
2) The other is the static port. The location is clearly shown on DWG 28,
but not he size of the hole for the port. Anyone?
And thank you
Bob
St. Paul, Minn.
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| Subject: | Re: Change of Heart 7A to 7 ??? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
Dan,
Absolutely. I made my switch from a 7A to 7 prior to ordering the
fuselage kit ... so for me it was a non-issue. However, the factory
RV-7, which had been finished and flying for a while, got converted
to an RV-7A (the opposite direction to what you are proposing, of
course, but it shows how alike the two models are parts-wise). It
took a little work, but they were able to even make that switch in
fairly short order.
Since it sounds like you have not started on the fuselage, you are
right that it is just a matter of switching a few parts. I'd suggest
calling Van's bright and early on Monday and talking to them about
exactly what is entailed .... but your assessment of mount/gear as
being the big issues is pretty much on the money.
-- Dwight
do not archive
On Sun Jul 17 09:14:20 2005, Daniel Storer wrote :
>
>--> RV7-List message posted by: "Daniel Storer" <dstorer@OKWiFi.com>
>
>
>Big question, but first the short story. I live on a grass field in
>Oklahoma, and at one time we had three RV's on the field plus several
>factory planes. So after much research and time making promises to my wife,
>I decided to build an RV 7A. I've got the tail done and the wing almost
>there (after a three month absence working honey do list). I also have the
>fuselage kit on the shelf ready to start this fall.
>
>So my big question is what if I wanted to change to a "7" tail dragger...
>what would it take? Just looking at the two aircraft on Van's web site it
>looks like the change is in the fuselage kit, so I would have to send my
>engine mount and landing gear back and get the tail wheel, is this correct.
>I'm sure I'm not the first to change their mind. One might wonder what
>drive me to a big change in plans. Believe it or not it was safety. Grass
>fields and tail wheels go together, plus don't forget the sexy look of a day
>gone by.
>
>Can anyone tell me if they've ever done the conversion at this point of the
>game?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dan S.
>OKC
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: DWG 28 hole callouts in two spots |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Dan Reeves <n516dr@yahoo.com>
The hole for the flap pushrods is surprisingly large. It has to accommodate the
size of the rod end bearing. I waited until I mated the wings and had the flaps
on and then gradually enlarged the hole until there was no interference with
the pushrod. Then I traced the hole onto a piece of paper and transferred
it to the other side. I had a couple of pictures of other people's planes that
I used as a starting point. The hole is kind of an inverted V on the side
of the fuselage and kind of a slot on the bottom. The hole actually took out
2 rivets on the bottom.
Probably the best thing to do is wait until next week and trace someone else's
holes at Oshkosh and use that as a template for yours.
As far as the static port hole goes, I believe this is just a #30 hole for the
rivet. I'm not positive about this but if you track down the static port rivet
itself you should be able to tell for sure.
Dan
RV-7A
Just starting the canopy
Bob Collins <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net> wrote:
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Bob Collins"
Hi folks:
Two questions based on notes on DWG 28 regarding fuselage skin holes to
be drilled.
1) One is a notation on the bottom skin where the corner rib fits. It says
"enlarge this hole for flap rod access" (or something like that), but does
not call out a dimension. I assume it's pretty small considering how close
it sits to rivets on either side, but I'm curious what size hole is called
for here.
2) The other is the static port. The location is clearly shown on DWG 28,
but not he size of the hole for the port. Anyone?
And thank you
Bob
St. Paul, Minn.
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| Subject: | DWG 28 hole callouts in two spots |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
OK, one more question. In taking off the left and right skins, I realized
today that there are 4 vertical rivets -- apparently #40s -- just forward
(maybe 4-5 inches) of the big center section bulkhead. They were not drilled
and nothing in the process up to this point apparently called for them to be
fitted to anything. But DWG 28 says these are dimpled rivets and if I'm
going to dimple these four, I need to do it now. I checked the various
drawings and could not find the use for these four rivets.
Anyone?
bob
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[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Reeves
Subject: Re: RV7-List: DWG 28 hole callouts in two spots
--> RV7-List message posted by: Dan Reeves <n516dr@yahoo.com>
The hole for the flap pushrods is surprisingly large. It has to accommodate
the size of the rod end bearing. I waited until I mated the wings and had
the flaps on and then gradually enlarged the hole until there was no
interference with the pushrod. Then I traced the hole onto a piece of paper
and transferred it to the other side. I had a couple of pictures of other
people's planes that I used as a starting point. The hole is kind of an
inverted V on the side of the fuselage and kind of a slot on the bottom.
The hole actually took out 2 rivets on the bottom.
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| Subject: | DWG 28 hole callouts in two spots |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "William Gill" <wgill10@comcast.net>
Hello Bob,
I think the holes you are referring to are the holes for the air vent
angle support. If so, don't dimple these yet as you will use them to
match drill the vent angle. You can dimple later with a pop rivet
dimpler.
Have a great day,
Bill
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From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Collins
Subject: RE: RV7-List: DWG 28 hole callouts in two spots
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
OK, one more question. In taking off the left and right skins, I
realized
today that there are 4 vertical rivets -- apparently #40s -- just
forward
(maybe 4-5 inches) of the big center section bulkhead. They were not
drilled
and nothing in the process up to this point apparently called for them
to be
fitted to anything. But DWG 28 says these are dimpled rivets and if I'm
going to dimple these four, I need to do it now. I checked the various
drawings and could not find the use for these four rivets.
Anyone?
bob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Reeves
Subject: Re: RV7-List: DWG 28 hole callouts in two spots
--> RV7-List message posted by: Dan Reeves <n516dr@yahoo.com>
The hole for the flap pushrods is surprisingly large. It has to
accommodate
the size of the rod end bearing. I waited until I mated the wings and
had
the flaps on and then gradually enlarged the hole until there was no
interference with the pushrod. Then I traced the hole onto a piece of
paper
and transferred it to the other side. I had a couple of pictures of
other
people's planes that I used as a starting point. The hole is kind of an
inverted V on the side of the fuselage and kind of a slot on the bottom.
The hole actually took out 2 rivets on the bottom.
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| Subject: | Re: DWG 28 hole callouts in two spots |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
>
> Hi folks:
> Two questions based on notes on DWG 28 regarding fuselage skin holes to
> be drilled.
>
> 1) One is a notation on the bottom skin where the corner rib fits. It says
> "enlarge this hole for flap rod access" (or something like that), but does
> not call out a dimension. I assume it's pretty small considering how close
> it sits to rivets on either side, but I'm curious what size hole is called
> for here. (((((((( I left this hole for cutting out until I mounted the
> flaps and could actually get to working it up and down. Better to wait
> unless you want to risk making it too small or in the slightly wrong
> place. The shape is irregular is the best way to say it. )))))))
>
> 2) The other is the static port. The location is clearly shown on DWG 28,
> but not he size of the hole for the port. Anyone?(((((((You should buy
> either Vans or someone else's static air kit first. That will tell you
> what size hole you need. I suggest you use Van's static air kit even
> though some think it is less than robust. I have used it now with 50
> hours flying and it works!!!!!! Indiana Larry, RV7, tip up,
> flying.)))))))))
>
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| Subject: | DWG 28 hole callouts in two spots |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Imken" <skikrazi@CenturyTel.net>
I second Indiana Larry's comments on both questions. Careful when you first
run the flaps down the first time or you may bend the flap pushrods if the
fuse holes are too small........don't ask how I know. Start the holes small
and run the pushrods a little at a time so you can watch the action and
enlarge holes where needed. I have over 60 hours with Van's static kit &
have had no problems.
Do not archive,
Chuck Imken,
N735RV
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of LarryRobertHelming
Subject: Re: RV7-List: DWG 28 hole callouts in two spots
--> RV7-List message posted by: "LarryRobertHelming" <lhelming@sigecom.net>
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
>
> Hi folks:
> Two questions based on notes on DWG 28 regarding fuselage skin holes to
> be drilled.
>
> 1) One is a notation on the bottom skin where the corner rib fits. It says
> "enlarge this hole for flap rod access" (or something like that), but does
> not call out a dimension. I assume it's pretty small considering how close
> it sits to rivets on either side, but I'm curious what size hole is called
> for here. (((((((( I left this hole for cutting out until I mounted the
> flaps and could actually get to working it up and down. Better to wait
> unless you want to risk making it too small or in the slightly wrong
> place. The shape is irregular is the best way to say it. )))))))
>
> 2) The other is the static port. The location is clearly shown on DWG 28,
> but not he size of the hole for the port. Anyone?(((((((You should buy
> either Vans or someone else's static air kit first. That will tell you
> what size hole you need. I suggest you use Van's static air kit even
> though some think it is less than robust. I have used it now with 50
> hours flying and it works!!!!!! Indiana Larry, RV7, tip up,
> flying.)))))))))
>
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| Subject: | Change of Heart 7A to 7 ??? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "B Tomm" <fvalarm@rapidnet.net>
It would be easier to go from 7A to 7 than the other way around as Vans did.
Difficulty level would depend on how far the fuse has been completed. If
you have not started the fuse, it would just be a matter of exchanging parts
and carrying on.
Bevan
RV7A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dwight Frye
Subject: Re: RV7-List: Change of Heart 7A to 7 ???
--> RV7-List message posted by: Dwight Frye <dwight@openweave.org>
Dan,
Absolutely. I made my switch from a 7A to 7 prior to ordering the fuselage
kit ... so for me it was a non-issue. However, the factory RV-7, which had
been finished and flying for a while, got converted to an RV-7A (the
opposite direction to what you are proposing, of course, but it shows how
alike the two models are parts-wise). It took a little work, but they were
able to even make that switch in fairly short order.
Since it sounds like you have not started on the fuselage, you are right
that it is just a matter of switching a few parts. I'd suggest calling Van's
bright and early on Monday and talking to them about exactly what is
entailed .... but your assessment of mount/gear as being the big issues is
pretty much on the money.
-- Dwight
do not archive
On Sun Jul 17 09:14:20 2005, Daniel Storer wrote :
>
>--> RV7-List message posted by: "Daniel Storer" <dstorer@OKWiFi.com>
>
>
>Big question, but first the short story. I live on a grass field in
>Oklahoma, and at one time we had three RV's on the field plus several
>factory planes. So after much research and time making promises to my
>wife, I decided to build an RV 7A. I've got the tail done and the wing
>almost there (after a three month absence working honey do list). I
>also have the fuselage kit on the shelf ready to start this fall.
>
>So my big question is what if I wanted to change to a "7" tail dragger...
>what would it take? Just looking at the two aircraft on Van's web site
>it looks like the change is in the fuselage kit, so I would have to
>send my engine mount and landing gear back and get the tail wheel, is this
correct.
>I'm sure I'm not the first to change their mind. One might wonder what
>drive me to a big change in plans. Believe it or not it was safety.
>Grass fields and tail wheels go together, plus don't forget the sexy
>look of a day gone by.
>
>Can anyone tell me if they've ever done the conversion at this point of
>the game?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dan S.
>OKC
>
>
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| Subject: | DRDT-2 dimpling tool at Oshkosh |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Merems" <merems@cox.net>
Fellow RV builders.
The DRDT-2 (www.experimentalaero.com) will be on display at the EAA sheet metal workshop and or the Avery Tool booth at Oshkosh. I will be at AirVenture from Monday through Saturday. Stop by and give the DRDT-2 a test drive.
For those of you who already own one, I'd enjoy meeting you so stop by and say
hi.
Paul Merems
ExperimentalAero
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