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1. 02:26 AM - Right hand seat? (Alf Olav Frog)
2. 07:43 AM - Re: Right hand seat? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
3. 08:14 AM - Re: Right hand seat? (Gerry Filby)
4. 08:48 AM - Re: Right hand seat? (Rob Prior (rv7))
5. 09:41 AM - Re: Right hand seat? (Don Hall)
6. 09:53 AM - Re: Right hand seat? (OneFighterPilot@AOL.com)
7. 12:22 PM - Re: Right hand seat? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
8. 12:30 PM - Re: Right hand seat? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
9. 12:54 PM - Re: Right hand seat? (OneFighterPilot@AOL.com)
10. 12:57 PM - Re: Right hand seat? (OneFighterPilot@aol.com)
11. 12:57 PM - Re: Right hand seat? (William J. Applegate)
12. 12:59 PM - Re: Right hand seat? (OneFighterPilot@aol.com)
13. 11:04 PM - 2 or 3 blade prop?? (Alf Olav Frog)
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| Subject: | Right hand seat? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Alf Olav Frog <alfolavf@online.no>
Hello fellow-builders!
I live i Norway and am starting on the empennage on my RV-7A QB next week.
I'm considering building the cockpit so the right hand seat is the pilot-seat.
That way I can have the right hand on the stick and the left on throttle and prop-control.
That suits and ex-fighterpilot better! hehe!
I have not decided on engine or instruments yet, but the inndodyn turbine sure
is interesting!
Fuelprice for 100L here in Norway now is approx 6 USD per gallon!
Jet A-1 is almost 1/3 of this...
Diesel is approx half...
I'm planning to fly both aerobatics and x-country so the Eggenfellner engine is
no option I guess??. (price for autofuel is approx the same as for diesel)
Does any of you have built an RV-7 with the right hand seat as primary?
Will it be any big problems doing this?
For example have I ordered elec aileron and elevator trim and lighting system nr
6 from Vans. Will this be ok or do I have to modify these sets to fit the right
hand seat?
Can anyone give me a good reason for why the left seat is standard pilot seat??
Best regards Alf Olav Frog, a builder-to-be... :-)
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| Subject: | Right hand seat? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
I'm building mine from the left seat and am told it is easy to change
hands....But I'm nervous about it. If I can't deal with it it does not
look "THAT" big of a deal to install a little sub panel and mount the
cables on the left...Assuming the lengths will still work.
The reason the left seat is standard is because most the traffic
patterns turn to the left so its easier to see where your going.
Forget the Innodyn, I been following it for months...Highly unlikely its
going to work out.
As for the Eggenfelner, yes it is a good package but it is still
debatable as to what performance loss there is running a water cooled
moter (extra cooling drag) in a slippery RV...In the early versions it
was reputed to be 25 mph at cruise...or cruise at the same speed but use
a lot more fuel.
Until there is a head to head fly off I we won't know for sure.
Hae you thought about a Lycoming clone?...Word is they will run
perfectly well on autofuel and that is what I am planning albeit a
slightly different fuel pumping layout to be sure to avoid vapour lock,
and please don't all start a war on me...yes autofuel will lean
perfectly well too as long as a close eye is kept on the CHT monitor.
You have a quite a ways to go before ordering the engine plenty of time
to look at options.
All the best
Frank
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[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alf Olav Frog
Subject: RV7-List: Right hand seat?
--> RV7-List message posted by: Alf Olav Frog <alfolavf@online.no>
Hello fellow-builders!
I live i Norway and am starting on the empennage on my RV-7A QB next
week.
I'm considering building the cockpit so the right hand seat is the
pilot-seat.
That way I can have the right hand on the stick and the left on throttle
and prop-control. That suits and ex-fighterpilot better! hehe!
I have not decided on engine or instruments yet, but the inndodyn
turbine sure is interesting!
Fuelprice for 100L here in Norway now is approx 6 USD per gallon!
Jet A-1 is almost 1/3 of this...
Diesel is approx half...
I'm planning to fly both aerobatics and x-country so the Eggenfellner
engine is no option I guess??. (price for autofuel is approx the same as
for diesel)
Does any of you have built an RV-7 with the right hand seat as primary?
Will it be any big problems doing this?
For example have I ordered elec aileron and elevator trim and lighting
system nr 6 from Vans. Will this be ok or do I have to modify these sets
to fit the right hand seat?
Can anyone give me a good reason for why the left seat is standard pilot
seat??
Best regards Alf Olav Frog, a builder-to-be... :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Right hand seat? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Gerry Filby <gerf@gerf.com>
One alternative might be to put the throttle quadrant on the
left and stay in the left seat - take a look at Dan Checkoway's
site for an example ...
http://www.rvproject.com
g
>
> --> RV7-List message posted by: Alf Olav Frog <alfolavf@online.no>
>
> Hello fellow-builders!
>
> I live i Norway and am starting on the empennage on my RV-7A QB
> next week.
>
> I'm considering building the cockpit so the right hand seat is
> the pilot-seat.
> That way I can have the right hand on the stick and the left on
> throttle and prop-control. That suits and ex-fighterpilot
> better! hehe!
>
> I have not decided on engine or instruments yet, but the
> inndodyn turbine sure is interesting!
> Fuelprice for 100L here in Norway now is approx 6 USD per gallon!
> Jet A-1 is almost 1/3 of this...
> Diesel is approx half...
> I'm planning to fly both aerobatics and x-country so the
> Eggenfellner engine is no option I guess??. (price for autofuel
> is approx the same as for diesel)
>
> Does any of you have built an RV-7 with the right hand seat as primary?
> Will it be any big problems doing this?
> For example have I ordered elec aileron and elevator trim and
> lighting system nr 6 from Vans. Will this be ok or do I have to
> modify these sets to fit the right hand seat?
>
> Can anyone give me a good reason for why the left seat is
> standard pilot seat??
>
> Best regards Alf Olav Frog, a builder-to-be... :-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Right hand seat? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Rob Prior (rv7)" <rv7@b4.ca>
On 2:25:18 2005-07-29 Alf Olav Frog <alfolavf@online.no> wrote:
> --> RV7-List message posted by: Alf Olav Frog <alfolavf@online.no>
> Does any of you have built an RV-7 with the right hand seat as
> primary? Will it be any big problems doing this?
> For example have I ordered elec aileron and elevator trim and
> lighting system nr 6 from Vans. Will this be ok or do I have to modify
> these sets to fit the right hand seat?
I'm building mine this way as well. There are no technical limitations
that preclude putting the pilot's seat on the right side. Since you're
building it from the start, you can put anything you need where you want
it. Electric trim and lighting hardware can all be mounted for right seat
pilots.
Another option would be to install dual engine controls, one set in the
center of the panel and one on the left side of the left seat. Many people
have done this, but in my opinion the installations i've seen have all
looked like afterthoughts. The ones i've tried have all felt either too
loose or too tight, because of the extra hardware for the two systems.
> Can anyone give me a good reason for why the left seat is standard
> pilot seat??
Standard circuits are left-hand, so you are always on the side that can see
the airport. Not a problem in a military (tandem seating) airplane.
-Rob
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| Subject: | Right hand seat? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Don Hall" <dhall@donka.net>
I thought it was the brits that liked sitting on the wrong side. ;>
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alf Olav Frog
Subject: RV7-List: Right hand seat?
--> RV7-List message posted by: Alf Olav Frog <alfolavf@online.no>
Hello fellow-builders!
I live i Norway and am starting on the empennage on my RV-7A QB next week.
I'm considering building the cockpit so the right hand seat is the
pilot-seat.
That way I can have the right hand on the stick and the left on throttle and
prop-control. That suits and ex-fighterpilot better! hehe!
I have not decided on engine or instruments yet, but the inndodyn turbine
sure is interesting!
Fuelprice for 100L here in Norway now is approx 6 USD per gallon!
Jet A-1 is almost 1/3 of this...
Diesel is approx half...
I'm planning to fly both aerobatics and x-country so the Eggenfellner engine
is no option I guess??. (price for autofuel is approx the same as for
diesel)
Does any of you have built an RV-7 with the right hand seat as primary?
Will it be any big problems doing this?
For example have I ordered elec aileron and elevator trim and lighting
system nr 6 from Vans. Will this be ok or do I have to modify these sets to
fit the right hand seat?
Can anyone give me a good reason for why the left seat is standard pilot
seat??
Best regards Alf Olav Frog, a builder-to-be... :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Right hand seat? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: OneFighterPilot@aol.com
In a message dated 7/29/2005 12:42:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dhall@donka.net writes:
I'm considering building the cockpit so the right hand seat is the
pilot-seat.
That way I can have the right hand on the stick and the left on throttle and
prop-control. That suits and ex-fighterpilot better! hehe!
I am also an ex-fighter pilot. I decided to install a second throttle on
left siderail, and kept the original throttle all hooked up. Works great, can
fly from either seat now, with brakes on both sides too.
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| Subject: | Right hand seat? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Interesting, so if I understand correctly you left the mixture, prop,
and throttle in the middle and just added the second throttle?
How did you connect the throttles together?
I would love to do this method as I fly with the stick in my right
hand...no jokes please..:)
Frank
Cutting instrument panel, RV 7a
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[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
OneFighterPilot@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV7-List: Right hand seat?
--> RV7-List message posted by: OneFighterPilot@aol.com
In a message dated 7/29/2005 12:42:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dhall@donka.net writes:
I'm considering building the cockpit so the right hand seat is the
pilot-seat.
That way I can have the right hand on the stick and the left on
throttle and prop-control. That suits and ex-fighterpilot better! hehe!
I am also an ex-fighter pilot. I decided to install a second throttle
on left siderail, and kept the original throttle all hooked up. Works
great, can fly from either seat now, with brakes on both sides too.
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| Subject: | Right hand seat? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Whatch it...Im a brit..:), yes it works in cars and I thought I was
ambidextrous in going back and forth across the pond...Didn't quite work
so well when I tried swapping seats in a C152....Yup I crashed it!
Frank
RV7A
Do not archive
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[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Hall
Subject: RE: RV7-List: Right hand seat?
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Don Hall" <dhall@donka.net>
I thought it was the brits that liked sitting on the wrong side. ;>
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| Subject: | Re: Right hand seat? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: OneFighterPilot@aol.com
In a message dated 7/29/2005 3:23:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
frank.hinde@hp.com writes:
Interesting, so if I understand correctly you left the mixture, prop,
and throttle in the middle and just added the second throttle?
How did you connect the throttles together?
Yes, only throttle on left. Contact FBO guy here at Spruce Creek Fly-In for
pix via email, etc.
Paul Brevard at _SpruceCreekAir@BellSouth.net_
(mailto:SpruceCreekAir@BellSouth.net) He installed it, and both trottles work in unison just lovely.
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| Subject: | Re: Right hand seat? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: OneFighterPilot@aol.com
Hey, I spent a lot of years in the UK, and that comment did not come from
me. I love the Brits for many reasons, one of which is that they are usually
smarter than us here in America on a number of issues. Unfortunately, one of
them is not this frigging war.
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| Subject: | Re: Right hand seat? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "William J. Applegate" <bigapple@gct21.net>
Hi Alf,
At some very, very distant point in the future you will be transferring
ownership to someone else. I would not recommend building anything that
would lessen the appeal to the "new" owner. I am a retired Air Force
fighter pilot and now own an aircraft with two yokes and throttle, prop
and mixture controls located in the center of the panel. I had never
operated a prop before and was a little daunted by the concept, but it
all has been a non issue. I'm sure that flying from the left seat will
not be a problem for you. I would try to get a left seat ride with an
IP and check it out before I made the decision to fixate on a right seat
configuration.
Best regards.......Bill Applegate, Tucson, Arizona, USA
Alf Olav Frog wrote:
>--> RV7-List message posted by: Alf Olav Frog <alfolavf@online.no>
>
>Hello fellow-builders!
>
>I live i Norway and am starting on the empennage on my RV-7A QB next week.
>
>I'm considering building the cockpit so the right hand seat is the pilot-seat.
>That way I can have the right hand on the stick and the left on throttle and prop-control.
That suits and ex-fighterpilot better! hehe!
>
>I have not decided on engine or instruments yet, but the inndodyn turbine sure
is interesting!
>Fuelprice for 100L here in Norway now is approx 6 USD per gallon!
>Jet A-1 is almost 1/3 of this...
>Diesel is approx half...
>I'm planning to fly both aerobatics and x-country so the Eggenfellner engine is
no option I guess??. (price for autofuel is approx the same as for diesel)
>
>Does any of you have built an RV-7 with the right hand seat as primary?
>Will it be any big problems doing this?
>For example have I ordered elec aileron and elevator trim and lighting system
nr 6 from Vans. Will this be ok or do I have to modify these sets to fit the right
hand seat?
>
>Can anyone give me a good reason for why the left seat is standard pilot seat??
>
>Best regards Alf Olav Frog, a builder-to-be... :-)
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Right hand seat? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: OneFighterPilot@aol.com
In a message dated 7/29/2005 3:55:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
OneFighterPilot@aol.com writes:
Interesting, so if I understand correctly you left the mixture, prop,
and throttle in the middle and just added the second throttle?
How did you connect the throttles together?
Yes, only throttle on left. Contact FBO guy here at Spruce Creek Fly-In
for
pix via email, etc.
Paul Brevard at _SpruceCreekAir@BellSouth.net_
(mailto:SpruceCreekAir@BellSouth.net) He installed it, and both trottles
work in unison just lovely.
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| Subject: | 2 or 3 blade prop?? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Alf Olav Frog <alfolavf@online.no>
>
>
> Hello again!
>
> Thanks for all the inputs regarding the right hand seat! Great that there's a
forum like this for us who are living outside of the "action"!
>
> Since I got so good response on my first issue, here's another choice I've to
make: 2 or 3 blade prop?
>
> Ok, I know that the engine-choice is the first and biggest, but there I'm so
far looking into different options.... what IS decided however, is a CS-prop.
>
> When the engine-choice is made, I'll check out the producers opinon regarding
this, but what do you guys out there think??
> I was thinking that since I'm building a 7A, the distance to the ground from
the propellertips would be slightly greater (better) with a 3 blade since this
prop has a smaller diameter??
> Is there any big advantages or disadvantages with a 3 blade vs a 2 blade? (expect
for the price...)
> Is a 2 blade more efficient maybe??
>
>
>
> Best regards Alf Olav Frog
>
>
>
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