Today's Message Index:
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1. 07:35 AM - Re: Map Box (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
2. 08:10 AM - Re: Map Box (Norman Younie)
3. 08:13 AM - To the fighter pilots (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
4. 08:15 AM - Re: Right hand seat? (John Brunke)
5. 08:39 AM - Re: Map Box (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
6. 08:39 AM - Re: To the fighter pilots (OneFighterPilot@aol.com)
7. 08:44 AM - Re: To the fighter pilots (Norman Younie)
8. 08:49 AM - Re: Right hand seat? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
9. 08:55 AM - Re: To the fighter pilots (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
10. 09:20 AM - Re: To the fighter pilots (Norman Younie)
11. 10:02 AM - Re: To the fighter pilots (Dan Checkoway)
12. 10:23 AM - Re: To the fighter pilots (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
13. 10:34 AM - Re: 2 or 3 blade prop?? (Daniel Storer)
14. 10:48 AM - Re: To the fighter pilots (rv-9a-online)
15. 11:04 AM - Re: To the fighter pilots (Norman Younie)
16. 11:05 AM - Re: To the fighter pilots (Norman Younie)
17. 11:20 AM - Re: To the fighter pilots (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
18. 12:06 PM - Re: To the fighter pilots (Bradley Oliver)
19. 12:22 PM - Re: To the fighter pilots (Norman Younie)
20. 06:35 PM - Re: To the fighter pilots (Don Hall)
21. 08:45 PM - Re: To the fighter pilots (Jordan Grant)
22. 09:48 PM - Re: To the fighter pilots (Paul Pflimlin)
23. 11:03 PM - Re: 2 or 3 blade prop?? (B Tomm)
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--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
I did think of this and have seen a few designs that might be easy to
retrofit. At the moment I'm dealing with the Wife who is making deamnds
like...I want a headrest, little pouches for everything, comfy seats etc
etc.
Now all of this is reasonable if I want her to travel long distances in
this airplane..Trouble is I also know how building time goes exponential
for all but the simplest of deviations from the plans..
OK so has put a PX headrest in their RV7 tip up?..:)
Frank
Finished cutting out the instrument panel....Coool!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Imken
Subject: RE: RV7-List: Map Box
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Imken" <skikrazi@CenturyTel.net>
I built a map box and put it between the seats on my RV-7A tip
up.......something you may want to consider. With a flip over padded
top, it also serves as an arm rest for both pilot and passenger.
Chuck
N735RV
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--> RV7-List message posted by: Norman Younie <rv6capt@pacificcoast.net>
How are you going to get into the baggage area if you put in headrests??
Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
>I did think of this and have seen a few designs that might be easy to
>retrofit. At the moment I'm dealing with the Wife who is making deamnds
>like...I want a headrest, little pouches for everything, comfy seats etc
>etc.
>
>Now all of this is reasonable if I want her to travel long distances in
>this airplane..Trouble is I also know how building time goes exponential
>for all but the simplest of deviations from the plans..
>
>OK so has put a PX headrest in their RV7 tip up?..:)
>
>Frank
>Finished cutting out the instrument panel....Coool!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Imken
>To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV7-List: Map Box
>
>--> RV7-List message posted by: "Imken" <skikrazi@CenturyTel.net>
>
>I built a map box and put it between the seats on my RV-7A tip
>up.......something you may want to consider. With a flip over padded
>top, it also serves as an arm rest for both pilot and passenger.
>Chuck
>N735RV
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | To the fighter pilots |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
OK dumb question time...
What exactly is the appeal of an RV to an ex fighter pilot?....I mean
the RV's are fabulous to us ex spam can jockeys but I'm having a hard
time imagining why someone who has done aerobatics at 600mph for a
living would be interested in a measly 200mph on a good day...and spend
up to $100k getting there...
I mean are RV's really THAT good?...:)
Frank
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Right hand seat? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "John Brunke" <jwbrunk@attglobal.net>
Frank,
Would you mind going into some of the things you have found out about the
Innodyn engine that would not make it suitable for the RV? The simplicity
of parts and power for weight seem very promising.
John Brunke
St. Charles, IL
>
>" Forget the Innodyn, I been following it for months...Highly unlikely its
> going to work out."
>
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--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Believe me that argument is not lost on me...:)...When I used that
argument I got the following response.
1) Its only one headrest...(unless the pilot intends to take a nap with
the trutrack flying the plane)
2) We can always fold the seats forward.
In fairness to "she who must be obeyed" she does suffer from back pain
and its hard for her to sit for long periods in one position...Besides,
just about every shot of the copilot on X countries shows the PX firmly
asleep...Usually with their head almost hanging over the back of the
seat!
So I'm looking for a light weight board with a simple pad. My lovely
Wife did finally accept the super comfy headrest in her car with all its
adjustment features was not appropriate to an RV...Unless we just rip
the 60lb seat out of her car complete and have done with it of
course...:)
Frank
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Norman Younie
Subject: Re: RV7-List: Map Box
--> RV7-List message posted by: Norman Younie <rv6capt@pacificcoast.net>
How are you going to get into the baggage area if you put in headrests??
Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: To the fighter pilots |
--> RV7-List message posted by: OneFighterPilot@aol.com
In a message dated 8/1/2005 11:15:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
frank.hinde@hp.com writes:
What exactly is the appeal of an RV to an ex fighter pilot?....I mean
the RV's are fabulous to us ex spam can jockeys but I'm having a hard
time imagining why someone who has done aerobatics at 600mph for a
living would be interested in a measly 200mph on a good day...and spend
up to $100k getting there...
I mean are RV's really THAT good?...:)
VERY Good Point you make. I have nearly 5000 hours fighter time and hadn't
flown in about 25 years. So, being the romantic, I decided to get something
that looked neat, would pull Gs for gentleman's acro and get that old feeling
back-----that excitment, the rush. After 50 hours in my RV-6, I found out
that the RV just doesn't do it for me. It's for sale now, a beautiful bird
with fewer than 160 hours on it total time. You can't go home again, so to
speak, not in an RV.
Message 7
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| Subject: | Re: To the fighter pilots |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Norman Younie <rv6capt@pacificcoast.net>
Get into a 200 hp RV-8 and answer the question yourself. Or better yet
get into a F! Rocket.
Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> OK dumb question time...
>
>What exactly is the appeal of an RV to an ex fighter pilot?....I mean
>the RV's are fabulous to us ex spam can jockeys but I'm having a hard
>time imagining why someone who has done aerobatics at 600mph for a
>living would be interested in a measly 200mph on a good day...and spend
>up to $100k getting there...
>
>I mean are RV's really THAT good?...:)
>
>Frank
>
>Do not archive
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Right hand seat? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
There is an Innodyn "Yahoo groups" that has a number of informed
opinions...and a lot of hot air like any list..:)
Anyway, there are a few guys in there with actual design experience with
turbines and a number of high time jet pilots and flight engineers etc.
All of these folks are attracted to homebuilts with turbines because
they have been flying them for so long.
Anyway, the jist of the argument is there is now way a little turbine
with a single rotor with (I'm guessing a little) a 4:1 pressure ratio
will give anything like 7GPH for each 100HP.
Either the pressure ratio is much higher (like 14:1) not possible with a
single wheel or it doesn't make anywhere near the power they claim OR it
guzzles fuel at an eye watering rate!...Actually all turbines guzzle
fuel but they are suggesting this engine is more efficient than just
about any turbine out there.
Innodyn has been EXTREMLY evasive when repeatedly asked about fuel
consumption.
So there you have it..I know very little about turbines (except of
course like any patriotic Brit, it was invented by Sir Frank Whittle, a
noted Brit!)
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Brunke
Subject: Re: RV7-List: Right hand seat?
--> RV7-List message posted by: "John Brunke" <jwbrunk@attglobal.net>
Frank,
Would you mind going into some of the things you have found out about
the
Innodyn engine that would not make it suitable for the RV? The
simplicity
of parts and power for weight seem very promising.
John Brunke
St. Charles, IL
>
>" Forget the Innodyn, I been following it for months...Highly unlikely
>its going to work out."
>
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| Subject: | To the fighter pilots |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Ahh so you should have built a Harmon Rocket...:)
Frank
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
OneFighterPilot@aol.com
Subject: Re: RV7-List: To the fighter pilots
--> RV7-List message posted by: OneFighterPilot@aol.com
In a message dated 8/1/2005 11:15:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
frank.hinde@hp.com writes:
What exactly is the appeal of an RV to an ex fighter pilot?....I mean
the RV's are fabulous to us ex spam can jockeys but I'm having a hard
time imagining why someone who has done aerobatics at 600mph for a
living would be interested in a measly 200mph on a good day...and spend
up to $100k getting there...
I mean are RV's really THAT good?...:)
VERY Good Point you make. I have nearly 5000 hours fighter time and
hadn't flown in about 25 years. So, being the romantic, I decided to
get something that looked neat, would pull Gs for gentleman's acro and
get that old feeling back-----that excitment, the rush. After 50 hours
in my RV-6, I found out that the RV just doesn't do it for me. It's
for sale now, a beautiful bird with fewer than 160 hours on it total
time. You can't go home again, so to speak, not in an RV.
Message 10
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| Subject: | Re: To the fighter pilots |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Norman Younie <rv6capt@pacificcoast.net>
Yes I have built a F1 Rocket and there is nothing out there like it. It
will out climb and out roll the Extra 300.
Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
>Ahh so you should have built a Harmon Rocket...:)
>
>Frank
>
>Do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>OneFighterPilot@aol.com
>To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV7-List: To the fighter pilots
>
>--> RV7-List message posted by: OneFighterPilot@aol.com
>
>
>In a message dated 8/1/2005 11:15:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>frank.hinde@hp.com writes:
>
>
>What exactly is the appeal of an RV to an ex fighter pilot?....I mean
>the RV's are fabulous to us ex spam can jockeys but I'm having a hard
>time imagining why someone who has done aerobatics at 600mph for a
>living would be interested in a measly 200mph on a good day...and spend
>up to $100k getting there...
>
>I mean are RV's really THAT good?...:)
>
>
>VERY Good Point you make. I have nearly 5000 hours fighter time and
>hadn't flown in about 25 years. So, being the romantic, I decided to
>get something that looked neat, would pull Gs for gentleman's acro and
>get that old feeling back-----that excitment, the rush. After 50 hours
>in my RV-6, I found out that the RV just doesn't do it for me. It's
>for sale now, a beautiful bird with fewer than 160 hours on it total
>time. You can't go home again, so to speak, not in an RV.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: To the fighter pilots |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> Yes I have built a F1 Rocket and there is nothing out there like it. It
> will out climb and out roll the Extra 300.
Sounds fun.
What's your typical true airspeed in cruise, and at what fuel burn? How
about the cost of insurance?
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (578 hours)
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | To the fighter pilots |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
And how do you persuade the Wife you NEEED one?...:)
Frank
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway
Subject: Re: RV7-List: To the fighter pilots
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> Yes I have built a F1 Rocket and there is nothing out there like it.
> It will out climb and out roll the Extra 300.
Sounds fun.
What's your typical true airspeed in cruise, and at what fuel burn? How
about the cost of insurance?
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (578 hours)
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | 2 or 3 blade prop?? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Daniel Storer" <dstorer@OKWiFi.com>
Most folks that fly aerobatics in RV's prefer the Hartzell prop over the MT
for the CS response time ......just a thought for the selection criteria
Dan S.
OKC 7A Wings/Fuse
-------Original Message-------
From: Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)
Subject: RE: RV7-List: 2 or 3 blade prop??
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank
hinde@hp.com>
A bit controversial this one but from my desk research my conclusion was
the MT 3 blade prop reduced the speed of the airplane, but run smoother.
The Hartzell prop although heavy was not quite as fast as the fastest of
the bunch it's a lot cheaper. For me (highly personal decision) the
Hartzell was the best value for money and they seem to have resolved
their repair problems they were plagued with a few years ago....At least
I know of several examples oflate with high hours and no issues.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alf Olav Frog
Subject: RV7-List: 2 or 3 blade prop??
--> RV7-List message posted by: Alf Olav Frog <alfolavf@online.no>
>
>
> Hello again!
>
> Thanks for all the inputs regarding the right hand seat! Great that
there's a forum like this for us who are living outside of the "action"!
>
> Since I got so good response on my first issue, here's another choice
I've to make: 2 or 3 blade prop?
>
> Ok, I know that the engine-choice is the first and biggest, but there
I'm so far looking into different options.... what IS decided however,
is a CS-prop.
>
> When the engine-choice is made, I'll check out the producers opinon
regarding this, but what do you guys out there think??
> I was thinking that since I'm building a 7A, the distance to the
ground from the propellertips would be slightly greater (better) with a
3 blade since this prop has a smaller diameter??
> Is there any big advantages or disadvantages with a 3 blade vs a 2
> blade? (expect for the price...) Is a 2 blade more efficient maybe??
>
>
> Best regards Alf Olav Frog
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: To the fighter pilots |
--> RV7-List message posted by: rv-9a-online <rv-9a-online@telus.net>
Norm:
I was contacted by the local MD-RA rep, who is trying to locate any
local rocket builders. It appears that there is some confusion on the
51% approval up here.
Did you have any approval problems, and do you know anyone else in the
BC area who is building an F1 or Harmon Rocket? We all know Bryan Carr
of course. The MD-RA folks are anxious to get this clarified.
Thanks,
Vern Little
RV-9A
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Norman Younie wrote:
>--> RV7-List message posted by: Norman Younie <rv6capt@pacificcoast.net>
>
>Yes I have built a F1 Rocket and there is nothing out there like it. It
>will out climb and out roll the Extra 300.
>
>Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>>
>>Ahh so you should have built a Harmon Rocket...:)
>>
>>Frank
>>
>>Do not archive
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>OneFighterPilot@aol.com
>>To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RV7-List: To the fighter pilots
>>
>>--> RV7-List message posted by: OneFighterPilot@aol.com
>>
>>
>>In a message dated 8/1/2005 11:15:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>>frank.hinde@hp.com writes:
>>
>>
>>What exactly is the appeal of an RV to an ex fighter pilot?....I mean
>>the RV's are fabulous to us ex spam can jockeys but I'm having a hard
>>time imagining why someone who has done aerobatics at 600mph for a
>>living would be interested in a measly 200mph on a good day...and spend
>>up to $100k getting there...
>>
>>I mean are RV's really THAT good?...:)
>>
>>
>>VERY Good Point you make. I have nearly 5000 hours fighter time and
>>hadn't flown in about 25 years. So, being the romantic, I decided to
>>get something that looked neat, would pull Gs for gentleman's acro and
>>get that old feeling back-----that excitment, the rush. After 50 hours
>>in my RV-6, I found out that the RV just doesn't do it for me. It's
>>for sale now, a beautiful bird with fewer than 160 hours on it total
>>time. You can't go home again, so to speak, not in an RV.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: To the fighter pilots |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Norman Younie <rv6capt@pacificcoast.net>
Fuel burn 10.6 at 190kts economy cruise.
Dan Checkoway wrote:
>--> RV7-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>
>
>>Yes I have built a F1 Rocket and there is nothing out there like it. It
>>will out climb and out roll the Extra 300.
>>
>>
>
>Sounds fun.
>
>What's your typical true airspeed in cruise, and at what fuel burn? How
>about the cost of insurance?
>
>)_( Dan
>RV-7 N714D (578 hours)
>http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: To the fighter pilots |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Norman Younie <rv6capt@pacificcoast.net>
Now that is the $64,000 question. Tell her you can get to her parents
home faster for more visits. ha ha
Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
>And how do you persuade the Wife you NEEED one?...:)
>
>Frank
>
>Do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway
>To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV7-List: To the fighter pilots
>
>--> RV7-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>
>
>>Yes I have built a F1 Rocket and there is nothing out there like it.
>>It will out climb and out roll the Extra 300.
>>
>>
>
>Sounds fun.
>
>What's your typical true airspeed in cruise, and at what fuel burn? How
>about the cost of insurance?
>
>)_( Dan
>RV-7 N714D (578 hours)
>http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | To the fighter pilots |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Actually it was the $85,000 question (gulp) and I already used that
excuse to build the IFR RV7A...:)
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Norman Younie
Subject: Re: RV7-List: To the fighter pilots
--> RV7-List message posted by: Norman Younie <rv6capt@pacificcoast.net>
Now that is the $64,000 question. Tell her you can get to her parents
home faster for more visits. ha ha
Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
>--> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
>And how do you persuade the Wife you NEEED one?...:)
>
>Frank
>
>Do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway
>To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV7-List: To the fighter pilots
>
>--> RV7-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
>
>
>>Yes I have built a F1 Rocket and there is nothing out there like it.
>>It will out climb and out roll the Extra 300.
>>
>>
>
>Sounds fun.
>
>What's your typical true airspeed in cruise, and at what fuel burn?
>How about the cost of insurance?
>
>)_( Dan
>RV-7 N714D (578 hours)
>http://www.rvproject.com
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | To the fighter pilots |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Bradley Oliver" <brad@rv7factory.com>
Out roll an Extra 300? I guess I would have to experience it to believe.
Ok, which one of you Rocket owners wants to take me for a ride? ;-)
Brad
RV-7 Livermore, CA
www.rv7factory.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Norman Younie
Subject: Re: RV7-List: To the fighter pilots
--> RV7-List message posted by: Norman Younie <rv6capt@pacificcoast.net>
Yes I have built a F1 Rocket and there is nothing out there like it. It
will out climb and out roll the Extra 300.
Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
<frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
>Ahh so you should have built a Harmon Rocket...:)
>
>Frank
>
>Do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>OneFighterPilot@aol.com
>To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV7-List: To the fighter pilots
>
>--> RV7-List message posted by: OneFighterPilot@aol.com
>
>
>In a message dated 8/1/2005 11:15:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>frank.hinde@hp.com writes:
>
>
>What exactly is the appeal of an RV to an ex fighter pilot?....I mean
>the RV's are fabulous to us ex spam can jockeys but I'm having a hard
>time imagining why someone who has done aerobatics at 600mph for a
>living would be interested in a measly 200mph on a good day...and spend
>up to $100k getting there...
>
>I mean are RV's really THAT good?...:)
>
>
>VERY Good Point you make. I have nearly 5000 hours fighter time and
>hadn't flown in about 25 years. So, being the romantic, I decided to
>get something that looked neat, would pull Gs for gentleman's acro and
>get that old feeling back-----that excitment, the rush. After 50 hours
>in my RV-6, I found out that the RV just doesn't do it for me. It's
>for sale now, a beautiful bird with fewer than 160 hours on it total
>time. You can't go home again, so to speak, not in an RV.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: To the fighter pilots |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Norman Younie <rv6capt@pacificcoast.net>
I don't know any other builders of a F1 Rocket here in BC. I had no
troubles. Contact Tom Martin in Ontario. I don't know his email address
but he has built 5 or 6 of them and he has never mentioned having any
problems.
rv-9a-online wrote:
>--> RV7-List message posted by: rv-9a-online <rv-9a-online@telus.net>
>
>Norm:
>
>I was contacted by the local MD-RA rep, who is trying to locate any
>local rocket builders. It appears that there is some confusion on the
>51% approval up here.
>
>Did you have any approval problems, and do you know anyone else in the
>BC area who is building an F1 or Harmon Rocket? We all know Bryan Carr
>of course. The MD-RA folks are anxious to get this clarified.
>
>Thanks,
>Vern Little
>RV-9A
>
>do not archive
>
>
>Norman Younie wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> RV7-List message posted by: Norman Younie <rv6capt@pacificcoast.net>
>>
>>Yes I have built a F1 Rocket and there is nothing out there like it. It
>>will out climb and out roll the Extra 300.
>>
>>Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>>>
>>>Ahh so you should have built a Harmon Rocket...:)
>>>
>>>Frank
>>>
>>>Do not archive
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
>>>[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>>OneFighterPilot@aol.com
>>>To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: Re: RV7-List: To the fighter pilots
>>>
>>>--> RV7-List message posted by: OneFighterPilot@aol.com
>>>
>>>
>>>In a message dated 8/1/2005 11:15:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>>>frank.hinde@hp.com writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>What exactly is the appeal of an RV to an ex fighter pilot?....I mean
>>>the RV's are fabulous to us ex spam can jockeys but I'm having a hard
>>>time imagining why someone who has done aerobatics at 600mph for a
>>>living would be interested in a measly 200mph on a good day...and spend
>>>up to $100k getting there...
>>>
>>>I mean are RV's really THAT good?...:)
>>>
>>>
>>>VERY Good Point you make. I have nearly 5000 hours fighter time and
>>>hadn't flown in about 25 years. So, being the romantic, I decided to
>>>get something that looked neat, would pull Gs for gentleman's acro and
>>>get that old feeling back-----that excitment, the rush. After 50 hours
>>>in my RV-6, I found out that the RV just doesn't do it for me. It's
>>>for sale now, a beautiful bird with fewer than 160 hours on it total
>>>time. You can't go home again, so to speak, not in an RV.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | To the fighter pilots |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Don Hall" <dhall@donka.net>
An RV7 is an 'eierlegende wolmilchsau' of an airplane. That's a fabulous
German marketing term meaning one product that is proclaimed to do it all.
So if you can't afford a used Mig, King Air, and bush plane, you have to
find a plane that fits what you think the majority of your missions will
require. The RV7 may not be a great plane for any specific mission, but
does it allow you to meet most of your flying needs? That's a personal
question.
Also, if you like formation flying and you can afford a MiG or even a
jet-trainer like the L39, you might get like 1 other person who you can go
formation flying with every other month or two if you're lucky.
They had a great article in a recent EAA magazine about an active F16
squadron at Maxwell AFB that fly RV-4's in their free time. Yaks and CJ's
are also very affordable and there are decent number of ex-fighter pilots
flying those on a regular basis. That might be an option for you. They are
slower than your average RV, but they have that military look and feel with
the smells and sounds of a radial.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hinde, Frank
George (Corvallis)
Subject: RV7-List: To the fighter pilots
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
--> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
OK dumb question time...
What exactly is the appeal of an RV to an ex fighter pilot?....I mean the
RV's are fabulous to us ex spam can jockeys but I'm having a hard time
imagining why someone who has done aerobatics at 600mph for a living would
be interested in a measly 200mph on a good day...and spend up to $100k
getting there...
I mean are RV's really THAT good?...:)
Frank
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: To the fighter pilots |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Jordan Grant <gra9933@bellsouth.net>
Frank:
I am an F-15E Strike Eagle pilot, and damn proud of it.
I also have an RV-6 project that I've been working on for almost 7
years.
While there is nothing quite like flying at 540 knots and 500 feet
(in the dark, wearing NVGs, dropping bombs), I can't wait to fly my RV.
Here's my top ten reasons that flying RVs can be better than flying
fighters:
1) I don't have to brief for 2 hours and debrief for 4 hours to fly my
RV for 1 hour.
2) I can fly my RV wearing shorts and a T-shirt.
3) I don't have to wear 40 pounds of life support equipment to fly my RV.
4) I don't have to have permission from the government every time I want
to fly my RV (yet).
5) I can take my friends and family flying with me.
6) I can go cross country wherever I want to.
7) I can do a loop in much less than 10000 feet.
8) I don't need 8000 feet of runway. I don't even need paved runway!
9) I can fly to Mexico without causing an international incident.
10) Two words: VFR!!!!
I love my F-15E, too, mind you.
Capt Jordan "Gadget" Grant
336th Fighter Squadron
World Famous Flying Fighting Rocketeers
Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> OK dumb question time...
>
>What exactly is the appeal of an RV to an ex fighter pilot?....I mean
>the RV's are fabulous to us ex spam can jockeys but I'm having a hard
>time imagining why someone who has done aerobatics at 600mph for a
>living would be interested in a measly 200mph on a good day...and spend
>up to $100k getting there...
>
>I mean are RV's really THAT good?...:)
>
>Frank
>
>Do not archive
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: To the fighter pilots |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Paul Pflimlin" <pablo@phonewave.net>
Speed is relative!! 150 MPH is damn fast at ten feet above terrain or
water. Mach 1 or more, is just like floating in a balloon at Angels 30 and
that's where fighter pilots do their aerobatics. 4 G's is 4 G's at Mach 1
or 150 MPH. A Piper cub or a fully loaded C-47 landing with a 25 MPH 90o x
wind is real exciting. An A-6 Intruder flying nap of the earth at night
is exciting. Aerobatics in an RV or Citabria are both fun and exciting.
Aviation; wheather flying a TD a Helo a seaplane or night LDGs on a
Carrier are full of fun and thrills. After more than 50 years of doing it
you never get tired, at least I never have.
----- Original Message -----
From: <OneFighterPilot@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV7-List: To the fighter pilots
> --> RV7-List message posted by: OneFighterPilot@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 8/1/2005 11:15:00 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> frank.hinde@hp.com writes:
>
>
> What exactly is the appeal of an RV to an ex fighter pilot?....I mean
> the RV's are fabulous to us ex spam can jockeys but I'm having a hard
> time imagining why someone who has done aerobatics at 600mph for a
> living would be interested in a measly 200mph on a good day...and spend
> up to $100k getting there...
>
> I mean are RV's really THAT good?...:)
>
>
> VERY Good Point you make. I have nearly 5000 hours fighter time and
> hadn't
> flown in about 25 years. So, being the romantic, I decided to get
> something
> that looked neat, would pull Gs for gentleman's acro and get that old
> feeling
> back-----that excitment, the rush. After 50 hours in my RV-6, I found
> out
> that the RV just doesn't do it for me. It's for sale now, a beautiful
> bird
> with fewer than 160 hours on it total time. You can't go home again, so
> to
> speak, not in an RV.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 2 or 3 blade prop?? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "B Tomm" <fvalarm@rapidnet.net>
Doesn't the hydraulic CS MT uses the same governor as the Hartzell? If so
why would the speed of change differ? I know the electrically control CS MT
is slower but on a Lyc it could be the governor. Am I wrong here?
Bevan
RV7A fuse
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Storer
Subject: RE: RV7-List: 2 or 3 blade prop??
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Daniel Storer" <dstorer@OKWiFi.com>
Most folks that fly aerobatics in RV's prefer the Hartzell prop over the MT
for the CS response time ......just a thought for the selection criteria
Dan S.
OKC 7A Wings/Fuse
-------Original Message-------
From: Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)
Subject: RE: RV7-List: 2 or 3 blade prop??
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank
hinde@hp.com>
A bit controversial this one but from my desk research my conclusion was the
MT 3 blade prop reduced the speed of the airplane, but run smoother.
The Hartzell prop although heavy was not quite as fast as the fastest of the
bunch it's a lot cheaper. For me (highly personal decision) the Hartzell was
the best value for money and they seem to have resolved their repair
problems they were plagued with a few years ago....At least I know of
several examples oflate with high hours and no issues.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alf Olav Frog
Subject: RV7-List: 2 or 3 blade prop??
--> RV7-List message posted by: Alf Olav Frog <alfolavf@online.no>
>
>
> Hello again!
>
> Thanks for all the inputs regarding the right hand seat! Great that
there's a forum like this for us who are living outside of the "action"!
>
> Since I got so good response on my first issue, here's another choice
I've to make: 2 or 3 blade prop?
>
> Ok, I know that the engine-choice is the first and biggest, but there
I'm so far looking into different options.... what IS decided however, is a
CS-prop.
>
> When the engine-choice is made, I'll check out the producers opinon
regarding this, but what do you guys out there think??
> I was thinking that since I'm building a 7A, the distance to the
ground from the propellertips would be slightly greater (better) with a
3 blade since this prop has a smaller diameter??
> Is there any big advantages or disadvantages with a 3 blade vs a 2
> blade? (expect for the price...) Is a 2 blade more efficient maybe??
>
>
> Best regards Alf Olav Frog
>
>
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