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1. 12:07 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (dralle@matronics.com)
2. 02:59 AM - Re: To the fighter pilots (OneFighterPilot@aol.com)
3. 06:13 AM - Re: that blue stuff (Phil Birkelbach)
4. 07:58 AM - Re: Headrest (Was: Map Box) (Phil Birkelbach)
5. 08:15 AM - Re: Headrest (Was: Map Box) (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
6. 04:31 PM - SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Re: 2 or 3 blade prop?? (Francis, David CMDR)
7. 06:39 PM - Re: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Re: 2 or 3 blade prop?? (Mark Taylor)
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| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
DNA: do not archive
--> RV7-List message posted by: dralle@matronics.com
Dear Lister,
Please read over the RV7-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV7-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV7-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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RV7-List Usage Guidelines
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Failure to use the RV7-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
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| Subject: | Re: To the fighter pilots |
--> RV7-List message posted by: OneFighterPilot@aol.com
In a message dated 8/1/2005 9:36:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dhall@donka.net writes:
Also, if you like formation flying and you can afford a MiG or even a
jet-trainer like the L39, you might get like 1 other person who you can go
formation flying with every other month or two if you're lucky.
Here at Spruce Creek Fly-In there are over 20 RVs either flying or
abuilding. Every Saturday they and other aircraft have "gaggles", formation flights
out to breakfast somewhere or just playing in the local area-----some of the
damndest formations you have ever seen. And some can really fly. The rest
are " Navy pukes"-----Navy formation is two or more acft going in about the
same direction at about the same time at about the same airspeed and altitude.
(That's my AF humor, sorry) Personally, I opted out of that aspect. Over 20
years of formation was enough for me. Occassionally, we see a flight for
four Stearmans, Bonanzas, all manner of acft flying formation. You have to go
where its "at".
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| Subject: | Re: that blue stuff |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Phil Birkelbach <phil@petrasoft.net>
I just took all mine off, after 2-3 years. The blue stuff and the clear
stuff as easy as it was when new, but I had a couple of wing panels that
had the white stuff, and it was a bear. It got really brittle and came
off in really small pieces.
Godspeed,
Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
RV-7 N727WB - Finishing Up
http://www.myrv7.com
Don Hall wrote:
>--> RV7-List message posted by: "Don Hall" <dhall@donka.net>
>
>I want to leave the protective blue film on my finished surfaces till it's
>absolutely necessary to remove it. So that could be 2-3 years for the blue
>film on all the finished tail feathers. I understand there is a chance that
>the adhesive gets old, stickier, and harder to remove. Anybody experienced
>that?
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Headrest (Was: Map Box) |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Phil Birkelbach <phil@petrasoft.net>
Put some thought into the crashworthiness of the thing. You don't want
to create any projectiles that are at head level. Also keep in mind
that this is something that can be added AFTER you get the thing
flying. She can't go with you for the first 25-40 hours anyway.
Godspeed,
Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
RV-7 N727WB - Finishing Up
http://www.myrv7.com
Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
>Believe me that argument is not lost on me...:)...When I used that
>argument I got the following response.
>
>1) Its only one headrest...(unless the pilot intends to take a nap with
>the trutrack flying the plane)
>2) We can always fold the seats forward.
>
>In fairness to "she who must be obeyed" she does suffer from back pain
>and its hard for her to sit for long periods in one position...Besides,
>just about every shot of the copilot on X countries shows the PX firmly
>asleep...Usually with their head almost hanging over the back of the
>seat!
>
>So I'm looking for a light weight board with a simple pad. My lovely
>Wife did finally accept the super comfy headrest in her car with all its
>adjustment features was not appropriate to an RV...Unless we just rip
>the 60lb seat out of her car complete and have done with it of
>course...:)
>
>Frank
>
>Do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Norman Younie
>To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV7-List: Map Box
>
>--> RV7-List message posted by: Norman Younie <rv6capt@pacificcoast.net>
>
>How are you going to get into the baggage area if you put in headrests??
>
>Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Headrest (Was: Map Box) |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Good point Phil,
I guess I was trying to understand how the upholstery works...If I end
up with a seat cushion that simply velcros or straps to the seat backs
then as you say I can mess with it later.
Thanks
Frank
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Phil
Birkelbach
Subject: Re: RV7-List: Headrest (Was: Map Box)
--> RV7-List message posted by: Phil Birkelbach <phil@petrasoft.net>
Put some thought into the crashworthiness of the thing. You don't want
to create any projectiles that are at head level. Also keep in mind
that this is something that can be added AFTER you get the thing
flying. She can't go with you for the first 25-40 hours anyway.
Godspeed,
Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
RV-7 N727WB - Finishing Up
http://www.myrv7.com
Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
>--> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
>Believe me that argument is not lost on me...:)...When I used that
>argument I got the following response.
>
>1) Its only one headrest...(unless the pilot intends to take a nap with
>the trutrack flying the plane)
>2) We can always fold the seats forward.
>
>In fairness to "she who must be obeyed" she does suffer from back pain
>and its hard for her to sit for long periods in one position...Besides,
>just about every shot of the copilot on X countries shows the PX firmly
>asleep...Usually with their head almost hanging over the back of the
>seat!
>
>So I'm looking for a light weight board with a simple pad. My lovely
>Wife did finally accept the super comfy headrest in her car with all
>its adjustment features was not appropriate to an RV...Unless we just
>rip the 60lb seat out of her car complete and have done with it of
>course...:)
>
>Frank
>
>Do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Norman Younie
>To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV7-List: Map Box
>
>--> RV7-List message posted by: Norman Younie
>--> <rv6capt@pacificcoast.net>
>
>How are you going to get into the baggage area if you put in
headrests??
>
>Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis) wrote:
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 2 or 3 blade prop?? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Francis, David CMDR" <David.Francis@defence.gov.au>
The speed of pitch change tends to be dominated by the response rate of the governor.
As I understand it the MT governor, which is in fact a rebadged Johstroj
product (according to the data plate on mine)has the fastest response rate because
it has the smallest and lightest counterweights.
Regards,
David A Francis
VH-ZEE
Canberra, Australia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com]
Subject: RE: RV7-List: 2 or 3 blade prop??
--> RV7-List message posted by: "B Tomm" <fvalarm@rapidnet.net>
Doesn't the hydraulic CS MT uses the same governor as the Hartzell? If so
why would the speed of change differ? I know the electrically control CS MT
is slower but on a Lyc it could be the governor. Am I wrong here?
Bevan
RV7A fuse
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Storer
Subject: RE: RV7-List: 2 or 3 blade prop??
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Daniel Storer" <dstorer@OKWiFi.com>
Most folks that fly aerobatics in RV's prefer the Hartzell prop over the MT
for the CS response time ......just a thought for the selection criteria
Dan S.
OKC 7A Wings/Fuse
-------Original Message-------
From: Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)
Subject: RE: RV7-List: 2 or 3 blade prop??
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank
hinde@hp.com>
A bit controversial this one but from my desk research my conclusion was the
MT 3 blade prop reduced the speed of the airplane, but run smoother.
The Hartzell prop although heavy was not quite as fast as the fastest of the
bunch it's a lot cheaper. For me (highly personal decision) the Hartzell was
the best value for money and they seem to have resolved their repair
problems they were plagued with a few years ago....At least I know of
several examples oflate with high hours and no issues.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alf Olav Frog
Subject: RV7-List: 2 or 3 blade prop??
--> RV7-List message posted by: Alf Olav Frog <alfolavf@online.no>
>
>
> Hello again!
>
> Thanks for all the inputs regarding the right hand seat! Great that
there's a forum like this for us who are living outside of the "action"!
>
> Since I got so good response on my first issue, here's another choice
I've to make: 2 or 3 blade prop?
>
> Ok, I know that the engine-choice is the first and biggest, but there
I'm so far looking into different options.... what IS decided however, is a
CS-prop.
>
> When the engine-choice is made, I'll check out the producers opinon
regarding this, but what do you guys out there think??
> I was thinking that since I'm building a 7A, the distance to the
ground from the propellertips would be slightly greater (better) with a
3 blade since this prop has a smaller diameter??
> Is there any big advantages or disadvantages with a 3 blade vs a 2
> blade? (expect for the price...) Is a 2 blade more efficient maybe??
>
>
> Best regards Alf Olav Frog
>
>
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| Subject: | 2 or 3 blade prop?? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Mark Taylor" <mtaylo17@msn.com>
MT & Johistroj used to be the same governor. It was developed by the two
companies to be sold as an MT unit, but when Johistroj started selling it
under their own name behind MT's back, MT broke ties with them and continued
development of the governor on their own. Now MT's governor is a little
different than the Johistroj. Not sure when all this happened, but it
must've been fairly recently. Reason I know this is I just ordered my prop
at Oshkosh, and I spoke with the MT guy Eric about this. I asked about the
governor specifically, and this was what he told me. Anyways, I ordered the
whole package. Chrome spinner and all.
Mark
www.4sierratango.com
>From: "Francis, David CMDR" <David.Francis@defence.gov.au>
>Reply-To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv7-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: SEC: UNCLASSIFIED RE: RV7-List: 2 or 3 blade prop??
>Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:11:41 +1000
>
>--> RV7-List message posted by: "Francis, David CMDR"
><David.Francis@defence.gov.au>
>
>The speed of pitch change tends to be dominated by the response rate of the
>governor. As I understand it the MT governor, which is in fact a rebadged
>Johstroj product (according to the data plate on mine)has the fastest
>response rate because it has the smallest and lightest counterweights.
>
>Regards,
>David A Francis
>VH-ZEE
>Canberra, Australia
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com]
>To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV7-List: 2 or 3 blade prop??
>
>
>--> RV7-List message posted by: "B Tomm" <fvalarm@rapidnet.net>
>
>Doesn't the hydraulic CS MT uses the same governor as the Hartzell? If so
>why would the speed of change differ? I know the electrically control CS
>MT
>is slower but on a Lyc it could be the governor. Am I wrong here?
>
>Bevan
>RV7A fuse
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Storer
>To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV7-List: 2 or 3 blade prop??
>
>--> RV7-List message posted by: "Daniel Storer" <dstorer@OKWiFi.com>
>
>Most folks that fly aerobatics in RV's prefer the Hartzell prop over the MT
>for the CS response time ......just a thought for the selection criteria
>
>Dan S.
>OKC 7A Wings/Fuse
>
>-------Original Message-------
>
>From: Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)
>Date: 07/31/05 11:30:13
>To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV7-List: 2 or 3 blade prop??
>
>--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank
>hinde@hp.com>
>
>A bit controversial this one but from my desk research my conclusion was
>the
>MT 3 blade prop reduced the speed of the airplane, but run smoother.
>The Hartzell prop although heavy was not quite as fast as the fastest of
>the
>bunch it's a lot cheaper. For me (highly personal decision) the Hartzell
>was
>the best value for money and they seem to have resolved their repair
>problems they were plagued with a few years ago....At least I know of
>several examples oflate with high hours and no issues.
>
>Frank
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alf Olav Frog
>To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV7-List: 2 or 3 blade prop??
>
>--> RV7-List message posted by: Alf Olav Frog <alfolavf@online.no>
>
>
> >
> >
> > Hello again!
> >
> > Thanks for all the inputs regarding the right hand seat! Great that
>there's a forum like this for us who are living outside of the "action"!
> >
> > Since I got so good response on my first issue, here's another choice
>I've to make: 2 or 3 blade prop?
> >
> > Ok, I know that the engine-choice is the first and biggest, but there
>I'm so far looking into different options.... what IS decided however, is a
>CS-prop.
> >
> > When the engine-choice is made, I'll check out the producers opinon
>regarding this, but what do you guys out there think??
> > I was thinking that since I'm building a 7A, the distance to the
>ground from the propellertips would be slightly greater (better) with a
>3 blade since this prop has a smaller diameter??
> > Is there any big advantages or disadvantages with a 3 blade vs a 2
> > blade? (expect for the price...) Is a 2 blade more efficient maybe??
> >
> >
> > Best regards Alf Olav Frog
> >
> >
>
>
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