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1. 04:20 AM - Re: Interior thoughts.. (Jamie Painter)
2. 06:58 AM - Re: Interior thoughts.. (Richard E. Tasker)
3. 03:17 PM - Rudder Skin Question (Scott R. Shook)
4. 03:18 PM - Wing tip modification (Daniel Storer)
5. 03:52 PM - Re: Rudder Skin Question (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
6. 03:56 PM - Storage mods (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
7. 03:58 PM - Re: Rudder Skin Question (Gerry Filby)
8. 04:34 PM - (Matt Dralle)
9. 04:48 PM - Re: Rudder Skin Question (Dan Checkoway)
10. 05:22 PM - Re: Rudder Skin Question (Gerry Filby)
11. 06:23 PM - Re: Rudder Skin Question (Scott R. Shook)
12. 06:44 PM - SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Re: Rudder Skin Question (Francis, David CMDR)
13. 07:39 PM - Re: Rudder Skin Question (Dave Nellis)
14. 07:40 PM - Re: Rudder Skin Question (Mark Grieve)
15. 10:10 PM - Re: Rudder Skin Question (Bradley Oliver)
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| Subject: | Re: Interior thoughts.. |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Jamie Painter <jamie@jpainter.org>
Well, for those of us that don't like chemicals and spray guns, Abby's
interior kit looks like a great way to get out of painting almost every
piece of the interior.
- Jamie
RV-7A Forward Fuselage
http://rv.jpainter.org
sportypilot@stx.rr.com wrote:
>--> RV7-List message posted by: sportypilot@stx.rr.com
>
>Yes I have the same package with some extras added (abby is awesome to
>work with)
>and the quality / price can't be beat.. you won't be disapointed..
>
>Danny..
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Gerry Filby <gerf@gerf.com>
>Date: Monday, August 8, 2005 6:56 pm
>Subject: RE: RV7-List: Interior thoughts..
>
>
>
>>--> RV7-List message posted by: Gerry Filby <gerf@gerf.com>
>>
>>
>>Hey Folks,
>>
>>This sounds like an interesting package to me too - somewhere
>>along the line I missed the URL of the supplier - could you
>>repost it ?
>>
>>Many thanks,
>>
>>g
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>>>--> RV7-List message posted by: "Bill Schlatterer"
>>><billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net>
>>>
>>>Frank, it gets you 37 individually custom cut pieces that fit
>>>perfectly. It
>>>includes the carpet also cut and the floor insulation as well
>>>as a firewall
>>>blanket. It was worth it to me. I think the rear baggage wall
>>>cover and
>>>baggage area cover is included as well. Talk to Abby, you
>>>won't be sorry.
>>>
>>>Bill S
>>>7a Ark fuse panel
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
>>>[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Hinde,
>>>
>>>
>>Frank> George (Corvallis)
>>
>>
>>>To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>>>Subject: RE: RV7-List: Interior thoughts..
>>>
>>>
>>>--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
>>><frank.hinde@hp.com>
>>>
>>>Speaking of which, I like the idea of not painting the interior
>>>
>>>
>>so...>
>>
>>
>>>I was looking at the Fliteline Interiors interior kit for $600.
>>>
>>>
>>I was
>>
>>
>>>having a hard time understanding what I got for the money. I
>>>
>>>
>>mean it
>>
>>
>>>"looks" like a big sheet of fabric that you cut to suit....I
>>>
>>>
>>note from
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>>
>>>GBI they offer a "big sheet of fabric" for $75.
>>>
>>>Anyone know what the extra $525 buys me?...
>>>
>>>The Side panels are awesome. The airplane on the website belongs
>>>
>>>
>>to a
>>
>>
>>>friend of mine and they are sweet....But for a thousand bucks
>>>
>>>
>>for two
>>
>>
>>>side panels they are too rich for my taste.
>>>
>>>Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>__g__
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>>==========================================================
>>Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com
>> Tel: 415 203 9177
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| Subject: | Re: Interior thoughts.. |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Richard E. Tasker" <retasker@optonline.net>
You do have to paint the triangular piece of the upper inside fuselage
just forward of the baggage bulkhead (where the stiffeners are) :-) .
Dick Tasker
do not archive
Jamie Painter wrote:
>--> RV7-List message posted by: Jamie Painter <jamie@jpainter.org>
>
>Well, for those of us that don't like chemicals and spray guns, Abby's
>interior kit looks like a great way to get out of painting almost every
>piece of the interior.
>
> - Jamie
>
>RV-7A Forward Fuselage
>http://rv.jpainter.org
>
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| Subject: | Rudder Skin Question |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Scott R. Shook" <sshook@cox.net>
We are getting to the point that we are ready to rivet on the rudder skin
and there is nothing really indicating whether the R901L & R go over or
under the counter-balance skin. To me logic would suggest that the counter
balance skin goes on top but in the drawings it looks like the rudder skin
goes on top pointing into the wind.
I know it sounds like a simple question; I just want to make sure it is
right. Any experienced builders care to comment?
Thanks,
Scott
(Rudder ready to close out - wing kit still collecting dust)
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| Subject: | Wing tip modification |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Daniel Storer" <dstorer@OKWiFi.com>
Has any one modified their wing tips for light storage? I remember seeing
this a few years ago at Oshkosh, and from what I remember it looked like
they cut a rectangle in the top with a hinge and lock. Does any one have
picture or pro's and con's stories? Looks like a good place to stow a
canopy cover and stuff like that....
Thanks,
Dan S.
Oklahoma City
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| Subject: | Rudder Skin Question |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Rudder skin goes on top of the counter balance skin...Taper the edge of
the rudder skin to give a smooth transition
Frank
RV 7a
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott R. Shook
Subject: RV7-List: Rudder Skin Question
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Scott R. Shook" <sshook@cox.net>
We are getting to the point that we are ready to rivet on the rudder
skin and there is nothing really indicating whether the R901L & R go
over or under the counter-balance skin. To me logic would suggest that
the counter balance skin goes on top but in the drawings it looks like
the rudder skin goes on top pointing into the wind.
I know it sounds like a simple question; I just want to make sure it is
right. Any experienced builders care to comment?
Thanks,
Scott
(Rudder ready to close out - wing kit still collecting dust)
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--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
And how about this idea....
Even with an IFR stack my space between the sub panel and firwall will
be almost completly empty. A lot of builders have cut access holes in
the top skin either side of the central stiffner. Looks to me like a lot
of space where a small locker could be fabricated. In the right place
from a W&B perspective too.
Sounds whacky but it looks doable and when your camping you always need
a little more space for hiking boots, food items, kitchen sink etc.
Frank
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Skin Question |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Gerry Filby <gerf@gerf.com>
Definitely on top - you want overlapping edges pointing aft -
unless you're planning on flying backwads ;-)
g
>
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "Scott R. Shook" <sshook@cox.net>
>
> We are getting to the point that we are ready to rivet on the
> rudder skin
> and there is nothing really indicating whether the R901L & R go over or
> under the counter-balance skin. To me logic would suggest that
> the counter
> balance skin goes on top but in the drawings it looks like the
> rudder skin
> goes on top pointing into the wind.
>
> I know it sounds like a simple question; I just want to make sure it is
> right. Any experienced builders care to comment?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott
> (Rudder ready to close out - wing kit still collecting dust)
>
>
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Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com
Tel: 415 203 9177
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rv7-list@matronics.com, rv8-list@matronics.com, rv9-list@matronics.com,
--> RV7-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Listers,
Gary VanRemortel just sent me an update to the RV Yeller Pages and it
can be found here:
http://www.matronics.com/YellerPages/
Thanks Gary!!
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Admin.
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Skin Question |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> Definitely on top - you want overlapping edges pointing aft -
> unless you're planning on flying backwads ;-)
Actually, the configuration where the gap faces *forward* apparently
produces less drag!
That said, my gaps face aft. I do know of one RV-6 with all gaps facing
forward, though.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Skin Question |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Gerry Filby <gerf@gerf.com>
Wow, that does surprise me - can any of you aeronautical
engineers enlighten on how this works ? I'm pretty sure the
ailerons on the 9 have the counterbalance skins on top - at
least mine do :-))
I was also thinking of bugs, liquids and the like being drawn
into the interior, although it is protected somewhat by the
flight surface its hinged on.
g
>
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> > Definitely on top - you want overlapping edges pointing aft -
> > unless you're planning on flying backwads ;-)
>
> Actually, the configuration where the gap faces *forward* apparently
> produces less drag!
>
> That said, my gaps face aft. I do know of one RV-6 with all gaps facing
> forward, though.
>
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D
> http://www.rvproject.com
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Tel: 415 203 9177
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| Subject: | Rudder Skin Question |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Scott R. Shook" <sshook@cox.net>
I asked because in drawing 7 of the rudder, the counterbalance skin is drawn
with broken lines (that would put the gap facing forward and the rudder skin
is overlapping the counter balance skin). From my H.S. mechanical drawing
class I recall broken lines indicate that things are hidden.
That's why I was confused.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway
Subject: Re: RV7-List: Rudder Skin Question
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> Definitely on top - you want overlapping edges pointing aft -
> unless you're planning on flying backwads ;-)
Actually, the configuration where the gap faces *forward* apparently
produces less drag!
That said, my gaps face aft. I do know of one RV-6 with all gaps facing
forward, though.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Rudder Skin Question |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Francis, David CMDR" <David.Francis@defence.gov.au>
Scott,
I suspect that the main reason overlaps should face aft is that the slipstream
will blast rain into the overlap causing corrosion in the longer run.
At our speeds I suspect the aerodynamic effects are a secondary consideration.
In the case of the ailerons, I suspect the forward facing overlap is to ease construction.
Note that the trailing edge finish on RV ailerons is critical to
sweet handling and I suspect Van wants to avoid a riveted trailing aileron edge
at all costs. Obviously the rudder trailing edge is not as critical to rudder
effectiveness.
Just a lateral thought, David Francis, Canberra, Australia.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com]
Subject: RE: RV7-List: Rudder Skin Question
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Scott R. Shook" <sshook@cox.net>
I asked because in drawing 7 of the rudder, the counterbalance skin is drawn
with broken lines (that would put the gap facing forward and the rudder skin
is overlapping the counter balance skin). From my H.S. mechanical drawing
class I recall broken lines indicate that things are hidden.
That's why I was confused.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway
Subject: Re: RV7-List: Rudder Skin Question
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
> Definitely on top - you want overlapping edges pointing aft -
> unless you're planning on flying backwads ;-)
Actually, the configuration where the gap faces *forward* apparently
produces less drag!
That said, my gaps face aft. I do know of one RV-6 with all gaps facing
forward, though.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Skin Question |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Dave Nellis <truflite@yahoo.com>
Check your rudder drawing in section G-10. There are
notes there referring to bevelling the outside of the
skin to make a smooth transition for the rudder skin.
I beveled the inside to hide any errant scratches.
The rudder skin then goes over the counterbalance
skin. Bass ackwards, but the way Van's designed it.
If you peel the rudder skin back at the
counterbalance, you are flying way to fast.
Dave Nellis
N410DN (Res.)
--- Dan Checkoway <dan@rvproject.com> wrote:
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway"
> <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> > Definitely on top - you want overlapping edges
> pointing aft -
> > unless you're planning on flying backwads ;-)
>
> Actually, the configuration where the gap faces
> *forward* apparently
> produces less drag!
>
> That said, my gaps face aft. I do know of one RV-6
> with all gaps facing
> forward, though.
>
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D
> http://www.rvproject.com
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Skin Question |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Mark Grieve <mark@macomb.com>
Scott,
Although the plans are not clear and the instructions don't specifically
say so, the counterbalance skin laps over the top of the rudder skins.
There is a note on the plans to taper the aft edge of the counterbalance
skin. There would be no reason to do this if this part were covered by
the rudder skins. This way, the rudder skins lay flat on the spar all
the way up and the counterbalance skin makes a bit of a joggle as it
goes from the rib to the rudder skin. These skins are all of what, .016?
so it isn't much of a jump.
Call Van's if you want an official ruling.
Mark
Scott R. Shook wrote:
>--> RV7-List message posted by: "Scott R. Shook" <sshook@cox.net>
>
>We are getting to the point that we are ready to rivet on the rudder skin
>and there is nothing really indicating whether the R901L & R go over or
>under the counter-balance skin. To me logic would suggest that the counter
>balance skin goes on top but in the drawings it looks like the rudder skin
>goes on top pointing into the wind.
>
>I know it sounds like a simple question; I just want to make sure it is
>right. Any experienced builders care to comment?
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Scott
>(Rudder ready to close out - wing kit still collecting dust)
>
>
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| Subject: | Rudder Skin Question |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Bradley Oliver" <brad@rv7factory.com>
Sorry, but you've got it backwards. The rudder skin goes ON TOP (as in
outside) of the counterbalance skin as per the plans. Hence the dashed line
for the outline of the rudder counterbalance skin as it sits behind the
rudder skin. As was stated earlier, you bevel the "outside" (quoted from
the plans) edges of the counterbalance skin (per the diagram) so that the
rudder skins lay flat as they transitions from the spar OVER the edge of
counterbalance skin. It does seem counterintuitive at first to have the
exposed edge of the rudder skins facing forward, but they fit very tight and
flush.
I don't know, but it may have been counterbalance skin over rudder skin in
the older style rudder (bent TE), but for the newer style rudder (riveted
TE) it IS rudder skin over counterbalance skin.
Regards,
Brad Oliver
RV-7 Livermore, CA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Grieve
Subject: Re: RV7-List: Rudder Skin Question
--> RV7-List message posted by: Mark Grieve <mark@macomb.com>
Scott,
Although the plans are not clear and the instructions don't specifically
say so, the counterbalance skin laps over the top of the rudder skins.
There is a note on the plans to taper the aft edge of the counterbalance
skin. There would be no reason to do this if this part were covered by
the rudder skins. This way, the rudder skins lay flat on the spar all
the way up and the counterbalance skin makes a bit of a joggle as it
goes from the rib to the rudder skin. These skins are all of what, .016?
so it isn't much of a jump.
Call Van's if you want an official ruling.
Mark
Scott R. Shook wrote:
>--> RV7-List message posted by: "Scott R. Shook" <sshook@cox.net>
>
>We are getting to the point that we are ready to rivet on the rudder skin
>and there is nothing really indicating whether the R901L & R go over or
>under the counter-balance skin. To me logic would suggest that the counter
>balance skin goes on top but in the drawings it looks like the rudder skin
>goes on top pointing into the wind.
>
>I know it sounds like a simple question; I just want to make sure it is
>right. Any experienced builders care to comment?
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Scott
>(Rudder ready to close out - wing kit still collecting dust)
>
>
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