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1. 10:20 AM - Van's Firewall Forward Kit ... worth the money ? (Gerry Filby)
2. 12:32 PM - Re: Van's Firewall Forward Kit ... worth the money ? (Phil Birkelbach)
3. 01:57 PM - Rudder/Counterweight Skin Over/Under Debate (jarvo)
4. 02:27 PM - Re: Van's Firewall Forward Kit ... worth the money ? (Sargentclt@cs.com)
5. 02:29 PM - Re: Rudder Skin Question (Sargentclt@cs.com)
6. 02:43 PM - Re: Van's Firewall Forward Kit ... worth the money ? (sjevans)
7. 03:57 PM - SEC: UNCLASSIFIED Re: Van's Firewall Forward Kit ... worth the money ? (Francis, David CMDR)
8. 04:54 PM - Re: RV9-List: Van's Firewall Forward Kit ... worth the money ? (Roger Ping)
9. 09:12 PM - Re: Rudder Skin Question (Mark Grieve)
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| Subject: | Van's Firewall Forward Kit ... worth the money ? |
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--> RV7-List message posted by: Gerry Filby <gerf@gerf.com>
More shopping decisions ...
Van's Firewall Forward kit for the RV-9 (constant speed prop)
is some $4,300. Whilst Van's kits are usually very good value
for money, I was wondering what experiences people had with
this kit.
Were you happy with the qauality ?
Were there things missing or things not needed ?
Did you still have to fork out for extras ?
Would you buy it again ?
PS Most likely I'm going to get an IO-320 from Aerosport which
might have some bearing on the cost effectiveness of the FWF kit.
__g__
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Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com
Tel: 415 203 9177
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| Subject: | Re: Van's Firewall Forward Kit ... worth the money ? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Phil Birkelbach <phil@petrasoft.net>
Gerry Filby wrote:
>--> RV7-List message posted by: Gerry Filby <gerf@gerf.com>
>
>
>More shopping decisions ...
>
>Van's Firewall Forward kit for the RV-9 (constant speed prop)
>is some $4,300. Whilst Van's kits are usually very good value
>for money, I was wondering what experiences people had with
>this kit.
>
>Were you happy with the qauality ?
>
>
Yes
>Were there things missing or things not needed ?
>
>
The closer you are to standard (i.e. no funny fuel injection or
electronic ignition) the closer the kit will be to what you want. I
suspect that there would still be a few things here and there that would
not quite match up to your exact needs but it'll be close. I went with
one electronic ignition and an AFP fuel injection system on what would
normally be a carburated engine so I had to do a lot of deleting of
stuff from the kit but all in all it was pretty decent.
>Did you still have to fork out for extras ?
>
>
Of course.
>Would you buy it again ?
>
>
Absolutely! Just having the right hoses, and fittings made it worth
it. There is a lot of stuff in there. Some of it you'll decide not to
use and some of it will fall short but it sucks to spend $5 shipping a
$6 part because it's the only little fitting that you need.
>PS Most likely I'm going to get an IO-320 from Aerosport which
>might have some bearing on the cost effectiveness of the FWF kit.
>
>
Take a close look at the list of things that are in the IO-320 kit.
Van's will let you delete things from the kit. I deleted about half of
the O-360 kit stuff on mine and it worked out great. Call them, they
will work with you.
>__g__
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Godspeed,
Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
RV-7 N727WB - Finishing Up
http://www.myrv7.com
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| Subject: | Rudder/Counterweight Skin Over/Under Debate |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "jarvo" <jarvo@insightbb.com>
For those pondering which skin goes on top-- built my empennage at Alexander Technical Center (www.buildtofly.com), and they were adamant that, illogical as it may seem... it goes as shown on the drawing with
the rudder skin on top. Both edges do get tapered down to give as smooth a joint
as possible. They've built hundreds of these puppies down there.
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| Subject: | Re: Van's Firewall Forward Kit ... worth the money ? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Sargentclt@cs.com
absolutely worth the money.
Everything fits as is should and you have all the pieces you need to complete
the kit.
Tad S.
RV7A Painting
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Skin Question |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Sargentclt@cs.com
Under, If it is the same as the 7A
Tad S.
Painting
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| Subject: | Van's Firewall Forward Kit ... worth the money ? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "sjevans" <sjevans@cox.net>
I did a little checking into the cost comparisons of the FWF kit &
separate parts. I priced everything listed on the sample FWF kit (I
think it was a 320 CS setup) and separate parts as listed in the Van's
catalog & their website. I may have had to look at Spruce for some
things. I could only come up with something like a $300 difference.
That was enough to convince me that the FWF kit was worth it.
Sam
7A @ABI
emp attached to fuse
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Subject: Re: RV7-List: Van's Firewall Forward Kit ... worth the money ?
--> RV7-List message posted by: Sargentclt@cs.com
absolutely worth the money.
Everything fits as is should and you have all the pieces you need to
complete
the kit.
Tad S.
RV7A Painting
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| Subject: | Van's Firewall Forward Kit ... worth the |
money ?
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Francis, David CMDR" <David.Francis@defence.gov.au>
Gerry,
I got an injected 0360 with aerobatic sump, constant speed, from Aerosport. The
engine is just superb.
I had to do a lot of deleting from the Vans FWF kit to cater for my odd sump, but
must say that the baffle kit, oil cooler and hoses and connections alone make
life relatively easy and are very well priced.
I deleted the throttle/mixture/governor cables and exhaust due to my Sky Dynamics
sump, and the cost and delays in getting substitutes from Spruce is quite high.
So staying with Vans standard designs saves on freight and lots of labour
making up odd shaped brackets.
Standardisation really has big benefits.
One final comment, for fuel injection Vans plans do not include a gascolator to
trap water. If you elect to fit a gascolator you will need a high pressure Andair
gascolator, not a Vans low pressure one. Dont ask how I found out the difference.
Regards, David A Francis, Canberra, Australia
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From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com]
Subject: RV7-List: Van's Firewall Forward Kit ... worth the money ?
--> RV7-List message posted by: Gerry Filby <gerf@gerf.com>
More shopping decisions ...
Van's Firewall Forward kit for the RV-9 (constant speed prop)
is some $4,300. Whilst Van's kits are usually very good value
for money, I was wondering what experiences people had with
this kit.
Were you happy with the qauality ?
Were there things missing or things not needed ?
Did you still have to fork out for extras ?
Would you buy it again ?
PS Most likely I'm going to get an IO-320 from Aerosport which
might have some bearing on the cost effectiveness of the FWF kit.
__g__
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Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com
Tel: 415 203 9177
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| Subject: | RE: RV9-List: Van's Firewall Forward Kit ... worth the money |
?
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Roger Ping" <rpping@qwest.net>
Definitely 80% of the wiring part of the kit was useless. Most of the
wires were for other models and unless you are going to install Vans
prepunched panel most of the smaller wires are useless also. I just cut
them up and used them as I could. Although, what do you do when you have
to crimp a 003 wire?
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From: owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv9-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gerry Filby
Subject: RV9-List: Van's Firewall Forward Kit ... worth the money ?
--> RV9-List message posted by: Gerry Filby <gerf@gerf.com>
More shopping decisions ...
Van's Firewall Forward kit for the RV-9 (constant speed prop)
is some $4,300. Whilst Van's kits are usually very good value
for money, I was wondering what experiences people had with
this kit.
Were you happy with the qauality ?
Were there things missing or things not needed ?
Did you still have to fork out for extras ?
Would you buy it again ?
PS Most likely I'm going to get an IO-320 from Aerosport which
might have some bearing on the cost effectiveness of the FWF kit.
__g__
==========================================================
Gerry Filby gerf@gerf.com
Tel: 415 203 9177
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Skin Question |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Mark Grieve <mark@macomb.com>
Bradley,
I was involved in the construction of 2 RV-9 rudders and thought sure
the counterbalance skin went on top. Humm, could my memory be going on
me here? That was 3 years ago. I am sorry for providing bad information
and trying to sound like such an authority all the while.
Thank you for setting me straight.
Mark
Bradley Oliver wrote:
>--> RV7-List message posted by: "Bradley Oliver" <brad@rv7factory.com>
>
>
>Sorry, but you've got it backwards. The rudder skin goes ON TOP (as in
>outside) of the counterbalance skin as per the plans. Hence the dashed line
>for the outline of the rudder counterbalance skin as it sits behind the
>rudder skin. As was stated earlier, you bevel the "outside" (quoted from
>the plans) edges of the counterbalance skin (per the diagram) so that the
>rudder skins lay flat as they transitions from the spar OVER the edge of
>counterbalance skin. It does seem counterintuitive at first to have the
>exposed edge of the rudder skins facing forward, but they fit very tight and
>flush.
>
>I don't know, but it may have been counterbalance skin over rudder skin in
>the older style rudder (bent TE), but for the newer style rudder (riveted
>TE) it IS rudder skin over counterbalance skin.
>
>Regards,
>Brad Oliver
>RV-7 Livermore, CA
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Grieve
>To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV7-List: Rudder Skin Question
>
>--> RV7-List message posted by: Mark Grieve <mark@macomb.com>
>
>Scott,
>Although the plans are not clear and the instructions don't specifically
>say so, the counterbalance skin laps over the top of the rudder skins.
>There is a note on the plans to taper the aft edge of the counterbalance
>skin. There would be no reason to do this if this part were covered by
>the rudder skins. This way, the rudder skins lay flat on the spar all
>the way up and the counterbalance skin makes a bit of a joggle as it
>goes from the rib to the rudder skin. These skins are all of what, .016?
>so it isn't much of a jump.
>
>Call Van's if you want an official ruling.
>Mark
>
>Scott R. Shook wrote:
>
>
>
>>--> RV7-List message posted by: "Scott R. Shook" <sshook@cox.net>
>>
>>We are getting to the point that we are ready to rivet on the rudder skin
>>and there is nothing really indicating whether the R901L & R go over or
>>under the counter-balance skin. To me logic would suggest that the counter
>>balance skin goes on top but in the drawings it looks like the rudder skin
>>goes on top pointing into the wind.
>>
>>I know it sounds like a simple question; I just want to make sure it is
>>right. Any experienced builders care to comment?
>>
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Scott
>>(Rudder ready to close out - wing kit still collecting dust)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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