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--> RV7-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
I have a couple of questions on gussets and Van's has been relatively curt
and unhelpful on one of them.
The first one involves the gusset on the seatbacks to the main longeron.
Here's my situation. Following Van's instructions, I have riveted onlyt he
"keeper" rivets in the longeron and no others. I have fitted, modified and
prepped the gusset (I think it's 656). There's that big honkin' piece of
angle I prepped months ago but did not drill to the 705 bulkhead,,,these are
the four prepunched holes in the bulkhead and in the gusset itself. But
after fitting the three. I drilled these four holes.
So the longeron rivets on the skin have not been shot. And I notice that
the large piece of angle -- the 705G -- is slightly blocking the side skin
to longeron holes. Being mindful of the warnings not to rivet the side skin
to the longeron except for the "keeper" rivet holes provided, I am thus
faced with riveting the gussets/705g and 705 bulkhead now...leaving me with
a real problem when I go to shoot those side skin-to-longeron rivets are
going to be blocked by the angle when I got to shoot them.
So it seems that the only logical solution is to shoot those side
skin-to-longeron rivets now....THEN rivet the 705G-bulkhead-and gusset
together and screw the instructions about the longeron rivets.
That's what I asked Van's. But they (well, Ken) sent me back this detailed
e-mail, "or rivet in 705g after skins are on as suggested in note 5."
Nice. Not only didn't I get an answer to the question I asked. I also got a
little "shot" for no extra charge. The point was, I know all about Note 5.
I read Note 5. I DID wait to rivet the 705G until the skins are already on.
THE SKINS _are_ ALREADY ON!! (Sorry). That's why I wrote you, Van's. The
skins are, you told me not to rivet the longerons, yo told me TO rivet the
gusset. If I rivet the gusset, my path to those longeron rivets is going to
be blocked by the 705G.
It seemed like a simple question. Van's punted. What do you folks say?
-0-
On the next gusset. The 695-- that connects the longeron to the firewall,
everything has fit perfectly and I've drilled it. Everything's great. But
I'm concerned that the rivet holes are too close to the web of the engine
mount reinforcement bracket... 7/32" as near as I can tell. Pretty tight.
Wondering if anyone has had similar measurements and whether you had any
problems setting those rivets?
I love Van's. I love this kit. I'm having a great time. But I wouldn't mind
seeing a full-time tech support guy to replace 5 guys who obviously have
other stuff to do.
Bob
St. Paul
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| Subject: | Gusset questions |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Brian Meyette" <brianpublic@starband.net>
Ken isn't Van's most gushingly friendly employee - he can be rather curt &
sometimes unhelpful
brian
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[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bob Collins
Subject: RV7-List: Gusset questions
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
I have a couple of questions on gussets and Van's has been relatively curt
and unhelpful on one of them.
The first one involves the gusset on the seatbacks to the main longeron.
Here's my situation. Following Van's instructions, I have riveted onlyt he
"keeper" rivets in the longeron and no others. I have fitted, modified and
prepped the gusset (I think it's 656). There's that big honkin' piece of
angle I prepped months ago but did not drill to the 705 bulkhead,,,these are
the four prepunched holes in the bulkhead and in the gusset itself. But
after fitting the three. I drilled these four holes.
So the longeron rivets on the skin have not been shot. And I notice that
the large piece of angle -- the 705G -- is slightly blocking the side skin
to longeron holes. Being mindful of the warnings not to rivet the side skin
to the longeron except for the "keeper" rivet holes provided, I am thus
faced with riveting the gussets/705g and 705 bulkhead now...leaving me with
a real problem when I go to shoot those side skin-to-longeron rivets are
going to be blocked by the angle when I got to shoot them.
So it seems that the only logical solution is to shoot those side
skin-to-longeron rivets now....THEN rivet the 705G-bulkhead-and gusset
together and screw the instructions about the longeron rivets.
That's what I asked Van's. But they (well, Ken) sent me back this detailed
e-mail, "or rivet in 705g after skins are on as suggested in note 5."
Nice. Not only didn't I get an answer to the question I asked. I also got a
little "shot" for no extra charge. The point was, I know all about Note 5.
I read Note 5. I DID wait to rivet the 705G until the skins are already on.
THE SKINS _are_ ALREADY ON!! (Sorry). That's why I wrote you, Van's. The
skins are, you told me not to rivet the longerons, yo told me TO rivet the
gusset. If I rivet the gusset, my path to those longeron rivets is going to
be blocked by the 705G.
It seemed like a simple question. Van's punted. What do you folks say?
-0-
On the next gusset. The 695-- that connects the longeron to the firewall,
everything has fit perfectly and I've drilled it. Everything's great. But
I'm concerned that the rivet holes are too close to the web of the engine
mount reinforcement bracket... 7/32" as near as I can tell. Pretty tight.
Wondering if anyone has had similar measurements and whether you had any
problems setting those rivets?
I love Van's. I love this kit. I'm having a great time. But I wouldn't mind
seeing a full-time tech support guy to replace 5 guys who obviously have
other stuff to do.
Bob
St. Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Gusset questions |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Merems" <merems@cox.net>
Bob,
I am a month or so behind you and hope to learn from your posting.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Collins
To: rv7-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 5:40 PM
Subject: RV7-List: Gusset questions
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
I have a couple of questions on gussets and Van's has been relatively curt
and unhelpful on one of them.
The first one involves the gusset on the seatbacks to the main longeron.
Here's my situation. Following Van's instructions, I have riveted onlyt he
"keeper" rivets in the longeron and no others. I have fitted, modified and
prepped the gusset (I think it's 656). There's that big honkin' piece of
angle I prepped months ago but did not drill to the 705 bulkhead,,,these are
the four prepunched holes in the bulkhead and in the gusset itself. But
after fitting the three. I drilled these four holes.
So the longeron rivets on the skin have not been shot. And I notice that
the large piece of angle -- the 705G -- is slightly blocking the side skin
to longeron holes. Being mindful of the warnings not to rivet the side skin
to the longeron except for the "keeper" rivet holes provided, I am thus
faced with riveting the gussets/705g and 705 bulkhead now...leaving me with
a real problem when I go to shoot those side skin-to-longeron rivets are
going to be blocked by the angle when I got to shoot them.
So it seems that the only logical solution is to shoot those side
skin-to-longeron rivets now....THEN rivet the 705G-bulkhead-and gusset
together and screw the instructions about the longeron rivets.
That's what I asked Van's. But they (well, Ken) sent me back this detailed
e-mail, "or rivet in 705g after skins are on as suggested in note 5."
Nice. Not only didn't I get an answer to the question I asked. I also got a
little "shot" for no extra charge. The point was, I know all about Note 5.
I read Note 5. I DID wait to rivet the 705G until the skins are already on.
THE SKINS _are_ ALREADY ON!! (Sorry). That's why I wrote you, Van's. The
skins are, you told me not to rivet the longerons, yo told me TO rivet the
gusset. If I rivet the gusset, my path to those longeron rivets is going to
be blocked by the 705G.
It seemed like a simple question. Van's punted. What do you folks say?
-0-
On the next gusset. The 695-- that connects the longeron to the firewall,
everything has fit perfectly and I've drilled it. Everything's great. But
I'm concerned that the rivet holes are too close to the web of the engine
mount reinforcement bracket... 7/32" as near as I can tell. Pretty tight.
Wondering if anyone has had similar measurements and whether you had any
problems setting those rivets?
I love Van's. I love this kit. I'm having a great time. But I wouldn't mind
seeing a full-time tech support guy to replace 5 guys who obviously have
other stuff to do.
Bob
St. Paul
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