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1. 04:57 AM - Re: Tips? Riveting the RV-7/9 side skins to the baggage bulkhead/bottom skin curve (Merems)
2. 06:31 AM - Re: Tips? Riveting the RV-7/9 side skins to the baggage (Frank Stringham)
3. 06:34 AM - Re: Tips? Riveting the RV-7/9 side skins to the baggage bulkhead/bottom skin curve (Frank Stringham)
4. 08:12 AM - Re: Tips? Riveting the RV-7/9 side skins to the baggage bulkhead/bottom skin curve (Dan Checkoway)
5. 08:38 AM - Re: Tips? Riveting the RV-7/9 side skins to the baggage (Frank Stringham)
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| Subject: | Re: Tips? Riveting the RV-7/9 side skins to the baggage bulkhead/bottom |
skin curve
Dan,
Maybe we are talking about different locations? These rivets are the ones the
F-770 forward side skin get attached to the F-773 aft side skin and baggage bulkhead.
There are tabs on the F-773 and bulkhead that get bent out to contact
the conical bend (builder bends) in the forward side skins (section D on DWG
28). The rivets are 1/4-5/16" offset from the edge. The swivel flush set is
over 1" diameter which places it way off center to the rivet, my 1" flush set
still has the same problem. I do have another smaller flush set that should center
on the rivet better. With that said, I can see these rivets being a "dent
magnet" location.
Does this explain my concerns better? Shooting these locations on Friday. Flipping
the fuselage hopefully Friday night.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Checkoway
To: rv7-list@matronics.com ; RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: RV7-List: Tips? Riveting the RV-7/9 side skins to the baggage bulkhead/bottom
skin curve
What are you worried about exactly, the skin developing "flats" along the curve
of the F-706 bulkhead, or something else?
You obviously already riveted the bottom corners of the tailcone, i.e. at F-707,
F-708, etc. The rivets along the "conical bend" at F-706 (or F-906 in your
case?) are just like the ones you've already shot. The difference is that there's
even more material thickness in this case, so it will only be easier.
Keep the rivet gun stable, don't use too much air pressure (i.e. 30-40 psi), use
a swivel flush set, and this will soon be a distant memory.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Merems
To: rv7-list@matronics.com ; RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com ; rv9-list@matronics.com
; RV-9A@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 7:25 PM
Subject: RV7-List: Tips? Riveting the RV-7/9 side skins to the baggage bulkhead/bottom
skin curve
Fellow builders,
I am going to be riveting the side skins on in the next day or so. I am a
little concerned about the 5 or so rivets that attach the side skins to the bulkhead
at the bottom skin of the bulkhead where you form the bend near the F-623
rib. I have bent the tabs as best I can and I know from experience this could
be on of those areas that you may dent the skin during riveting.
Any tips for riveting this area? How many of you used bind rivets in this
area?
Paul
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bulkhead/bottom skin curve
| Subject: | Re: Tips? Riveting the RV-7/9 side skins to the baggage |
bulkhead/bottom skin curve
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Frank Stringham" <fstringham@hotmail.com>
Paul
Finished this part two weeks ago. My rivet buddy, Don brought a small, 3/4
inch dia. mushroom..non swival, set that did this area perfectly. Low
pressure, steady hand, free hand held the end of the set so it wouldn't
waqlk away from the rivet .....fired away. No dents, bruises,
swearing........etc...just a perfectly set rivet.
Frank @ SGU and SLC.......Flipped and heading for finish kit
>From: "Merems" <merems@cox.net>
>Reply-To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv7-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV7-List: Tips? Riveting the RV-7/9 side skins to the baggage
>bulkhead/bottom skin curve
>Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 06:00:21 -0700
>
>Dan,
>
>Maybe we are talking about different locations? These rivets are the ones
>the F-770 forward side skin get attached to the F-773 aft side skin and
>baggage bulkhead. There are tabs on the F-773 and bulkhead that get bent
>out to contact the conical bend (builder bends) in the forward side skins
>(section D on DWG 28). The rivets are 1/4-5/16" offset from the edge. The
>swivel flush set is over 1" diameter which places it way off center to the
>rivet, my 1" flush set still has the same problem. I do have another
>smaller flush set that should center on the rivet better. With that said,
>I can see these rivets being a "dent magnet" location.
>
>Does this explain my concerns better? Shooting these locations on Friday.
>Flipping the fuselage hopefully Friday night.
>
>Paul
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dan Checkoway
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com ; RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 8:52 PM
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: Tips? Riveting the RV-7/9 side skins to the
>baggage bulkhead/bottom skin curve
>
>
> What are you worried about exactly, the skin developing "flats" along
>the curve of the F-706 bulkhead, or something else?
>
> You obviously already riveted the bottom corners of the tailcone, i.e.
>at F-707, F-708, etc. The rivets along the "conical bend" at F-706 (or
>F-906 in your case?) are just like the ones you've already shot. The
>difference is that there's even more material thickness in this case, so it
>will only be easier. Keep the rivet gun stable, don't use too much air
>pressure (i.e. 30-40 psi), use a swivel flush set, and this will soon be a
>distant memory.
>
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Merems
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com ; RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com ;
>rv9-list@matronics.com ; RV-9A@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 7:25 PM
> Subject: RV7-List: Tips? Riveting the RV-7/9 side skins to the baggage
>bulkhead/bottom skin curve
>
>
> Fellow builders,
>
> I am going to be riveting the side skins on in the next day or so. I
>am a little concerned about the 5 or so rivets that attach the side skins
>to the bulkhead at the bottom skin of the bulkhead where you form the bend
>near the F-623 rib. I have bent the tabs as best I can and I know from
>experience this could be on of those areas that you may dent the skin
>during riveting.
>
> Any tips for riveting this area? How many of you used bind rivets in
>this area?
>
> Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Tips? Riveting the RV-7/9 side skins to the baggage bulkhead/bottom |
skin curve
Paul
Finished this part two week ago. My rivet buddy, Don brought a small, 3/4 inch
dia. mushroom..non swival, set that did this area perfect. Low pressure, steady
hand, free hand held the end of the set so it wouldn't away from the rivet .....fired
away. No dents, bruises, swearing........etc...just a perfectly set
rivet.
Frank @ SGU and SLC.......Flipped and heading for finish kit
Merems <merems@cox.net> wrote:
Dan,
Maybe we are talking about different locations? These rivets are the ones the
F-770 forward side skin get attached to the F-773 aft side skin and baggage bulkhead.
There are tabs on the F-773 and bulkhead that get bent out to contact
the conical bend (builder bends) in the forward side skins (section D on DWG
28). The rivets are 1/4-5/16" offset from the edge. The swivel flush set is
over 1" diameter which places it way off center to the rivet, my 1" flush set
still has the same problem. I do have another smaller flush set that should center
on the rivet better. With that said, I can see these rivets being a "dent
magnet" location.
Does this explain my concerns better? Shooting these locations on Friday. Flipping
the fuselage hopefully Friday night.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Checkoway
Subject: Re: RV7-List: Tips? Riveting the RV-7/9 side skins to the baggage bulkhead/bottom
skin curve
What are you worried about exactly, the skin developing "flats" along the curve
of the F-706 bulkhead, or something else?
You obviously already riveted the bottom corners of the tailcone, i.e. at F-707,
F-708, etc. The rivets along the "conical bend" at F-706 (or F-906 in your
case?) are just like the ones you've already shot. The difference is that there's
even more material thickness in this case, so it will only be easier. Keep
the rivet gun stable, don't use too much air pressure (i.e. 30-40 psi), use
a swivel flush set, and this will soon be a distant memory.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Merems
Subject: RV7-List: Tips? Riveting the RV-7/9 side skins to the baggage bulkhead/bottom
skin curve
Fellow builders,
I am going to be riveting the side skins on in the next day or so. I am a little
concerned about the 5 or so rivets that attach the side skins to the bulkhead
at the bottom skin of the bulkhead where you form the bend near the F-623 rib.
I have bent the tabs as best I can and I know from experience this could
be on of those areas that you may dent the skin during riveting.
Any tips for riveting this area? How many of you used bind rivets in this area?
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Tips? Riveting the RV-7/9 side skins to the baggage bulkhead/bottom |
skin curve
Having the flush set slightly off center is not a problem imho. Done that hundreds
of times. Just don't use a zillion pounds of air pressure. The swivel flush
set with rubber guard is a pretty forgiving animal -- you almost have to
TRY to get dents with that thing.
FWIW, I didn't use any special rivet set there. Used my flush swivel rubber guard
set like I did on nearly every exterior rivet on the plane (there were probably
so few exceptions I can count them on one hand). My conical bend rivets
at F-706 came out fine. No dents or flats. I wouldn't want to rivet that area
solo, since I don't feel I have the coordination wth that big a reach to stabilize
the gun well enough, but that's your call. I tend to lean toward always
riveting with a partner. I like the results better.
Press on!
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Merems
To: rv7-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 5:00 AM
Subject: Re: RV7-List: Tips? Riveting the RV-7/9 side skins to the baggage bulkhead/bottom
skin curve
Dan,
Maybe we are talking about different locations? These rivets are the ones the
F-770 forward side skin get attached to the F-773 aft side skin and baggage
bulkhead. There are tabs on the F-773 and bulkhead that get bent out to contact
the conical bend (builder bends) in the forward side skins (section D on DWG
28). The rivets are 1/4-5/16" offset from the edge. The swivel flush set is
over 1" diameter which places it way off center to the rivet, my 1" flush set
still has the same problem. I do have another smaller flush set that should
center on the rivet better. With that said, I can see these rivets being a "dent
magnet" location.
Does this explain my concerns better? Shooting these locations on Friday. Flipping
the fuselage hopefully Friday night.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Checkoway
To: rv7-list@matronics.com ; RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: RV7-List: Tips? Riveting the RV-7/9 side skins to the baggage
bulkhead/bottom skin curve
What are you worried about exactly, the skin developing "flats" along the curve
of the F-706 bulkhead, or something else?
You obviously already riveted the bottom corners of the tailcone, i.e. at F-707,
F-708, etc. The rivets along the "conical bend" at F-706 (or F-906 in your
case?) are just like the ones you've already shot. The difference is that
there's even more material thickness in this case, so it will only be easier.
Keep the rivet gun stable, don't use too much air pressure (i.e. 30-40 psi),
use a swivel flush set, and this will soon be a distant memory.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Merems
To: rv7-list@matronics.com ; RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com ; rv9-list@matronics.com
; RV-9A@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 7:25 PM
Subject: RV7-List: Tips? Riveting the RV-7/9 side skins to the baggage bulkhead/bottom
skin curve
Fellow builders,
I am going to be riveting the side skins on in the next day or so. I am
a little concerned about the 5 or so rivets that attach the side skins to the
bulkhead at the bottom skin of the bulkhead where you form the bend near the F-623
rib. I have bent the tabs as best I can and I know from experience this
could be on of those areas that you may dent the skin during riveting.
Any tips for riveting this area? How many of you used bind rivets in this
area?
Paul
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bulkhead/bottom skin curve
| Subject: | Re: Tips? Riveting the RV-7/9 side skins to the baggage |
bulkhead/bottom skin curve
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Frank Stringham" <fstringham@hotmail.com>
I agree with Dan...get a partner for the best shoot out possible
Frank @ SGU and SLC
>From: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>Reply-To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>To: <rv7-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Re: RV7-List: Tips? Riveting the RV-7/9 side skins to the baggage
>bulkhead/bottom skin curve
>Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:11:12 -0800
>
>Having the flush set slightly off center is not a problem imho. Done that
>hundreds of times. Just don't use a zillion pounds of air pressure. The
>swivel flush set with rubber guard is a pretty forgiving animal -- you
>almost have to TRY to get dents with that thing.
>
>FWIW, I didn't use any special rivet set there. Used my flush swivel
>rubber guard set like I did on nearly every exterior rivet on the plane
>(there were probably so few exceptions I can count them on one hand). My
>conical bend rivets at F-706 came out fine. No dents or flats. I wouldn't
>want to rivet that area solo, since I don't feel I have the coordination
>wth that big a reach to stabilize the gun well enough, but that's your
>call. I tend to lean toward always riveting with a partner. I like the
>results better.
>
>Press on!
>
>)_( Dan
>RV-7 N714D
>http://www.rvproject.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Merems
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 5:00 AM
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: Tips? Riveting the RV-7/9 side skins to the
>baggage bulkhead/bottom skin curve
>
>
> Dan,
>
> Maybe we are talking about different locations? These rivets are the
>ones the F-770 forward side skin get attached to the F-773 aft side skin
>and baggage bulkhead. There are tabs on the F-773 and bulkhead that get
>bent out to contact the conical bend (builder bends) in the forward side
>skins (section D on DWG 28). The rivets are 1/4-5/16" offset from the
>edge. The swivel flush set is over 1" diameter which places it way off
>center to the rivet, my 1" flush set still has the same problem. I do have
>another smaller flush set that should center on the rivet better. With
>that said, I can see these rivets being a "dent magnet" location.
>
> Does this explain my concerns better? Shooting these locations on
>Friday. Flipping the fuselage hopefully Friday night.
>
> Paul
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dan Checkoway
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com ; RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 8:52 PM
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: Tips? Riveting the RV-7/9 side skins to the
>baggage bulkhead/bottom skin curve
>
>
> What are you worried about exactly, the skin developing "flats" along
>the curve of the F-706 bulkhead, or something else?
>
> You obviously already riveted the bottom corners of the tailcone, i.e.
>at F-707, F-708, etc. The rivets along the "conical bend" at F-706 (or
>F-906 in your case?) are just like the ones you've already shot. The
>difference is that there's even more material thickness in this case, so it
>will only be easier. Keep the rivet gun stable, don't use too much air
>pressure (i.e. 30-40 psi), use a swivel flush set, and this will soon be a
>distant memory.
>
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Merems
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com ; RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com ;
>rv9-list@matronics.com ; RV-9A@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 7:25 PM
> Subject: RV7-List: Tips? Riveting the RV-7/9 side skins to the
>baggage bulkhead/bottom skin curve
>
>
> Fellow builders,
>
> I am going to be riveting the side skins on in the next day or so.
>I am a little concerned about the 5 or so rivets that attach the side skins
>to the bulkhead at the bottom skin of the bulkhead where you form the bend
>near the F-623 rib. I have bent the tabs as best I can and I know from
>experience this could be on of those areas that you may dent the skin
>during riveting.
>
> Any tips for riveting this area? How many of you used bind rivets
>in this area?
>
> Paul
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