---------------------------------------------------------- RV7-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/31/06: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:54 AM - Re: Pitot tube? (Skykingjfg@aol.com) 2. 06:14 AM - Re: Pitot tube? (Dan Checkoway) 3. 09:43 AM - Re: Pitot tube? (Brooks Wolfe) 4. 10:13 AM - Re: Pitot tube? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 5. 03:13 PM - Heated Pitot tube? (Daniel Storer) 6. 04:12 PM - Re: PC Simulators (joelrhaynes@aol.com) 7. 08:19 PM - Re: Re: PC Simulators (Cammie Patch) 8. 10:39 PM - Re: Re: PC Simulators (Franz Fux) 9. 11:15 PM - Re: Re: PC Simulators (Mark Conover) 10. 11:20 PM - Left elevator (Paul Walter) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:55 AM PST US From: Skykingjfg@aol.com Subject: Re: RV7-List: Pitot tube? You won't need one unless you plan to fly IFR in the clouds. However, if you decide you want one the cheapest I've found is either Falcon or Dynon. Also Gretz is offering a new model at a reasonable price. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:41 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV7-List: Pitot tube? There's no requirement for a heated pitot tube, even for IFR. It's simply not required under Part 91. 23.1323 requires a heated pitot tube: "(d) If certification for instrument flight rules or flight in icing conditions is requested, each airspeed system must have a heated pitot tube or an equivalent means of preventing malfunction due to icing." However, our airplanes are not required to conform to Part 23. Plus, the way the modern operating limitations are structured, we don't have to request specific "certification" under IFR. The operating limitations simply specify that we need to conform to 91.205: "(8) After completion of phase I flight testing, unless appropriately equipped for night and/or instrument flight in accordance with =A7 91.205, this aircraft is to be operated under VFR, day only." That said, you'd be remiss to do any real IFR flying anywhere near the freezing level without one. I have warm (hot?) fuzzies as a result of having one, but I want to clarify that it's not a hard and fast requirement for amateur built aircraft in the U.S. )_( Dan RV-7 N714D (802 hours) http://www.rvproject.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Skykingjfg@aol.com To: rv7-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 3:49 AM Subject: Re: RV7-List: Pitot tube? You won't need one unless you plan to fly IFR in the clouds. However, if you decide you want one the cheapest I've found is either Falcon or Dynon. Also Gretz is offering a new model at a reasonable price. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:43:26 AM PST US From: "Brooks Wolfe" Subject: Re: RV7-List: Pitot tube? Dynon's pitot tube remains unheated. For several years they worked on a heated version, but apparently they've finally given up on the project -- Last word I heard is that they have no plans to bring a heated tube to market. Brooks N513BW -- Waiting for warmer temps to cut my canopy! -------Original Message------- From: rv7-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV7-List: Pitot tube? You won't need one unless you plan to fly IFR in the clouds. However, if you decide you want one the cheapest I've found is either Falcon or Dynon. Also Gretz is offering a new model at a reasonable price. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:13:38 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV7-List: Pitot tube? From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Bummer!...Oh well at least there is no point in waiting. As to the canopy I PERSONALLY would just cut it....Use a local fan heater to warm the underside for a few minutes but other than that if you don't want to wait just do it...I have cut it quite sucessfully in as low as 40F no problem. Oh by the way, you can also sand out scratches with wet and dry and polish it back clear with metal polish pretty easily as well Frank ________________________________ From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brooks Wolfe Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:41 AM Subject: Re: RV7-List: Pitot tube? Dynon's pitot tube remains unheated. For several years they worked on a heated version, but apparently they've finally given up on the project -- Last word I heard is that they have no plans to bring a heated tube to market. Brooks N513BW -- Waiting for warmer temps to cut my canopy! -------Original Message------- From: rv7-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV7-List: Pitot tube? You won't need one unless you plan to fly IFR in the clouds. However, if you decide you want one the cheapest I've found is either Falcon or Dynon. Also Gretz is offering a new model at a reasonable price. =09 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:13:37 PM PST US From: "Daniel Storer" Subject: RV7-List: Heated Pitot tube? Call Wentworth (612) 722- 1024 and get a used Cessna heated tube just over $100, which works with the Gretz mounting hardware. Dan Storer N700DJ res. 7A waiting finishing kit Oklahoma City ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:12:26 PM PST US From: joelrhaynes@aol.com Subject: RV7-List: RE: PC Simulators I have purchased several version of MS Flight Simulator through the years and I still do not like it. However, I have found OnTop version 8 from ASA to be a great IFR trainer. Don't expect great graphics out the window because it's an IFR trainer. But the panel graphics are great and you can configure the panel in many different ways for a variety of aircraft. It has all the VORs, NDBs, airports, etc. It flies like a real airplane. Joel Haynes Bozeman, MT 7A Finishing ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:38 PM PST US From: "Cammie Patch" Subject: RE: RV7-List: RE: PC Simulators The best, by far, it Elite's software www.flyelite.com I'm a CFII and teach a lot of IFR students, I see results with this software. www.glasscockpitaviation.com Cammie _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of joelrhaynes@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:07 PM Subject: RV7-List: RE: PC Simulators I have purchased several version of MS Flight Simulator through the years and I still do not like it. However, I have found OnTop version 8 from ASA to be a great IFR trainer. Don't expect great graphics out the window because it's an IFR trainer. But the panel graphics are great and you can configure the panel in many different ways for a variety of aircraft. It has all the VORs, NDBs, airports, etc. It flies like a real airplane. Joel Haynes Bozeman, MT 7A Finishing ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:39:37 PM PST US From: "Franz Fux" Subject: RE: RV7-List: RE: PC Simulators If anyone wants to buy the elite software including joke please contact me off line. I do not use it anymore. Franz -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cammie Patch Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 8:18 PM To: rv7-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV7-List: RE: PC Simulators The best, by far, it Elite's software www.flyelite.com I'm a CFII and teach a lot of IFR students, I see results with this software. www.glasscockpitaviation.com Cammie -- From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of joelrhaynes@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:07 PM To: rv7-list@matronics.com Subject: RV7-List: RE: PC Simulators I have purchased several version of MS Flight Simulator through the years and I still do not like it. However, I have found OnTop version 8 from ASA to be a great IFR trainer. Don't expect great graphics out the window because it's an IFR trainer. But the panel graphics are great and you can configure the panel in many different ways for a variety of aircraft. It has all the VORs, NDBs, airports, etc. It flies like a real airplane. Joel Haynes Bozeman, MT 7A Finishing ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:15:43 PM PST US From: Mark Conover Subject: Re: RV7-List: RE: PC Simulators I found X-Plane very helpful during my IFR training a few years ago. And the price is outstanding, too. http://www.x-plane.com/ -Mark Conover RV-9 empennage (newly arrived) Franz Fux wrote: > If anyone wants to buy the elite software including joke please > contact me off line. I do not use it anymore. > > Franz > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com]*On Behalf Of *Cammie > Patch > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 31, 2006 8:18 PM > *To:* rv7-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: RV7-List: RE: PC Simulators > > The best, by far, it Elite's software www.flyelite.com > > > I'm a CFII and teach a lot of IFR students, I see results with > this software. > > www.glasscockpitaviation.com > > Cammie > > > > > *From:* owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of > *joelrhaynes@aol.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:07 PM > *To:* rv7-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV7-List: RE: PC Simulators > > > > I have purchased several version of MS Flight Simulator through > the years and I still do not like it. However, I have found OnTop > version 8 from ASA to be a great IFR trainer. Don't expect great > graphics out the window because it's an IFR trainer. But the panel > graphics are great and you can configure the panel in many > different ways for a variety of aircraft. It has all the VORs, > NDBs, airports, etc. It flies like a real airplane. > > > > Joel Haynes > > Bozeman, MT > > 7A Finishing > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:13 PM PST US From: "Paul Walter" Subject: RV7-List: Left elevator When riveting skin to E-606pp on left elevator. Are the eight rivets (four each side) on the out bound side of the trim tab, between stiffeners J and H pop rivets or is there a method to back rivet. Dan - you got your ears on ? Paul Walter