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1. 10:47 AM - Leadweights too light? (Alf Olav Frog)
2. 10:56 AM - Elevator trim too sesitive? (Alf Olav Frog)
3. 11:04 AM - Re: Leadweights too light? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
4. 11:07 AM - Re: Elevator trim too sesitive? (RAS)
5. 11:24 AM - Re: Elevator trim too sesitive? (Dan Checkoway)
6. 11:30 AM - Re: Leadweights too light? (Dan Checkoway)
7. 11:36 AM - Re: Elevator trim too sesitive? (Norman Younie)
8. 11:45 AM - Re: Leadweights too light? (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
9. 04:43 PM - Re: Elevator trim too sesitive? (Bill Schlatterer)
10. 05:13 PM - Re: Elevator trim too sesitive? (Norman Younie)
11. 05:37 PM - EFIS question (Deb and Bernard Weiss)
12. 06:13 PM - Re: EFIS question (Dan Checkoway)
13. 06:59 PM - Re: EFIS question (James Clark)
14. 07:59 PM - Re: EFIS question (David Schaefer)
15. 09:24 PM - Re: EFIS question (Norman Younie)
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| Subject: | Leadweights too light? |
Hi!
Thanks for the inputs regarding PVC-tube in the wings!
We're done with the empennage now and both elevators are AFT heavy.
On the right one, we adjusted it per plans, but we had to bolt the removed leadpiece
back onto the counterweight to get the elevator closer to neutral.
On the left one, we didn't do anything to the counterweight.
I guess we can solve the problem by adding lead in the forward part of the fiberglass
tips before installing them.
Have anyone else encountered this?
The only reason I can think of is that we maybe put too much tanksealer in the
aft part of the stiffners?? (But I don't think we overdid it....)
Best regards Alf Olav Frog / Norway
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| Subject: | Elevator trim too sesitive? |
Hi!
I've heard some rumours that the electric elevator trim is very sensitive?
A way to solve it is to slow down the trim motor maybe?
We've installed the combined trimtab-horn on my left elevator, the one that followed
with the emp kit. (The one that can be used both for manual and elec trim.
One just trim off the part one's not using)
My plan is to fly a few rides with the trim rod attached to both the attachment
points in turn and THEN trim off the one I like the least.
What does all of you aviators with flying RV's think? Is the trim too sensitive?
Best regards Alf Olav Frog
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| Subject: | Leadweights too light? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Yeah I got the same thing. Not sure how much of an issue a slightly aft
heavy elavator is and I was going to paint it first and see if I can add
lead afterwards...Haven't thought how to do this though.
Frank
RV7a Final engine connections and then PAINT!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alf Olav Frog
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:44 AM
Subject: RV7-List: Leadweights too light?
Hi!
Thanks for the inputs regarding PVC-tube in the wings!
We're done with the empennage now and both elevators are AFT heavy.
On the right one, we adjusted it per plans, but we had to bolt the
removed leadpiece back onto the counterweight to get the elevator closer
to neutral.
On the left one, we didn't do anything to the counterweight.
I guess we can solve the problem by adding lead in the forward part of
the fiberglass tips before installing them.
Have anyone else encountered this?
The only reason I can think of is that we maybe put too much tanksealer
in the aft part of the stiffners?? (But I don't think we overdid it....)
Best regards Alf Olav Frog / Norway
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator trim too sesitive? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "RAS" <deruiteraircraftservices@btinternet.com>
Using the tab for the manual trim isn't going to resolve a potentially fast
running trim motor. The matronic governor will. Theses governors can also be
used if you wish to operate two seperate bottons for the electric trim, as
in one on each stick for example. The governor is ground adjustable by means
of a screw. It is not recommended to do this in flight.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alf Olav Frog" <alfolavf@online.no>
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 6:55 PM
Subject: RV7-List: Elevator trim too sesitive?
> Hi!
>
> I've heard some rumours that the electric elevator trim is very sensitive?
>
> A way to solve it is to slow down the trim motor maybe?
>
> We've installed the combined trimtab-horn on my left elevator, the one
> that followed with the emp kit. (The one that can be used both for manual
> and elec trim. One just trim off the part one's not using)
>
> My plan is to fly a few rides with the trim rod attached to both the
> attachment points in turn and THEN trim off the one I like the least.
>
> What does all of you aviators with flying RV's think? Is the trim too
> sensitive?
>
> Best regards Alf Olav Frog
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator trim too sesitive? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
imho: Much ado about nothing. The problem is not the trim, it's the pilot.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alf Olav Frog" <alfolavf@online.no>
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:55 AM
Subject: RV7-List: Elevator trim too sesitive?
> Hi!
>
> I've heard some rumours that the electric elevator trim is very sensitive?
>
> A way to solve it is to slow down the trim motor maybe?
>
> We've installed the combined trimtab-horn on my left elevator, the one
> that followed with the emp kit. (The one that can be used both for manual
> and elec trim. One just trim off the part one's not using)
>
> My plan is to fly a few rides with the trim rod attached to both the
> attachment points in turn and THEN trim off the one I like the least.
>
> What does all of you aviators with flying RV's think? Is the trim too
> sensitive?
>
> Best regards Alf Olav Frog
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Leadweights too light? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Make sure you've got the elevator rigged in final position before coming to
this conclusion. Maybe you did that already. But the point is -- if you
pull the elevator in closer to the HS, the weight distribution changes
relative to the hinge point.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:04 AM
Subject: RE: RV7-List: Leadweights too light?
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> Yeah I got the same thing. Not sure how much of an issue a slightly aft
> heavy elavator is and I was going to paint it first and see if I can add
> lead afterwards...Haven't thought how to do this though.
>
> Frank
> RV7a Final engine connections and then PAINT!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alf Olav Frog
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:44 AM
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV7-List: Leadweights too light?
>
> Hi!
>
> Thanks for the inputs regarding PVC-tube in the wings!
>
> We're done with the empennage now and both elevators are AFT heavy.
>
> On the right one, we adjusted it per plans, but we had to bolt the
> removed leadpiece back onto the counterweight to get the elevator closer
> to neutral.
>
> On the left one, we didn't do anything to the counterweight.
>
> I guess we can solve the problem by adding lead in the forward part of
> the fiberglass tips before installing them.
>
> Have anyone else encountered this?
>
> The only reason I can think of is that we maybe put too much tanksealer
> in the aft part of the stiffners?? (But I don't think we overdid it....)
>
> Best regards Alf Olav Frog / Norway
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator trim too sesitive? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Norman Younie <rv6capt@pacificcoast.net>
Use the hole called out for the electric trim. I don't use a gov. on
mine and it it just fine.
Cheers
Norman
Alf Olav Frog wrote:
>Hi!
>
>I've heard some rumours that the electric elevator trim is very sensitive?
>
>A way to solve it is to slow down the trim motor maybe?
>
>We've installed the combined trimtab-horn on my left elevator, the one that followed
with the emp kit. (The one that can be used both for manual and elec trim.
One just trim off the part one's not using)
>
>My plan is to fly a few rides with the trim rod attached to both the attachment
points in turn and THEN trim off the one I like the least.
>
>What does all of you aviators with flying RV's think? Is the trim too sensitive?
>
>Best regards Alf Olav Frog
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Leadweights too light? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Thanks Dan...I think its fairly close but I haven't hung the trim tab
servo on yet so it could (and probably is) miles off at present.
Working on the principle that this is one of the last jobs and Must be
easier than some of the other crap I've had to work through.
RV newbie advice coming...Stick with the Bendix servo! unless you really
want a left hand throttle..
Frank
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Checkoway
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: RV7-List: Leadweights too light?
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
Make sure you've got the elevator rigged in final position before coming
to this conclusion. Maybe you did that already. But the point is -- if
you pull the elevator in closer to the HS, the weight distribution
changes relative to the hinge point.
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 11:04 AM
Subject: RE: RV7-List: Leadweights too light?
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> Yeah I got the same thing. Not sure how much of an issue a slightly
aft
> heavy elavator is and I was going to paint it first and see if I can
add
> lead afterwards...Haven't thought how to do this though.
>
> Frank
> RV7a Final engine connections and then PAINT!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alf Olav
Frog
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 10:44 AM
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV7-List: Leadweights too light?
>
> Hi!
>
> Thanks for the inputs regarding PVC-tube in the wings!
>
> We're done with the empennage now and both elevators are AFT heavy.
>
> On the right one, we adjusted it per plans, but we had to bolt the
> removed leadpiece back onto the counterweight to get the elevator
closer
> to neutral.
>
> On the left one, we didn't do anything to the counterweight.
>
> I guess we can solve the problem by adding lead in the forward part of
> the fiberglass tips before installing them.
>
> Have anyone else encountered this?
>
> The only reason I can think of is that we maybe put too much
tanksealer
> in the aft part of the stiffners?? (But I don't think we overdid
it....)
>
> Best regards Alf Olav Frog / Norway
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Elevator trim too sesitive? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net>
I think the issue is too sensitive at what airspeed? Some have said it's
too slow with the flaps out (low airspeed) and too fast/sensitive at cruise.
Rocket Boy products and Matronics both make two speed relays to allow you to
cover both ends of the spectrum. High speed when flaps are deployed and
lower speed at cruise. They also cover, Pilot Co-Pilot override and runaway
trim issues.
http://www.f1-rocketboy.com/tcm.html
Bill S
7a Wiring
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alf Olav Frog
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 12:56 PM
Subject: RV7-List: Elevator trim too sesitive?
Hi!
I've heard some rumours that the electric elevator trim is very sensitive?
A way to solve it is to slow down the trim motor maybe?
We've installed the combined trimtab-horn on my left elevator, the one that
followed with the emp kit. (The one that can be used both for manual and
elec trim. One just trim off the part one's not using)
My plan is to fly a few rides with the trim rod attached to both the
attachment points in turn and THEN trim off the one I like the least.
What does all of you aviators with flying RV's think? Is the trim too
sensitive?
Best regards Alf Olav Frog
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator trim too sesitive? |
--> RV7-List message posted by: Norman Younie <rv6capt@pacificcoast.net>
Just build your plane and forget whether it will be too slow or to fast.
Fly it first and then decided for yourself.after you have a few hours on it.
Cheers
Norman
Bill Schlatterer wrote:
>--> RV7-List message posted by: "Bill Schlatterer" <billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net>
>
>I think the issue is too sensitive at what airspeed? Some have said it's
>too slow with the flaps out (low airspeed) and too fast/sensitive at cruise.
>Rocket Boy products and Matronics both make two speed relays to allow you to
>cover both ends of the spectrum. High speed when flaps are deployed and
>lower speed at cruise. They also cover, Pilot Co-Pilot override and runaway
>trim issues.
>
>http://www.f1-rocketboy.com/tcm.html
>
>
>Bill S
>7a Wiring
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alf Olav Frog
>Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 12:56 PM
>To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV7-List: Elevator trim too sesitive?
>
>Hi!
>
>I've heard some rumours that the electric elevator trim is very sensitive?
>
>A way to solve it is to slow down the trim motor maybe?
>
>We've installed the combined trimtab-horn on my left elevator, the one that
>followed with the emp kit. (The one that can be used both for manual and
>elec trim. One just trim off the part one's not using)
>
>My plan is to fly a few rides with the trim rod attached to both the
>attachment points in turn and THEN trim off the one I like the least.
>
>What does all of you aviators with flying RV's think? Is the trim too
>sensitive?
>
>Best regards Alf Olav Frog
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> RV7-List message posted by: "Deb and Bernard Weiss" <weissmntc@earthlink.net>
Dan,
I am getting ready to start my panel design and I am hearing conflicting
reports about the grand rapids EFIS. Do you know of people who are flying
this system, could you forward me their names so that I could get their
opinions. The alternative is Chelton, but I think that is just tooooo
expensive for an RV7. Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS question |
--> RV7-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
By Dan I assume you might mean me, so I'm responding.
I know Walter Tondu is flying with a 2 or 3 screen GRT EFIS setup. I'm sure
he can comment on it, although I don't think he has much flight time on it
yet. I know there are lots of others flying with it, so you may want to
post to Doug's VAF Forums (http://www.vansairforce.net and click Forums).
What I've seen of the GRT engine monitor, I don't like. And the EFIS, while
it has a lot of functionality, has a pretty cheeseball screen. Paying
thousands and thousands of dollars for something like that didn't appeal to
me, personally. Everybody has an opinion! I obviously do! ;-)
As far as Chelton goes, I don't understand why people put the megabucks into
those systems. Hangar queens with fancy EFIS systems and they never or
rarely travel. And they surely aren't pounding the IFR hours onto the
plane. Ok, I'm generalizing, but still. For a predominantly VFR airplane,
why the heck do you need all that crap? Another $10,000 to spare sure buys
an awful lot of avgas, tiedown fees, hotels, restaurants, rental cars, etc.
IMHO: Build your plane to be simple, functional, reliable, and SAFE. Then
fly the crap out of it and enjoy the view! ;-)
do not archive
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D (800+ hours)
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deb and Bernard Weiss" <weissmntc@earthlink.net>
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 5:29 PM
Subject: RV7-List: EFIS question
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "Deb and Bernard Weiss"
> <weissmntc@earthlink.net>
>
> Dan,
> I am getting ready to start my panel design and I am hearing conflicting
> reports about the grand rapids EFIS. Do you know of people who are flying
> this system, could you forward me their names so that I could get their
> opinions. The alternative is Chelton, but I think that is just tooooo
> expensive for an RV7. Thanks
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS question |
For a lot of dialog by some GRT users you might want to sign up for
GRT_EFIS@yahoogroups.com
and subscribe to the email.
LOTS of happy users and a few pretty pictures every now and then.
James
On 2/13/06, Dan Checkoway <dan@rvproject.com> wrote:
>
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
>
> By Dan I assume you might mean me, so I'm responding.
>
> I know Walter Tondu is flying with a 2 or 3 screen GRT EFIS setup. I'm
> sure
> he can comment on it, although I don't think he has much flight time on it
> yet. I know there are lots of others flying with it, so you may want to
> post to Doug's VAF Forums (http://www.vansairforce.net and click Forums).
>
> What I've seen of the GRT engine monitor, I don't like. And the EFIS,
> while
> it has a lot of functionality, has a pretty cheeseball screen. Paying
> thousands and thousands of dollars for something like that didn't appeal
> to
> me, personally. Everybody has an opinion! I obviously do! ;-)
>
> As far as Chelton goes, I don't understand why people put the megabucks
> into
> those systems. Hangar queens with fancy EFIS systems and they never or
> rarely travel. And they surely aren't pounding the IFR hours onto the
> plane. Ok, I'm generalizing, but still. For a predominantly VFR
> airplane,
> why the heck do you need all that crap? Another $10,000 to spare sure
> buys
> an awful lot of avgas, tiedown fees, hotels, restaurants, rental cars,
> etc.
>
> IMHO: Build your plane to be simple, functional, reliable, and
> SAFE. Then
> fly the crap out of it and enjoy the view! ;-)
>
> do not archive
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D (800+ hours)
> http://www.rvproject.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Deb and Bernard Weiss" <weissmntc@earthlink.net>
> To: <rv7-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 5:29 PM
> Subject: RV7-List: EFIS question
>
>
> > --> RV7-List message posted by: "Deb and Bernard Weiss"
> > <weissmntc@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Dan,
> > I am getting ready to start my panel design and I am hearing conflicting
> > reports about the grand rapids EFIS. Do you know of people who are
> flying
> > this system, could you forward me their names so that I could get their
> > opinions. The alternative is Chelton, but I think that is just tooooo
> > expensive for an RV7. Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: EFIS question |
I've been flying three screens for over a year and have owned the units
almost 18 months. Please email me off-line for any information you might
want.
Regards,
On 2/13/06, Deb and Bernard Weiss <weissmntc@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "Deb and Bernard Weiss" <
> weissmntc@earthlink.net>
>
> Dan,
> I am getting ready to start my panel design and I am hearing conflicting
> reports about the grand rapids EFIS. Do you know of people who are flying
> this system, could you forward me their names so that I could get their
> opinions. The alternative is Chelton, but I think that is just tooooo
> expensive for an RV7. Thanks
>
>
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David Schaefer
RV-6A N142DS "Geek One"
www.n142ds.com
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--> RV7-List message posted by: Norman Younie <rv6capt@pacificcoast.net>
here here
Dan Checkoway wrote:
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@rvproject.com>
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> By Dan I assume you might mean me, so I'm responding.
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> I know Walter Tondu is flying with a 2 or 3 screen GRT EFIS setup.
> I'm sure he can comment on it, although I don't think he has much
> flight time on it yet. I know there are lots of others flying with
> it, so you may want to post to Doug's VAF Forums
> (http://www.vansairforce.net and click Forums).
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> What I've seen of the GRT engine monitor, I don't like. And the EFIS,
> while it has a lot of functionality, has a pretty cheeseball screen.
> Paying thousands and thousands of dollars for something like that
> didn't appeal to me, personally. Everybody has an opinion! I
> obviously do! ;-)
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> As far as Chelton goes, I don't understand why people put the
> megabucks into those systems. Hangar queens with fancy EFIS systems
> and they never or rarely travel. And they surely aren't pounding the
> IFR hours onto the plane. Ok, I'm generalizing, but still. For a
> predominantly VFR airplane, why the heck do you need all that crap?
> Another $10,000 to spare sure buys an awful lot of avgas, tiedown
> fees, hotels, restaurants, rental cars, etc.
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> IMHO: Build your plane to be simple, functional, reliable, and SAFE.
> Then fly the crap out of it and enjoy the view! ;-)
>
> do not archive
> )_( Dan
> RV-7 N714D (800+ hours)
> http://www.rvproject.com
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deb and Bernard Weiss"
> <weissmntc@earthlink.net>
> To: <rv7-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 5:29 PM
> Subject: RV7-List: EFIS question
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>> --> RV7-List message posted by: "Deb and Bernard Weiss"
>> <weissmntc@earthlink.net>
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>> Dan,
>> I am getting ready to start my panel design and I am hearing conflicting
>> reports about the grand rapids EFIS. Do you know of people who are
>> flying
>> this system, could you forward me their names so that I could get their
>> opinions. The alternative is Chelton, but I think that is just tooooo
>> expensive for an RV7. Thanks
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