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1. 07:49 AM - Re: RV7-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 05/10/06 (Lockamy, Jack L)
2. 08:18 AM - Re: Re: RV7-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 05/10/06 (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
3. 11:10 AM - Re: Re: RV7-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 05/10/06 ()
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--> RV7-List message posted by: "Lockamy, Jack L" <jack.lockamy@navy.mil>
I think your statement would have been more correctly stated by saying...."you
would be one of those "SMART builders"... by going with a Quickbuild rather than
slow build...not an "inexperienced builder".
My RV-7A kit (#71103) was a quickbuild and was my third aircraft. I'm no expert
but I'm also not a novice. I realized (as many others do) that going with a
Quickbuild kit is the only way to go! The cost difference in the big scheme
of things (about $8K extra for my wings and fuselage) was actually well worth
the extra money, saved lots of time at about $8 p/hr for foreign labor by my calculations).
I live alone and would have to have a buddy/friend stop by and
help me shoot most of those rivets if going slow build. The workmanship of the
QB kits is amazing! I nor any of my RV buddies could find a single rivet not
driven properly (I can't say the same for those rivets I had to install :-).
I also agree with your statement that there is still a tremendous amount of
work the builder will still have to complete (51%?) and as we all know, finishing
is approx. 90% of the project.
Inexperienced builders go QB....no way! Smart builders...YES!!!
My two cents,
Jack Lockamy
Camarillo, CA
RV-7A N174JL 180 hrs and FLYING!
www.jacklockamy.com
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1. 08:00 AM - Re: Quick Build vs Custom Built ()
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 08:00:12 AM PST US
From: <wlull@cox.net>
Subject: Re: RV7-List: Quick Build vs Custom Built
Cc: Gandjpappy@aol.com
--> RV7-List message posted by: <wlull@cox.net>
Greg,
It would seem you have answered your own question, reference your last sentence.
It is a question of comfort. Having spent the last two plus years on a slow
build I know my eye is critical enough now to evaluate a slow build for my comfort
level. It seems in the ads I've seen that at least the seller sees additional
value in factory quick builds as the asking price is generally higher.
IMHO, if your new to building and in a hurry then the quick build is the way to
go. Just remember you still have a large portion to build yourself and you would
be one of those "inexperienced builders". If you are experienced in building
and just want a jump start on the next project I would look at slow build
projects, carefully of course, for a better return on your investment.
Good luck!!
Bill
RV 7A Canoe
---- Gandjpappy@aol.com wrote:
> Here is what I think is different twist to an old question.
>
> I have investigated a couple of custom built kits that are at, or slightly
> beyond the quick build stage. Would a kit put together by an inexperienced
> builder be worth looking at if it included a couple thousand dollars worth of
> extras and cost about the same as a factory quick build? I keep thinking that
> I would be better off buying a new quick build kit with exactly what I
> wanted even if it ended up costing a bit more.
>
> Opinions?
>
> Thanks,
> Greg
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--> RV7-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Ya for me I would have to agree. My RV7a QB is my second airplane and I
am about 2/3rds the way through filling and sanding
fiberglass..Personally I am pretty sick of the whole thing and can't
wait for it to be finished. I miss my Wife and she is putting up with
this for now. I couldn't imagine having ANOTHER 1000 hours to do at this
point.
Having said that if I had an RV flying and I was in no hurry and didn't
mind tinkering on a project that was not taking up space that I needed
for anything else...The maybe (just maybe) I might put together a slow
build.
For me right now though I think this will be the last airplane I
build...Ask me again in 6 months...:)
Frank
STILL filling and sanding...Hoping to spray lots of paint this W/E
Do not archive
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--> RV7-List message posted by: "Lockamy, Jack L"
--> <jack.lockamy@navy.mil>
I think your statement would have been more correctly stated by
saying...."you would be one of those "SMART builders"... by going with a
Quickbuild rather than slow build...not an "inexperienced builder".
My RV-7A kit (#71103) was a quickbuild and was my third aircraft. I'm
no expert but I'm also not a novice. I realized (as many others do)
that going with a Quickbuild kit is the only way to go! The cost
difference in the big scheme of things (about $8K extra for my wings and
fuselage) was actually well worth the extra money, saved lots of time at
about $8 p/hr for foreign labor by my calculations). I live alone and
would have to have a buddy/friend stop by and help me shoot most of
those rivets if going slow build. The workmanship of the QB kits is
amazing! I nor any of my RV buddies could find a single rivet not
driven properly (I can't say the same for those rivets I had to install
:-). I also agree with your statement that there is still a tremendous
amount of work the builder will still have to complete (51%?) and as we
all know, finishing is approx. 90% of the project.
Inexperienced builders go QB....no way! Smart builders...YES!!!
My two cents,
Jack Lockamy
Camarillo, CA
RV-7A N174JL 180 hrs and FLYING!
www.jacklockamy.com
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1. 08:00 AM - Re: Quick Build vs Custom Built ()
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Time: 08:00:12 AM PST US
From: <wlull@cox.net>
Subject: Re: RV7-List: Quick Build vs Custom Built
Cc: Gandjpappy@aol.com
--> RV7-List message posted by: <wlull@cox.net>
Greg,
It would seem you have answered your own question, reference your last
sentence.
It is a question of comfort. Having spent the last two plus years on a
slow build I know my eye is critical enough now to evaluate a slow build
for my comfort level. It seems in the ads I've seen that at least the
seller sees additional value in factory quick builds as the asking price
is generally higher.
IMHO, if your new to building and in a hurry then the quick build is the
way to go. Just remember you still have a large portion to build
yourself and you would be one of those "inexperienced builders". If you
are experienced in building and just want a jump start on the next
project I would look at slow build projects, carefully of course, for a
better return on your investment.
Good luck!!
Bill
RV 7A Canoe
---- Gandjpappy@aol.com wrote:
> Here is what I think is different twist to an old question.
>
> I have investigated a couple of custom built kits that are at, or
> slightly beyond the quick build stage. Would a kit put together by an
> inexperienced
> builder be worth looking at if it included a couple thousand dollars
> worth of
> extras and cost about the same as a factory quick build? I keep
> thinking that
> I would be better off buying a new quick build kit with exactly what
> I wanted even if it ended up costing a bit more.
>
> Opinions?
>
> Thanks,
> Greg
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Cc: "Lockamy, Jack L" <jack.lockamy@navy.mil>
--> RV7-List message posted by: <wlull@cox.net>
Yup, can't disagree. I did slow build for the 'educational opportunity' but didn't
realize it was going to be a doctorate degree! My point was that even with
a quick build we will have plenty of opportunity to make lots and lots of mistakes.
I really really enjoy the building process, but, wings are so borrrring. I would
probably do a quick build too if I build another one. Although those RV3s are
really cute!
Bill
---- "Lockamy wrote:
> --> RV7-List message posted by: "Lockamy, Jack L" <jack.lockamy@navy.mil>
>
> I think your statement would have been more correctly stated by saying...."you
would be one of those "SMART builders"... by going with a Quickbuild rather
than slow build...not an "inexperienced builder".
>
> My RV-7A kit (#71103) was a quickbuild and was my third aircraft. I'm no expert
but I'm also not a novice. I realized (as many others do) that going with
a Quickbuild kit is the only way to go! The cost difference in the big scheme
of things (about $8K extra for my wings and fuselage) was actually well worth
the extra money, saved lots of time at about $8 p/hr for foreign labor by my
calculations). I live alone and would have to have a buddy/friend stop by and
help me shoot most of those rivets if going slow build. The workmanship of
the QB kits is amazing! I nor any of my RV buddies could find a single rivet
not driven properly (I can't say the same for those rivets I had to install :-).
I also agree with your statement that there is still a tremendous amount of
work the builder will still have to complete (51%?) and as we all know, finishing
is approx. 90% of the project.
>
> Inexperienced builders go QB....no way! Smart builders...YES!!!
>
> My two cents,
> Jack Lockamy
> Camarillo, CA
> RV-7A N174JL 180 hrs and FLYING!
> www.jacklockamy.com
>
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> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
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> Time: 08:00:12 AM PST US
> From: <wlull@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: Quick Build vs Custom Built
> Cc: Gandjpappy@aol.com
>
> --> RV7-List message posted by: <wlull@cox.net>
>
> Greg,
>
> It would seem you have answered your own question, reference your last sentence.
> It is a question of comfort. Having spent the last two plus years on a slow
> build I know my eye is critical enough now to evaluate a slow build for my comfort
> level. It seems in the ads I've seen that at least the seller sees additional
> value in factory quick builds as the asking price is generally higher.
>
>
> IMHO, if your new to building and in a hurry then the quick build is the way
to
> go. Just remember you still have a large portion to build yourself and you would
> be one of those "inexperienced builders". If you are experienced in building
> and just want a jump start on the next project I would look at slow build
> projects, carefully of course, for a better return on your investment.
>
> Good luck!!
>
> Bill
>
> RV 7A Canoe
> ---- Gandjpappy@aol.com wrote:
> > Here is what I think is different twist to an old question.
> >
> > I have investigated a couple of custom built kits that are at, or slightly
> > beyond the quick build stage. Would a kit put together by an inexperienced
>
> > builder be worth looking at if it included a couple thousand dollars worth
of
>
> > extras and cost about the same as a factory quick build? I keep thinking
that
>
> > I would be better off buying a new quick build kit with exactly what I
> > wanted even if it ended up costing a bit more.
> >
> > Opinions?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Greg
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