---------------------------------------------------------- RV7-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/17/06: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:05 AM - Re: RV 7 wing kit for sale (Bob Collins) 2. 06:50 AM - Re: RV 7 wing kit for sale (Steve Eberhart) 3. 07:42 AM - Re: RV 7 wing kit for sale (Joseph F. Giallo, II) 4. 08:10 AM - Re: RV 7 wing kit for sale (Jamie Painter) 5. 11:33 PM - Re: RV 7 wing kit for sale - Medical (J2j3h4@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:49 AM PST US From: "Bob Collins" Subject: RE: RV7-List: RV 7 wing kit for sale Jim. If you really DO want to fly, don't be so quick. It's a fairly common thing, actually, to not be able to pass a medical per se, but then receive a medical certificate under special issuance. I haven't "lost" my medical yet...mostly because I haven't told the FAA about my Meniere's Disease. I have grounded myself and I am working to improve the situation. But in my case, once you've got it, it's a disqualifying medical condition. Case closed, right? Not necessarily. The fact the local AME can't sign off a medical doesn't mean you can't fly. You just have to convince Okhlahoma City to grant you one under special issuance. That's a pain in the neck but -- again in my case -- buys me a little more time to (a) work the bureacracy and (b) come up with the dough to finish the plane. Like I said, consider waiting a bit and finding out more about your chances of flying before you give up. Sure, the FAA is a pain in the neck, but believe me, it's nothing compared to the "tire kickers" in the RV community who will waste your time and offer you 20 cents on the dollar for your project. One other thing, let's assume you can't even get a special issuance...why not build the plane anyway and sell it. You'll have fun building it, and you'll get more money back? Bob Collins St. Paul, Minn. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J2j3h4@aol.com Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 12:41 AM Subject: RV7-List: RV 7 wing kit for sale Since I have been informed that I cannot pass my medical, I am forced to abandon my RV 7 project and have a wing kit for sale. It has not been started and is still in the original shipping crate. I am asking $5200 for it, which was the price from Van's when I bought it, but will consider reasonable offers. The current price at Van's was $5800 the last time I checked. I also have a lot of miscellaneous items - instruments, elevator electric trim kit, wet vacuum pump, air/oil separator, empennage fairing, and probably a few other small things lying around. Please call or email if you need any of these. Do not archive. Jim Hasper 615-483-0306 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:04 AM PST US From: Steve Eberhart Subject: Re: RV7-List: RV 7 wing kit for sale --> RV7-List message posted by: Steve Eberhart Be sure you are working with a SENIOR Medical Examiner. They have a lot more latitude in making local determinations and seem to require less oversight from Oklahoma City. Steve Eberhart RV-7A, still working on ordering the fuselage and filling out the order form for the finish kit. Bob Collins wrote: > Jim. If you really DO want to fly, don't be so quick. It's a fairly > common thing, actually, to not be able to pass a medical per se, but > then receive a medical certificate under special issuance. I haven't > "lost" my medical yet...mostly because I haven't told the FAA about my > Meniere's Disease. I have grounded myself and I am working to improve > the situation. But in my case, once you've got it, it's a > disqualifying medical condition. Case closed, right? Not necessarily. > The fact the local AME can't sign off a medical doesn't mean you can't > fly. You just have to convince Okhlahoma City to grant you one under > special issuance. That's a pain in the neck but -- again in my case -- > buys me a little more time to (a) work the bureacracy and (b) come up > with the dough to finish the plane. > > Like I said, consider waiting a bit and finding out more about your > chances of flying before you give up. > > Sure, the FAA is a pain in the neck, but believe me, it's nothing > compared to the "tire kickers" in the RV community who will waste your > time and offer you 20 cents on the dollar for your project. > > One other thing, let's assume you can't even get a special > issuance...why not build the plane anyway and sell it. You'll have fun > building it, and you'll get more money back? > > Bob Collins > St. Paul, Minn. > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of > *J2j3h4@aol.com > *Sent:* Thursday, August 17, 2006 12:41 AM > *To:* rv7-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV7-List: RV 7 wing kit for sale > > Since I have been informed that I cannot pass my medical, I am > forced to abandon my RV 7 project and have a wing kit for sale. > It has not been started and is still in the original shipping > crate. I am asking $5200 for it, which was the price from Van's > when I bought it, but will consider reasonable offers. The > current price at Van's was $5800 the last time I checked. > > I also have a lot of miscellaneous items - instruments, elevator > electric trim kit, wet vacuum > pump, air/oil separator, empennage fairing, and probably a few > other small things lying around. > > Please call or email if you need any of these. > > Do not archive. > > Jim Hasper > > 615-483-0306 > >* > >.com/Navigator?RV7-List >* > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:41 AM PST US From: "Joseph F. Giallo, II" Subject: Re: RV7-List: RV 7 wing kit for sale --> RV7-List message posted by: "Joseph F. Giallo, II" Jim, I also highly recommend finding a "consultant" AME to discuss your situation. This is NOT the AME to whom you go for your actual medical exam. The value is that you can have a candid discussion about your total situation and it is in confidence. You cannot do this with the AME to whom you are submitting your medical application. He/she is required to factor any information you give them into the evaluation. As Steve mentions, going to a senior AME has advantages. Also, as I learned at OSH this year during the FAA seminar on medicals, there are many AMEs who don't seem to know what conditions they can approve on the spot without a special issuance. It is best to research the situation on the FAA web site and find that consultant AME to learn exactly what hoops you have to jump through to get it done. Good luck, Joe Steve Eberhart wrote: > --> RV7-List message posted by: Steve Eberhart > > Be sure you are working with a SENIOR Medical Examiner. They have a > lot more latitude in making local determinations and seem to require > less oversight from Oklahoma City. > > Steve Eberhart > RV-7A, still working on ordering the fuselage and filling out the > order form for the finish kit. > > Bob Collins wrote: > >> Jim. If you really DO want to fly, don't be so quick. It's a fairly >> common thing, actually, to not be able to pass a medical per se, but >> then receive a medical certificate under special issuance. I haven't >> "lost" my medical yet...mostly because I haven't told the FAA about >> my Meniere's Disease. I have grounded myself and I am working to >> improve the situation. But in my case, once you've got it, it's a >> disqualifying medical condition. Case closed, right? Not >> necessarily. The fact the local AME can't sign off a medical doesn't >> mean you can't fly. You just have to convince Okhlahoma City to grant >> you one under special issuance. That's a pain in the neck but -- >> again in my case -- buys me a little more time to (a) work the >> bureacracy and (b) come up with the dough to finish the plane. >> >> Like I said, consider waiting a bit and finding out more about your >> chances of flying before you give up. >> >> Sure, the FAA is a pain in the neck, but believe me, it's nothing >> compared to the "tire kickers" in the RV community who will waste >> your time and offer you 20 cents on the dollar for your project. >> >> One other thing, let's assume you can't even get a special >> issuance...why not build the plane anyway and sell it. You'll have >> fun building it, and you'll get more money back? >> >> Bob Collins >> St. Paul, Minn. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of >> *J2j3h4@aol.com >> *Sent:* Thursday, August 17, 2006 12:41 AM >> *To:* rv7-list@matronics.com >> *Subject:* RV7-List: RV 7 wing kit for sale >> >> Since I have been informed that I cannot pass my medical, I am >> forced to abandon my RV 7 project and have a wing kit for sale. >> It has not been started and is still in the original shipping >> crate. I am asking $5200 for it, which was the price from Van's >> when I bought it, but will consider reasonable offers. The >> current price at Van's was $5800 the last time I checked. >> I also have a lot of miscellaneous items - instruments, >> elevator >> electric trim kit, wet vacuum >> pump, air/oil separator, empennage fairing, and probably a few >> other small things lying around. >> Please call or email if you need any of these. >> Do not archive. >> Jim Hasper >> 615-483-0306 >> >> * >> >> .com/Navigator?RV7-List >> * >> > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:32 AM PST US From: Jamie Painter Subject: Re: RV7-List: RV 7 wing kit for sale --> RV7-List message posted by: Jamie Painter Also, you may wish to wait on the Medical. One of our EAA chapter members who is an AME mentioned that FAA is going to start allowing AME's to grant some special issuances. I'm not aware of the details at all, but it may be something worth checking into. do not archive Jamie Painter http://rv.jpainter.org ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:33:55 PM PST US From: J2j3h4@aol.com Subject: Re: RV7-List: RV 7 wing kit for sale - Medical Sincere thanks to all who wrote to give me advice about my medical. I really do appreciate your concern, but will explain further why I've decided to give up the RV 7. I was already flying under a special issuance medical due to having a pace maker and stents in 2 arteries. Under the SIM I was required to periodically submit full medical data (stress test, EKG, pacemaker test and log, etc) even before the medical was due for reexamination. I sent in the last submittal a couple of months before the medical was due to expire, but didn't hear anything back until after it had expired. I then received a letter from the FFA stating that they had reviewed my records and found that I was not eligible for any class license. They further stated "if you reapply, we will have no choice to deny you". >From this, and AOPA agrees, I infer that they have not actually denied my medical, and I am therefore still eligible for Sport Pilot. I considered contesting their ruling, since my cardiologist says there has been no change in my condition since my previous submittal, but I decided that I would then be playing Russian roulette. That is, they could deny me at any time, and then my flying options would be even more limited - ultralight, glider, or motor glider. I agree that building is a great joy, but rather than finishing the RV 7 and then selling it, I've decided to build a Sonex instead. The Sonex is the closest thing to an RV 7 that I could find in the LSA class. (Sorry, but the RV 12 just doesn't cut it - it's not aerobatic and it won't be available for another year). After all, I'm now 70 years old and don't want to wait the year or 2 to finish the RV 7 and then another year or 2 to build the Sonex, and I can't afford a ready-built. I did fly gliders a bit and in fact soloed, but it's a 2 hour drive to the nearest glider club. There is a commercial glider operation about a 1 hour drive away, but they are VERY expensive, especially in the learning stage where you are concentrating on a particular task and often get less than an hour flight per tow (maybe only a few minutes if you are practicing recovery from tow line breaks). Thanks again for the advice and concern. It's great to know such a caring, helpful, bunch of guys. Jim Hasper