---------------------------------------------------------- RV7-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/29/07: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:10 AM - Left Elevator - rivets don't fit (Bruce Swayze) 2. 04:57 AM - Re: Left Elevator - rivets don't fit (andrew phillips) 3. 10:42 AM - Re: Left Elevator - rivets don't fit (Scott R. Shook) 4. 11:10 AM - RV-List: Left Elevator - rivets don't fit (Bruce Swayze) 5. 06:53 PM - Avionics Mounting (Greg Vouga) 6. 08:13 PM - Re: Avionics Mounting (Lamar Lawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:10:36 AM PST US From: Bruce Swayze Subject: RV7-List: Left Elevator - rivets don't fit Hi Everybody, I'm working on the left elevator for my RV-7A, and I ran into a frustrating problem with some of the blind rivets required. There are 4 blind rivets on the top and 4 on the bottom of the skin, that hold the skin to the outboard end of the E-606PP Trim Spar. This is the aft spar on the elevator that carries the trim tab, and these are the rivets forward and to the left of the little tabs that you bend over on the skin surfaces. The rivets called for are MK-319-BS blind rivets. They have brass-colored shafts. I tried every one of the rivets included with my empennage kit, and none of them will fit in a #40 dimpled hole. I tried a #30 hole in a piece of scrap, and it's way too big. Nothing about this is mentioned on the drawings or in the plans. All the other holes in this part are #40, and the standard AN326AD3-3.5 rivets fit just fine. Am I missing something? Did I get a bum batch of pop rivets? Or do I drill out the holes a little bit bigger? If so, what size? I'm wondering if anyone else ran into this. Thanks. Bruce Swayze RV-7A Empennage -- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:42 AM PST US From: andrew phillips Subject: Re: RV7-List: Left Elevator - rivets don't fit dill them to 7/64" Bruce Swayze wrote: > > Hi Everybody, > I'm working on the left elevator for my RV-7A, and I ran into a > frustrating problem with some of the blind rivets required. There are > 4 blind rivets on the top and 4 on the bottom of the skin, that hold > the skin to the outboard end of the E-606PP Trim Spar. This is the aft > spar on the elevator that carries the trim tab, and these are the > rivets forward and to the left of the little tabs that you bend over > on the skin surfaces. The rivets called for are MK-319-BS blind > rivets. They have brass-colored shafts. I tried every one of the > rivets included with my empennage kit, and none of them will fit in a > #40 dimpled hole. I tried a #30 hole in a piece of scrap, and it's way > too big. Nothing about this is mentioned on the drawings or in the > plans. All the other holes in this part are #40, and the standard > AN326AD3-3.5 rivets fit just fine. Am I missing something? Did I get a > bum batch of pop rivets? Or do I drill out the holes a little bit > bigger? If so, what size? I'm wondering if anyone else ran into this. > Thanks. > > Bruce Swayze > RV-7A Empennage > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:42:06 AM PST US From: "Scott R. Shook" Subject: RE: RV7-List: Left Elevator - rivets don't fit Like Andrew said...7/64" Scott R. Shook RV-7A (Building) N696JS (Reserved) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of andrew phillips Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 04:55 Subject: Re: RV7-List: Left Elevator - rivets don't fit dill them to 7/64" Bruce Swayze wrote: > > Hi Everybody, > I'm working on the left elevator for my RV-7A, and I ran into a > frustrating problem with some of the blind rivets required. There are > 4 blind rivets on the top and 4 on the bottom of the skin, that hold > the skin to the outboard end of the E-606PP Trim Spar. This is the aft > spar on the elevator that carries the trim tab, and these are the > rivets forward and to the left of the little tabs that you bend over > on the skin surfaces. The rivets called for are MK-319-BS blind > rivets. They have brass-colored shafts. I tried every one of the > rivets included with my empennage kit, and none of them will fit in a > #40 dimpled hole. I tried a #30 hole in a piece of scrap, and it's way > too big. Nothing about this is mentioned on the drawings or in the > plans. All the other holes in this part are #40, and the standard > AN326AD3-3.5 rivets fit just fine. Am I missing something? Did I get a > bum batch of pop rivets? Or do I drill out the holes a little bit > bigger? If so, what size? I'm wondering if anyone else ran into this. > Thanks. > > Bruce Swayze > RV-7A Empennage > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:10:46 AM PST US From: Bruce Swayze Subject: RV7-List: RV-List: Left Elevator - rivets don't fit Thanks, everyone, for your input and help.What a great resource this list is! I learn something every day. Do not archive -- ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:22 PM PST US From: "Greg Vouga" Subject: RV7-List: Avionics Mounting Hi All, I am hoping to get some info on mounting a stack of Garmin equipment in my RV-7A. I just received a GMA-340, GNS-430W, SL-30, and GTX-327 with mounting trays. I'm told that the rest of the mounting hardware such as screws, brackets, etc. are not included. I can start looking for low profile screws and fabricate brackets, but I don't want to re-invent the wheel if it's not necessary. Are there reasonably priced installation kits out there? How have others handled this? Thanks in advance, Greg gvouga@gmail.com _________________________________________________________________ 5.5%* 30 year fixed mortgage rate. Good credit refinance. Up to 5 free quotes - *Terms https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h2a5d&s=4056&p=5117&disc=y&vers=910 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:12 PM PST US From: "Lamar Lawson" Subject: Re: RV7-List: Avionics Mounting Greg, I have a simalar setup. Pma8000, 430, and 327. sl30 or 40 to come later. I have the affordable panels xl panel. what i did was make the panel with 063 angles to hold the instrument trays as per the directions. i then mocked the instruments up and set them up were i wanted them. I then removed the instruments from the trays and drew a line for reference to keep the instruments lined up. i then started at the top of the panel and worked my way down. I put the intercom tray in and lined the holes up with my line and drilled the holes to the size to tap a #6 screw. Did i mention i went to the hardware store and purchased a drill and tap kit for #6 screws (comes with a bit and tap), well now i did. I used 3/32 clecos to hold the tray in place as i moved from one hole to the next. I made sure it was level by leveling the fus and then checked the panel trays, i also used a builders square to make sure everything looked correct. so i drilled the holes and then put screws in to hold the try. I used flat head #6s. the smalllest i could find were 1/2 but funny thing is im a computer nerd and the screws that hold hard drives in computers are #6 1/4 these worked a lot better. so i held the instrument in place with the screws and then mocked up the next instrument. I did this to make sure the faces lined up. Everything was on the line i drew except the 430 it had to be set back just a tad to make all the faces line up with the other instruments. I just worked my way down till i had holes drilled and tapped all the way down both angles. I have seen this done in two other airplanes, RV9As but the 9 and 7 are the same panel. Im sure there are a dozen other ways to mount your radios, i liked this way because im a kiss kind of guy. Good luck and if you need pictures, let me know. Thanks, Lamar - N969LS - RV7A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Vouga" Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 8:52 PM Subject: RV7-List: Avionics Mounting > > Hi All, > > I am hoping to get some info on mounting a stack of Garmin equipment in my > RV-7A. I just received a GMA-340, GNS-430W, SL-30, and GTX-327 with > mounting trays. I'm told that the rest of the mounting hardware such as > screws, brackets, etc. are not included. > > I can start looking for low profile screws and fabricate brackets, but I > don't want to re-invent the wheel if it's not necessary. Are there > reasonably priced installation kits out there? How have others handled > this? > > Thanks in advance, > > Greg > gvouga@gmail.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > 5.5%* 30 year fixed mortgage rate. Good credit refinance. 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