---------------------------------------------------------- RV7-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 04/18/07: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:25 AM - get a grip (PeterHunt1@aol.com) 2. 06:40 AM - Re: get a grip (Darwin N. Barrie) 3. 10:12 AM - Re: get a grip () 4. 10:51 AM - Re: Re: get a grip (Dan Checkoway) 5. 07:23 PM - Anyone out there? (Darrell Reiley) 6. 08:11 PM - Re: Anyone out there? (Charlie England) 7. 08:26 PM - Re: PAX Stick (Bill Schlatterer) 8. 08:39 PM - Re: Anyone out there? (Darrell Reiley) 9. 09:24 PM - Re: PAX Stick (Darrell Reiley) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:10 AM PST US From: PeterHunt1@aol.com Subject: RV7-List: get a grip Don, I have full IFR with infinity grips in my RV-6. Both the pilot and copilot switches are wired the same with a toggle switch on the floor between the seats which disconnects the ground on the copilots switches and so makes them inoperable (pilot switches always active). The toggle switch has a "lift to switch" feature so it doesn't accidentally get moved (the stem of the toggle must be pulled to switch it over). For the copilot I put a second PTT button on the far right of my panel along with a micro switch which engages either the stick PTT or the panel button PTT. Both grips have the following: PTT coolie hat up - com flip flop coolie hat down - transponder ident starter (wired through a relay with a safety switch on the panel) - allows starting while holding grip back Auto pilot switch (switches auto pilot on and off) Altitude engage/disengage Auto pilot disengage I believe you can put too much on the grip which detracts from safe flying. Manual aileron and elevator trims are more sensitive, so I did not go with electric trim. Look me up at Sun n' Fun if you attend as I think my grip and panel layout is the best I have seen in an RV (N216PH, 2006 Sun 'n Fun RESERVE GRAND CHAMPION). Pete in Clearwater RV-6, two tone metallic teal on white ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:26 AM PST US From: "Darwin N. Barrie" Subject: Re: RV7-List: get a grip On my 7, I have the Ray Allen with 4 buttons and front PTT. I have electric trim on elevator only. I use what would be the aileron trim buttons for an Comm 1 Flip/Flop on left switch and AP disconnect on the right switch. I have nothing on the co pilot stick to ease the removal, AND, I've found that in nearly 200 hours and 50 passengers later, there has been not one incidence where the co pilot had a need to use any functions. I do have a co pilot PTT switch on the panel. My recommendation would be to keep it as simple as possible. In no case would I put a starter or flaps on the stick. There is simply too much of an opportunity hit them in turbulent conditions. Remember this is a fun airplane that is meant to be relatively simple, not an F18!!!! Darwin N. Barrie Chandler AZ RV7 N717EE ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:12:48 AM PST US From: Subject: RV7-List: Re: get a grip KISS - Keep It simple stupid. PTT, that is it, period, may be Trim. You are more likely to have inadvertent deployment the more buttons you have on the stick. Just put the trim or flaps near or even on the throttle (so you can do it by feel). George >From: Don Hall >Subject: RV7-List: get a grip > >For my rv7 flying, I eventually want to get into light aero and some >formation. It will be equipped for full IFR, but I generally avoid >IFR when I can - maybe using that privilege to bust through some not- >so-low overcast at one end or the other of a trip. So the question >is what buttons do I want on the grip > >- trim >- ptt >- disc-ap? >- flip-flop on com1? >- flaps? --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:39 AM PST US From: "Dan Checkoway" Subject: Re: RV7-List: Re: get a grip Imho it depends on the type of switches you use. Sure, if you use a "bat" style toggle switch for your flaps, something could hit it or catch on it. But if you use a single-axis coolie, so to speak (I'm not sure of the name for it, but it's like a coolie hat that just moves in one axis), then how is that any more dangerous than having a coolie hat for trim?! Flying a Mooney M20F with Precise Flight speed brakes, I once inadvertently slapped a map down on the yoke as I was reading it. I heard & felt a rumbling and saw the red light on the panel...doh! I had smacked the speed brake button. FWIW, there is nothing like that on my RV-7's stick. Everything is protected from typical situations like that. You couldn't convince me to get the flap control off my stick -- but remember it's not a toggle switch. It's a LOW PROFILE single-axis "slider" coolie whatever. )_( Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com To: rv7-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:11 AM Subject: RV7-List: Re: get a grip KISS - Keep It simple stupid. PTT, that is it, period, may be Trim. You are more likely to have inadvertent deployment the more buttons you have on the stick. Just put the trim or flaps near or even on the throttle (so you can do it by feel). George >From: Don Hall >Subject: RV7-List: get a grip > >For my rv7 flying, I eventually want to get into light aero and some >formation. It will be equipped for full IFR, but I generally avoid >IFR when I can - maybe using that privilege to bust through some not- >so-low overcast at one end or the other of a trip. So the question >is what buttons do I want on the grip > >- trim >- ptt >- disc-ap? >- flip-flop on com1? >- flaps? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check out new cars at Yahoo! Autos. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:26 PM PST US From: Darrell Reiley Subject: RV7-List: Anyone out there? The PAX stick question must not be a good topic? Darrell __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:47 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: RV7-List: Anyone out there? Darrell Reiley wrote: > > The PAX stick question must not be a good topic? > > Darrell > Sun & Fun man, Sun & Fun. I'll bet you will get better response if you try again next week. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:24 PM PST US From: "Bill Schlatterer" Subject: RE: RV7-List: PAX Stick Here is my variation on that theme. This is just another way to handle the Pax wiring. Used a DB9 connector inset into the pax control stick just above the area that goes into the column. Sorry for the bad pix. Plugs or unplugs easily to remove stick. Adel clamp makes sure there is no interference. Loop goes in the open area of the seat. Will probably use a little custom clip on the DB9 to make sure it stays in place when you want it to. Bill S 7a Ark -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Reiley Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:55 PM Subject: RV7-List: PAX Stick --> Question... If a person was to bolt a cut down version of the PAX stick in place as per the SB, to extend say an inch or so above seat pan, an then put a tight fitted slip over stick with a removable locking push pin would this work? Then... install a male fixed plug in the stub coming up, a fixed female plug the removable stick for switch options? I know they use this type of set-up for removable lights on boats. Just an idea... Darrell __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:39 PM PST US From: Darrell Reiley Subject: Re: RV7-List: Anyone out there? You're probably right, I was figuring the WIFI thing might be popular out there... guess not. ;-) Darrell do not archive --- Charlie England wrote: > > > Darrell Reiley wrote: > > > > > The PAX stick question must not be a good topic? > > > > Darrell > > Sun & Fun man, Sun & Fun. > > I'll bet you will get better response if you try > again next week. > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List > > Web Forums! > > > > > __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:24:13 PM PST US From: Darrell Reiley Subject: RE: RV7-List: PAX Stick Bill, I must say... that is a brilliant idea. The pic came out well enough to make the point. Thanks for the reply. Darrell do not archive --- Bill Schlatterer wrote: > Here is my variation on that theme. This is just > another way to handle the > Pax wiring. Used a DB9 connector inset into the pax > control stick just > above the area that goes into the column. Sorry for > the bad pix. Plugs or > unplugs easily to remove stick. Adel clamp makes > sure there is no > interference. Loop goes in the open area of the > seat. Will probably use a > little custom clip on the DB9 to make sure it stays > in place when you want > it to. > > Bill S > 7a Ark > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of Darrell Reiley > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:55 PM > To: rv7-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV7-List: PAX Stick > > --> > > Question... > > If a person was to bolt a cut down version of the > PAX stick in place as per > the SB, to extend say an inch or so above seat pan, > an then put a tight > fitted slip over stick with a removable locking push > pin would this work? > Then... install a male fixed plug in the stub coming > up, a fixed female plug > the removable stick for switch options? I know they > use this type of set-up > for removable lights on boats. Just an idea... > > Darrell > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > __________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv7-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV7-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv7-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv7-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.