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1. 04:53 AM - Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability (Tad Sargent)
2. 05:29 AM - Re: Pitot/Static plumbing with Ny-Loc fittings? (andrew phillips)
3. 06:14 AM - Re: Pitot/Static plumbing with Ny-Loc fittings? (Charles Reiche)
4. 07:16 AM - Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability (J. Brunke)
5. 07:50 AM - Re: E-Mag (Darwin N. Barrie)
6. 08:35 AM - F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck structure) (ceengland@bellsouth.net)
7. 09:50 AM - Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability (Tad Sargent)
8. 09:52 AM - Re: F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck structure) (TimUK@aol.com)
9. 10:24 AM - Re: F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck structure) (Bob Collins)
10. 02:06 PM - Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability (J. Brunke)
11. 02:23 PM - Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability (Stan)
12. 02:47 PM - Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability (Darrell Reiley)
13. 03:05 PM - Re: F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck structure) (ceengland@bellsouth.net)
14. 03:10 PM - Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
15. 03:15 PM - Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability (Konrad L. Werner)
16. 03:18 PM - Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability (Konrad L. Werner)
17. 03:49 PM - Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability (Tad Sargent)
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| Subject: | E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability |
I know of two instances first hand. Both installs began acceptably then
both died. I know this is a short answer but I would go with either Mags or
Lightspeed Ignitions.
I have had mags for 359 hours, trouble free. I am installing one lightspeed
box soon. I like the idea of p-mags but for the same cash lightspeeds win
the contest for me. They have fewer moving parts and NO software updates.
Secondly, any A&P can work on them should you need to have them looked at.
As for the power generation aspect of the P=mags I don't buy it. The
reliability of your engine does not require it. Your car is set up much
like the lightspeed ignition.
Your milage may vary
Tad Sargent
7A
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Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:57 PM
Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
I am about ready to order my engine and considering using an E-mag and P-mag
instead of slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has comments about
how they like them and if they have had any problems. I talked to someone
this weekend and they said they heard that they have had some bugs and
concerned about the reliability. I would aprreciate any input.
Thanks,
Jason
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot/Static plumbing with Ny-Loc fittings? |
These are under very low pressure so I used just a little teflon tape
(probably could get away with nothing). Some quick release fittings that
came in a kit I bought had the tape already on them too.
Allen Fulmer wrote:
>
>When plumbing ASI, ALT, AHRS, etc. with Ny-Loc fittings, do we use anything
>on the pipe threads? Teflon tape, EZ-turn lubricant, etc.?
>
>TIA,
>
>Allen Fulmer
>RV7 Avionics and wiring
>Eggenfellner Subaru E6T on hand
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>Alexander City, AL
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| Subject: | Re: Pitot/Static plumbing with Ny-Loc fittings? |
I just did a pitot-static inspection on a new g100 cessna 172 yesterday and
there were leaks everywhere.... check the pipe thread segment of your
connections that go into the instrument for what i will call "crappy
manufacturing" These little suckers are molded and sometimes are left with
a flash line that runs down the thread. I took out all the instruments that
were easy to get at and put teflon tape on the fittings, finally getting the
leak rate down to about 80ft/min at 1000' above my field elevation. Good
enough!
I have also heard or using DC-4 silicone lubricant instead of the EZ-turn
honey like stuff that can just lead to a mess.
Charles
----- Original Message -----
From: "andrew phillips" <andrew.phillips@sympatico.ca>
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: RV7-List: Pitot/Static plumbing with Ny-Loc fittings?
> <andrew.phillips@sympatico.ca>
>
> These are under very low pressure so I used just a little teflon tape
> (probably could get away with nothing). Some quick release fittings that
> came in a kit I bought had the tape already on them too.
>
> Allen Fulmer wrote:
>
>>
>>When plumbing ASI, ALT, AHRS, etc. with Ny-Loc fittings, do we use
>>anything
>>on the pipe threads? Teflon tape, EZ-turn lubricant, etc.?
>>
>>TIA,
>>
>>Allen Fulmer
>>RV7 Avionics and wiring
>>Eggenfellner Subaru E6T on hand
>>N808AF reserved
>>Alexander City, AL
>>256-329-2001
>>
>>
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>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability |
Tad,
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Lightspeed need a second
battery as a backup power source?
There is a lot of info out there on the P-mags. Yes there were
software problems in the beginning, but from searching
on the web I found that the manufacturers did a good job of standing
behind their product and have pretty well taken
care of the problems. Knowing that someone will stand behind their
product is very important to me.
The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed.
I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to use
automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags.
Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to
reduce some of the overall complexity (weight).
Happy building,
John Brunke
RV7, tip-up in progress
----- Original Message -----
From: Tad Sargent
To: rv7-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:51 AM
Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
I know of two instances first hand. Both installs began acceptably
then both died. I know this is a short answer but I would go with
either Mags or Lightspeed Ignitions.
I have had mags for 359 hours, trouble free. I am installing one
lightspeed box soon. I like the idea of p-mags but for the same cash
lightspeeds win the contest for me. They have fewer moving parts and NO
software updates. Secondly, any A&P can work on them should you need to
have them looked at. As for the power generation aspect of the
P=mags I don't buy it. The reliability of your engine does not
require it. Your car is set up much like the lightspeed ignition.
Your milage may vary
Tad Sargent
7A
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Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:57 PM
To: rv7-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
I am about ready to order my engine and considering using an E-mag and
P-mag instead of slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has
comments about how they like them and if they have had any problems. I
talked to someone this weekend and they said they heard that they have
had some bugs and concerned about the reliability. I would aprreciate
any input.
Thanks,
Jason
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I believe most of the early problems have been worked out. I had some
early version of the E and Pmags. I have had 4 failures in the first 250
hours. Two of them were mechanical in nature when a magnet housing came
loose inside. As a result they have modified the method the magnet is
secured. The other two were another issue that also has been corrected.
I have the latest and greatest versions now.
In each case I used the switch to isolate the offending mag and operate
the remainder of the flight on the good mag. I did not feel my safety
was in jeopardy in any way. If so I wouldn't be using them.
If you are going to have a mag problem at least these are really simple
to work on. I can remove and replace in less than an hour.
The performance is excellent. Starts are instantaneous and everything
runs very smooth. I have no imperical evidence but I believe the Pmags
give a little power boost.
The fact of the Experimental world is that we, the end user, do most of
the testing on new products. This allows us to get exceptional products
at much lower costs than the Certified world. The Pmags are no
exception.
I have confidence in the product. The company support is incredible.
Brad and Tom are committed to putting out the best possible product.
Yeah there were some issues, but I think they may have the bulk of them
solved.
Many ignition systems have had problems. They just don't get the press
that newest kid on the block is getting when something does go wrong.
Hope this helps. Feel free to contact me if you have any other
questions.
Darwin N. Barrie
Chandler, AZ
RV7 N 717EE
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| Subject: | F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck structure) |
Any -7 tipup builders out there that just received their finish kit?
I'm working on the front deck of the fuse & I'd like to fit the F-643-1 center
channel, but it butts against a flange of the F697 hat section & this piece is
included in the finish kit, not the fuse kit.
Can someone measure the material thickness of the F697 for me?
Thanks,
Charlie
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| Subject: | E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability |
Your question tells me your mind is made up. As in any man made device it
is subject to failure, but a double failure in your electrical system. What
are the chances your battery and your alternator system fail at the same
time. I am using one mag and one lightspeed. Most airshow performers use
Lightspeed Ignition. I think in any system you buy you pay your money then
go from there. The failures I spoke about were within the last several
months with updated software systems.
"The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed."
"I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to use
automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags.
Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to
reduce some of the overall complexity (weight)." (snip)
Is the racing crowd interested in reliability?
You did not mention a performance gain with P-mags. Slick mags are self
powering, reliable, and cost efficient and the plugs last a very long time.
You asked for observations and comments.
Regards,
Tad
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[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. Brunke
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
Tad,
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Lightspeed need a second battery as
a backup power source?
There is a lot of info out there on the P-mags. Yes there were software
problems in the beginning, but from searching
on the web I found that the manufacturers did a good job of standing behind
their product and have pretty well taken
care of the problems. Knowing that someone will stand behind their product
is very important to me.
The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed.
I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to use
automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags.
Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to
reduce some of the overall complexity (weight).
Happy building,
John Brunke
RV7, tip-up in progress
----- Original Message -----
From: Tad <mailto:Tadsargent@bellsouth.net> Sargent
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:51 AM
Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
I know of two instances first hand. Both installs began acceptably then
both died. I know this is a short answer but I would go with either Mags or
Lightspeed Ignitions.
I have had mags for 359 hours, trouble free. I am installing one lightspeed
box soon. I like the idea of p-mags but for the same cash lightspeeds win
the contest for me. They have fewer moving parts and NO software updates.
Secondly, any A&P can work on them should you need to have them looked at.
As for the power generation aspect of the P=mags I don't buy it. The
reliability of your engine does not require it. Your car is set up much
like the lightspeed ignition.
Your milage may vary
Tad Sargent
7A
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Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:57 PM
Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
I am about ready to order my engine and considering using an E-mag and P-mag
instead of slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has comments about
how they like them and if they have had any problems. I talked to someone
this weekend and they said they heard that they have had some bugs and
concerned about the reliability. I would aprreciate any input.
Thanks,
Jason
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| Subject: | Re: F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck structure) |
Had the same issue. If you look at the miniature drawings in the back of the
construction manual there is a drawing showing the part with sizes ( I THINK
its page 41). I went ahead and ordered this part by itself its about $
9.00 whilst I am waiting for my finish kit.
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| Subject: | F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck structure) |
Be careful about installing it now. It turns out there some reasons it ships
with the finishing kit. I can't exactly remember what they are now (of
course), but there are nutplates that need to be installed, cutouts thta
need to be made.. that require the rest of the tip-up release parts in
place etc. I stuck mine on there early, then had to drill it out.
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Subject: Re: RV7-List: F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck structure)
Had the same issue. If you look at the miniature drawings in the back of the
construction manual there is a drawing showing the part with sizes ( I THINK
its page 41). I went ahead and ordered this part by itself its about $
9.00 whilst I am waiting for my finish kit.
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| Subject: | Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability |
Hey Tad,
I was not putting down the light speed at all. It's obviously a good
system, if not Klaus would be out of business.
This question was put forth by another lister. My only question to you
was about the second power source.
Sorry I got you seeing red in my writing.
John Brunke
----- Original Message -----
From: Tad Sargent
To: rv7-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:49 AM
Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
Your question tells me your mind is made up. As in any man made
device it is subject to failure, but a double failure in your electrical
system. What are the chances your battery and your alternator system
fail at the same time. I am using one mag and one lightspeed. Most
airshow performers use Lightspeed Ignition. I think in any system you
buy you pay your money then go from there. The failures I spoke about
were within the last several months with updated software systems.
"The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed."
"I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to use
automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags.
Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to
reduce some of the overall complexity (weight)." (snip)
Is the racing crowd interested in reliability?
You did not mention a performance gain with P-mags. Slick mags are
self powering, reliable, and cost efficient and the plugs last a very
long time.
You asked for observations and comments.
Regards,
Tad
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[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. Brunke
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:18 AM
To: rv7-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
Tad,
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Lightspeed need a second
battery as a backup power source?
There is a lot of info out there on the P-mags. Yes there were
software problems in the beginning, but from searching
on the web I found that the manufacturers did a good job of standing
behind their product and have pretty well taken
care of the problems. Knowing that someone will stand behind their
product is very important to me.
The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed.
I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to use
automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags.
Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to
reduce some of the overall complexity (weight).
Happy building,
John Brunke
RV7, tip-up in progress
----- Original Message -----
From: Tad Sargent
To: rv7-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:51 AM
Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
I know of two instances first hand. Both installs began acceptably
then both died. I know this is a short answer but I would go with
either Mags or Lightspeed Ignitions.
I have had mags for 359 hours, trouble free. I am installing one
lightspeed box soon. I like the idea of p-mags but for the same cash
lightspeeds win the contest for me. They have fewer moving parts and NO
software updates. Secondly, any A&P can work on them should you need to
have them looked at. As for the power generation aspect of the
P=mags I don't buy it. The reliability of your engine does not
require it. Your car is set up much like the lightspeed ignition.
Your milage may vary
Tad Sargent
7A
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[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:57 PM
To: rv7-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
I am about ready to order my engine and considering using an E-mag
and P-mag instead of slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has
comments about how they like them and if they have had any problems. I
talked to someone this weekend and they said they heard that they have
had some bugs and concerned about the reliability. I would aprreciate
any input.
Thanks,
Jason
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| Subject: | E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability |
Jason,
I have one of each as well. I had the earlier ser'#s when I installed
them. They worked very well but I went ahead & sent them in when they came
out with the update.
They promptly sent them back with the updates & have performed perfectly.
They are very easy to install & time & the engine seems to start instantly &
idle smoother than the standard mags. With both emags firing & on 0 degrees
before top dead center the engine almost starts immediately. I am very happy
with mine & I think you will be as well.
Thanks, Stan Bahrns
RV7-A (70) hrs
stanb@bahrns.com
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[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael T. Ice
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 12:17 AM
To: rv7-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
Jason,
I have one of each, I have them installed, I have not run the engine yet.
Your Tach may have to be recalibrated to run on an electronic mag.
I like the way they look. I like the way they installed. I followed
Emagair's wiring instructions and it was simple.
I have heard the same about the reliability but I think that was with
earlier models.
I will be interested to follow this thread. Hope some others chime in. How
about you Mr. Repucci?
Mike Ice
Baffling my way through the baffles and cowl install.
----- Original Message -----
From: jkrowe.1@netzero.net
To: rv7-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 7:56 PM
Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
I am about ready to order my engine and considering using an E-mag and
P-mag instead of slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has comments
about how they like them and if they have had any problems. I talked to
someone this weekend and they said they heard that they have had some bugs
and concerned about the reliability. I would aprreciate any input.
Thanks,
Jason
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| Subject: | Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability |
I was thinking of the E-mag/P-mag set-up, then had
some emails back and forth with Dan C. and he sold me
on Klaus... Lightspeed all the way!
Darrell
--- "J. Brunke" <jdoody727@comcast.net> wrote:
> Hey Tad,
>
> I was not putting down the light speed at all.
> It's obviously a good system, if not Klaus would be
> out of business.
>
> This question was put forth by another lister. My
> only question to you was about the second power
> source.
>
> Sorry I got you seeing red in my writing.
>
> John Brunke
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tad Sargent
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:49 AM
> Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
> Your question tells me your mind is made up. As
> in any man made device it is subject to failure, but
> a double failure in your electrical system. What
> are the chances your battery and your alternator
> system fail at the same time. I am using one mag
> and one lightspeed. Most airshow performers use
> Lightspeed Ignition. I think in any system you buy
> you pay your money then go from there. The failures
> I spoke about were within the last several months
> with updated software systems.
>
>
>
> "The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed."
>
>
>
> "I just wanted solid state reliability and having
> the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards
> the P-mags.
>
> Also not needing a secondary power source, for me,
> seemed to
>
> reduce some of the overall complexity (weight)."
> (snip)
>
>
>
> Is the racing crowd interested in reliability?
>
>
>
> You did not mention a performance gain with
> P-mags. Slick mags are self powering, reliable, and
> cost efficient and the plugs last a very long time.
>
>
>
> You asked for observations and comments.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Tad
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of J. Brunke
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:18 AM
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
>
> Tad,
>
>
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the
> Lightspeed need a second battery as a backup power
> source?
>
>
>
> There is a lot of info out there on the P-mags.
> Yes there were software problems in the beginning,
> but from searching
>
> on the web I found that the manufacturers did a
> good job of standing behind their product and have
> pretty well taken
>
> care of the problems. Knowing that someone will
> stand behind their product is very important to me.
>
>
>
> The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed.
>
>
>
> I just wanted solid state reliability and having
> the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards
> the P-mags.
>
> Also not needing a secondary power source, for me,
> seemed to
>
> reduce some of the overall complexity (weight).
>
>
>
> Happy building,
>
> John Brunke
>
> RV7, tip-up in progress
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Tad Sargent
>
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:51 AM
>
> Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
>
> I know of two instances first hand. Both
> installs began acceptably then both died. I know
> this is a short answer but I would go with either
> Mags or Lightspeed Ignitions.
>
> I have had mags for 359 hours, trouble free. I
> am installing one lightspeed box soon. I like the
> idea of p-mags but for the same cash lightspeeds win
> the contest for me. They have fewer moving parts
> and NO software updates. Secondly, any A&P can work
> on them should you need to have them looked at. As
> for the power generation aspect of the P=mags I
> don't buy it. The reliability of your engine does
> not require it. Your car is set up much like the
> lightspeed ignition.
>
> Your milage may vary
>
> Tad Sargent
>
> 7A
>
>
>
>
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of jkrowe.1@netzero.net
> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:57 PM
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
>
> I am about ready to order my engine and
> considering using an E-mag and P-mag instead of
> slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has
> comments about how they like them and if they have
> had any problems. I talked to someone this weekend
> and they said they heard that they have had some
> bugs and concerned about the reliability. I would
> aprreciate any input.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
>
>
>
>
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> and start your career training today.
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| Subject: | F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck structure) |
Thanks for the warning, but I don't intend to rivet anything yet. I just want to
drill the F643-1 to the top skin & fit/drill the angle that ties it to the firewall,
before I disassemble all that structure between the instrument panel
& firewall. I just want to make a temporary shim the same thickness as the F697's
flange so the F643-1 will be properly positioned before I drill it to the
skin.
Charlie
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
>
> Be careful about installing it now. It turns out there some reasons it ships
> with the finishing kit. I can't exactly remember what they are now (of
> course), but there are nutplates that need to be installed, cutouts thta
> need to be made.. that require the rest of the tip-up release parts in
> place etc. I stuck mine on there early, then had to drill it out.
>
> _____
>
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> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TimUK@aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:52 AM
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck structure)
>
>
> Had the same issue. If you look at the miniature drawings in the back of the
> construction manual there is a drawing showing the part with sizes ( I THINK
> its page 41). I went ahead and ordered this part by itself its about $
> 9.00 whilst I am waiting for my finish kit.
> Tim
>
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| Subject: | E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability |
Since some early issues the E/Pmag combo has been fault free for about 180 hours.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Reiley
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
--> <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
I was thinking of the E-mag/P-mag set-up, then had some emails back and forth with
Dan C. and he sold me on Klaus... Lightspeed all the way!
Darrell
--- "J. Brunke" <jdoody727@comcast.net> wrote:
> Hey Tad,
>
> I was not putting down the light speed at all.
> It's obviously a good system, if not Klaus would be out of business.
>
> This question was put forth by another lister. My
> only question to you was about the second power source.
>
> Sorry I got you seeing red in my writing.
>
> John Brunke
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tad Sargent
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:49 AM
> Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
> Your question tells me your mind is made up. As in any man made
> device it is subject to failure, but a double failure in your
> electrical system. What are the chances your battery and your
> alternator system fail at the same time. I am using one mag and one
> lightspeed. Most airshow performers use Lightspeed Ignition. I think
> in any system you buy you pay your money then go from there. The
> failures I spoke about were within the last several months with
> updated software systems.
>
>
> "The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed."
>
>
> "I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to
> use automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags.
>
> Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to
>
> reduce some of the overall complexity (weight)."
> (snip)
>
>
> Is the racing crowd interested in reliability?
>
>
> You did not mention a performance gain with P-mags. Slick mags are
> self powering, reliable, and cost efficient and the plugs last a very
> long time.
>
>
> You asked for observations and comments.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Tad
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. Brunke
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:18 AM
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
> Tad,
>
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the
> Lightspeed need a second battery as a backup power
> source?
>
>
> There is a lot of info out there on the P-mags.
> Yes there were software problems in the beginning,
> but from searching
>
> on the web I found that the manufacturers did a
> good job of standing behind their product and have
> pretty well taken
>
> care of the problems. Knowing that someone will
> stand behind their product is very important to me.
>
>
> The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed.
>
>
> I just wanted solid state reliability and having
> the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards
> the P-mags.
>
> Also not needing a secondary power source, for me,
> seemed to
>
> reduce some of the overall complexity (weight).
>
>
> Happy building,
>
> John Brunke
>
> RV7, tip-up in progress
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Tad Sargent
>
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:51 AM
>
> Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
> I know of two instances first hand. Both
> installs began acceptably then both died. I know
> this is a short answer but I would go with either
> Mags or Lightspeed Ignitions.
>
> I have had mags for 359 hours, trouble free. I
> am installing one lightspeed box soon. I like the
> idea of p-mags but for the same cash lightspeeds win
> the contest for me. They have fewer moving parts
> and NO software updates. Secondly, any A&P can work
> on them should you need to have them looked at. As
> for the power generation aspect of the P=mags I
> don't buy it. The reliability of your engine does
> not require it. Your car is set up much like the
> lightspeed ignition.
>
> Your milage may vary
>
> Tad Sargent
>
> 7A
>
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of jkrowe.1@netzero.net
> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:57 PM
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
> I am about ready to order my engine and
> considering using an E-mag and P-mag instead of
> slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has
> comments about how they like them and if they have
> had any problems. I talked to someone this weekend
> and they said they heard that they have had some
> bugs and concerned about the reliability. I would
> aprreciate any input.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
>
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> and start your career training today.
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| Subject: | Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability |
John,
I don't think a second power source is *required*, but rather it is
*recommended*. I would just put in a small backup battery (~5AH) for
the EI's anyway. Switch the EI to the B/U battery during the starting
sequence, so that the main battery is running only the starter. This
way, any voltage drop would not affect the EI system at all! Just my
thoughts.
Konrad
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: J. Brunke
To: rv7-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
Hey Tad,
I was not putting down the light speed at all. It's obviously a good
system, if not Klaus would be out of business.
This question was put forth by another lister. My only question to
you was about the second power source.
Sorry I got you seeing red in my writing.
John Brunke
----- Original Message -----
From: Tad Sargent
To: rv7-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:49 AM
Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
Your question tells me your mind is made up. As in any man made
device it is subject to failure, but a double failure in your electrical
system. What are the chances your battery and your alternator system
fail at the same time. I am using one mag and one lightspeed. Most
airshow performers use Lightspeed Ignition. I think in any system you
buy you pay your money then go from there. The failures I spoke about
were within the last several months with updated software systems.
"The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed."
"I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to
use automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags.
Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to
reduce some of the overall complexity (weight)." (snip)
Is the racing crowd interested in reliability?
You did not mention a performance gain with P-mags. Slick mags are
self powering, reliable, and cost efficient and the plugs last a very
long time.
You asked for observations and comments.
Regards,
Tad
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. Brunke
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:18 AM
To: rv7-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
Tad,
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Lightspeed need a second
battery as a backup power source?
There is a lot of info out there on the P-mags. Yes there were
software problems in the beginning, but from searching
on the web I found that the manufacturers did a good job of standing
behind their product and have pretty well taken
care of the problems. Knowing that someone will stand behind their
product is very important to me.
The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed.
I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to use
automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags.
Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to
reduce some of the overall complexity (weight).
Happy building,
John Brunke
RV7, tip-up in progress
----- Original Message -----
From: Tad Sargent
To: rv7-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:51 AM
Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
I know of two instances first hand. Both installs began
acceptably then both died. I know this is a short answer but I would go
with either Mags or Lightspeed Ignitions.
I have had mags for 359 hours, trouble free. I am installing one
lightspeed box soon. I like the idea of p-mags but for the same cash
lightspeeds win the contest for me. They have fewer moving parts and NO
software updates. Secondly, any A&P can work on them should you need to
have them looked at. As for the power generation aspect of the
P=mags I don't buy it. The reliability of your engine does not
require it. Your car is set up much like the lightspeed ignition.
Your milage may vary
Tad Sargent
7A
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jkrowe.1@netzero.net
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:57 PM
To: rv7-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
I am about ready to order my engine and considering using an E-mag
and P-mag instead of slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has
comments about how they like them and if they have had any problems. I
talked to someone this weekend and they said they heard that they have
had some bugs and concerned about the reliability. I would aprreciate
any input.
Thanks,
Jason
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| Subject: | Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability |
I agree on you with that. Lightspeed all the way (my personal
preference)!!!
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Darrell Reiley
To: rv7-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
<lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
I was thinking of the E-mag/P-mag set-up, then had
some emails back and forth with Dan C. and he sold me
on Klaus... Lightspeed all the way!
Darrell
--- "J. Brunke" <jdoody727@comcast.net> wrote:
> Hey Tad,
>
> I was not putting down the light speed at all.
> It's obviously a good system, if not Klaus would be
> out of business.
>
> This question was put forth by another lister. My
> only question to you was about the second power
> source.
>
> Sorry I got you seeing red in my writing.
>
> John Brunke
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tad Sargent
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:49 AM
> Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
> Your question tells me your mind is made up. As
> in any man made device it is subject to failure, but
> a double failure in your electrical system. What
> are the chances your battery and your alternator
> system fail at the same time. I am using one mag
> and one lightspeed. Most airshow performers use
> Lightspeed Ignition. I think in any system you buy
> you pay your money then go from there. The failures
> I spoke about were within the last several months
> with updated software systems.
>
>
>
> "The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed."
>
>
>
> "I just wanted solid state reliability and having
> the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards
> the P-mags.
>
> Also not needing a secondary power source, for me,
> seemed to
>
> reduce some of the overall complexity (weight)."
> (snip)
>
>
>
> Is the racing crowd interested in reliability?
>
>
>
> You did not mention a performance gain with
> P-mags. Slick mags are self powering, reliable, and
> cost efficient and the plugs last a very long time.
>
>
>
> You asked for observations and comments.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Tad
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----
>
> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of J. Brunke
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:18 AM
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
>
> Tad,
>
>
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the
> Lightspeed need a second battery as a backup power
> source?
>
>
>
> There is a lot of info out there on the P-mags.
> Yes there were software problems in the beginning,
> but from searching
>
> on the web I found that the manufacturers did a
> good job of standing behind their product and have
> pretty well taken
>
> care of the problems. Knowing that someone will
> stand behind their product is very important to me.
>
>
>
> The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed.
>
>
>
> I just wanted solid state reliability and having
> the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards
> the P-mags.
>
> Also not needing a secondary power source, for me,
> seemed to
>
> reduce some of the overall complexity (weight).
>
>
>
> Happy building,
>
> John Brunke
>
> RV7, tip-up in progress
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Tad Sargent
>
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:51 AM
>
> Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
>
> I know of two instances first hand. Both
> installs began acceptably then both died. I know
> this is a short answer but I would go with either
> Mags or Lightspeed Ignitions.
>
> I have had mags for 359 hours, trouble free. I
> am installing one lightspeed box soon. I like the
> idea of p-mags but for the same cash lightspeeds win
> the contest for me. They have fewer moving parts
> and NO software updates. Secondly, any A&P can work
> on them should you need to have them looked at. As
> for the power generation aspect of the P=mags I
> don't buy it. The reliability of your engine does
> not require it. Your car is set up much like the
> lightspeed ignition.
>
> Your milage may vary
>
> Tad Sargent
>
> 7A
>
>
>
>
>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
>
> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of jkrowe.1@netzero.net
> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:57 PM
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
>
> I am about ready to order my engine and
> considering using an E-mag and P-mag instead of
> slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has
> comments about how they like them and if they have
> had any problems. I talked to someone this weekend
> and they said they heard that they have had some
> bugs and concerned about the reliability. I would
> aprreciate any input.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
>
>
>
>
_____________________________________________________________
> Earn your associate's criminal justice degree
> and start your career training today.
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| Subject: | E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability |
No red seeing here, just what I see. I think a second power source is not
necessary but others may disagree.
All my best,
Tad
_____
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. Brunke
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
Hey Tad,
I was not putting down the light speed at all. It's obviously a good
system, if not Klaus would be out of business.
This question was put forth by another lister. My only question to you was
about the second power source.
Sorry I got you seeing red in my writing.
John Brunke
----- Original Message -----
From: Tad <mailto:Tadsargent@bellsouth.net> Sargent
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:49 AM
Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
Your question tells me your mind is made up. As in any man made device it
is subject to failure, but a double failure in your electrical system. What
are the chances your battery and your alternator system fail at the same
time. I am using one mag and one lightspeed. Most airshow performers use
Lightspeed Ignition. I think in any system you buy you pay your money then
go from there. The failures I spoke about were within the last several
months with updated software systems.
"The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed."
"I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to use
automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags.
Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to
reduce some of the overall complexity (weight)." (snip)
Is the racing crowd interested in reliability?
You did not mention a performance gain with P-mags. Slick mags are self
powering, reliable, and cost efficient and the plugs last a very long time.
You asked for observations and comments.
Regards,
Tad
_____
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. Brunke
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
Tad,
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Lightspeed need a second battery as
a backup power source?
There is a lot of info out there on the P-mags. Yes there were software
problems in the beginning, but from searching
on the web I found that the manufacturers did a good job of standing behind
their product and have pretty well taken
care of the problems. Knowing that someone will stand behind their product
is very important to me.
The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed.
I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to use
automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags.
Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to
reduce some of the overall complexity (weight).
Happy building,
John Brunke
RV7, tip-up in progress
----- Original Message -----
From: Tad <mailto:Tadsargent@bellsouth.net> Sargent
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:51 AM
Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
I know of two instances first hand. Both installs began acceptably then
both died. I know this is a short answer but I would go with either Mags or
Lightspeed Ignitions.
I have had mags for 359 hours, trouble free. I am installing one lightspeed
box soon. I like the idea of p-mags but for the same cash lightspeeds win
the contest for me. They have fewer moving parts and NO software updates.
Secondly, any A&P can work on them should you need to have them looked at.
As for the power generation aspect of the P=mags I don't buy it. The
reliability of your engine does not require it. Your car is set up much
like the lightspeed ignition.
Your milage may vary
Tad Sargent
7A
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Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:57 PM
Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
I am about ready to order my engine and considering using an E-mag and P-mag
instead of slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has comments about
how they like them and if they have had any problems. I talked to someone
this weekend and they said they heard that they have had some bugs and
concerned about the reliability. I would aprreciate any input.
Thanks,
Jason
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