---------------------------------------------------------- RV7-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 12/09/07: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:53 AM - Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability (Tad Sargent) 2. 05:29 AM - Re: Pitot/Static plumbing with Ny-Loc fittings? (andrew phillips) 3. 06:14 AM - Re: Pitot/Static plumbing with Ny-Loc fittings? (Charles Reiche) 4. 07:16 AM - Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability (J. Brunke) 5. 07:50 AM - Re: E-Mag (Darwin N. Barrie) 6. 08:35 AM - F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck structure) (ceengland@bellsouth.net) 7. 09:50 AM - Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability (Tad Sargent) 8. 09:52 AM - Re: F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck structure) (TimUK@aol.com) 9. 10:24 AM - Re: F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck structure) (Bob Collins) 10. 02:06 PM - Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability (J. Brunke) 11. 02:23 PM - Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability (Stan) 12. 02:47 PM - Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability (Darrell Reiley) 13. 03:05 PM - Re: F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck structure) (ceengland@bellsouth.net) 14. 03:10 PM - Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)) 15. 03:15 PM - Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability (Konrad L. Werner) 16. 03:18 PM - Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability (Konrad L. Werner) 17. 03:49 PM - Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability (Tad Sargent) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:04 AM PST US From: "Tad Sargent" Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability I know of two instances first hand. Both installs began acceptably then both died. I know this is a short answer but I would go with either Mags or Lightspeed Ignitions. I have had mags for 359 hours, trouble free. I am installing one lightspeed box soon. I like the idea of p-mags but for the same cash lightspeeds win the contest for me. They have fewer moving parts and NO software updates. Secondly, any A&P can work on them should you need to have them looked at. As for the power generation aspect of the P=mags I don't buy it. The reliability of your engine does not require it. Your car is set up much like the lightspeed ignition. Your milage may vary Tad Sargent 7A _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jkrowe.1@netzero.net Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:57 PM Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability I am about ready to order my engine and considering using an E-mag and P-mag instead of slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has comments about how they like them and if they have had any problems. I talked to someone this weekend and they said they heard that they have had some bugs and concerned about the reliability. I would aprreciate any input. Thanks, Jason _____________________________________________________________ Earn your associate's criminal justice degree and start your career training today. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:29:30 AM PST US From: andrew phillips Subject: Re: RV7-List: Pitot/Static plumbing with Ny-Loc fittings? These are under very low pressure so I used just a little teflon tape (probably could get away with nothing). Some quick release fittings that came in a kit I bought had the tape already on them too. Allen Fulmer wrote: > >When plumbing ASI, ALT, AHRS, etc. with Ny-Loc fittings, do we use anything >on the pipe threads? Teflon tape, EZ-turn lubricant, etc.? > >TIA, > >Allen Fulmer >RV7 Avionics and wiring >Eggenfellner Subaru E6T on hand >N808AF reserved >Alexander City, AL >256-329-2001 > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:18 AM PST US From: "Charles Reiche" Subject: Re: RV7-List: Pitot/Static plumbing with Ny-Loc fittings? I just did a pitot-static inspection on a new g100 cessna 172 yesterday and there were leaks everywhere.... check the pipe thread segment of your connections that go into the instrument for what i will call "crappy manufacturing" These little suckers are molded and sometimes are left with a flash line that runs down the thread. I took out all the instruments that were easy to get at and put teflon tape on the fittings, finally getting the leak rate down to about 80ft/min at 1000' above my field elevation. Good enough! I have also heard or using DC-4 silicone lubricant instead of the EZ-turn honey like stuff that can just lead to a mess. Charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "andrew phillips" Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 8:28 AM Subject: Re: RV7-List: Pitot/Static plumbing with Ny-Loc fittings? > > > These are under very low pressure so I used just a little teflon tape > (probably could get away with nothing). Some quick release fittings that > came in a kit I bought had the tape already on them too. > > Allen Fulmer wrote: > >> >>When plumbing ASI, ALT, AHRS, etc. with Ny-Loc fittings, do we use >>anything >>on the pipe threads? Teflon tape, EZ-turn lubricant, etc.? >> >>TIA, >> >>Allen Fulmer >>RV7 Avionics and wiring >>Eggenfellner Subaru E6T on hand >>N808AF reserved >>Alexander City, AL >>256-329-2001 >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:44 AM PST US From: "J. Brunke" Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability Tad, Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Lightspeed need a second battery as a backup power source? There is a lot of info out there on the P-mags. Yes there were software problems in the beginning, but from searching on the web I found that the manufacturers did a good job of standing behind their product and have pretty well taken care of the problems. Knowing that someone will stand behind their product is very important to me. The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed. I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags. Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to reduce some of the overall complexity (weight). Happy building, John Brunke RV7, tip-up in progress ----- Original Message ----- From: Tad Sargent To: rv7-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:51 AM Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability I know of two instances first hand. Both installs began acceptably then both died. I know this is a short answer but I would go with either Mags or Lightspeed Ignitions. I have had mags for 359 hours, trouble free. I am installing one lightspeed box soon. I like the idea of p-mags but for the same cash lightspeeds win the contest for me. They have fewer moving parts and NO software updates. Secondly, any A&P can work on them should you need to have them looked at. As for the power generation aspect of the P=mags I don't buy it. The reliability of your engine does not require it. Your car is set up much like the lightspeed ignition. Your milage may vary Tad Sargent 7A ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jkrowe.1@netzero.net Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:57 PM To: rv7-list@matronics.com Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability I am about ready to order my engine and considering using an E-mag and P-mag instead of slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has comments about how they like them and if they have had any problems. I talked to someone this weekend and they said they heard that they have had some bugs and concerned about the reliability. I would aprreciate any input. Thanks, Jason _____________________________________________________________ Earn your associate's criminal justice degree and start your career training today. http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:49 AM PST US From: "Darwin N. Barrie" Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag I believe most of the early problems have been worked out. I had some early version of the E and Pmags. I have had 4 failures in the first 250 hours. Two of them were mechanical in nature when a magnet housing came loose inside. As a result they have modified the method the magnet is secured. The other two were another issue that also has been corrected. I have the latest and greatest versions now. In each case I used the switch to isolate the offending mag and operate the remainder of the flight on the good mag. I did not feel my safety was in jeopardy in any way. If so I wouldn't be using them. If you are going to have a mag problem at least these are really simple to work on. I can remove and replace in less than an hour. The performance is excellent. Starts are instantaneous and everything runs very smooth. I have no imperical evidence but I believe the Pmags give a little power boost. The fact of the Experimental world is that we, the end user, do most of the testing on new products. This allows us to get exceptional products at much lower costs than the Certified world. The Pmags are no exception. I have confidence in the product. The company support is incredible. Brad and Tom are committed to putting out the best possible product. Yeah there were some issues, but I think they may have the bulk of them solved. Many ignition systems have had problems. They just don't get the press that newest kid on the block is getting when something does go wrong. Hope this helps. Feel free to contact me if you have any other questions. Darwin N. Barrie Chandler, AZ RV7 N 717EE ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:13 AM PST US From: ceengland@bellsouth.net Subject: RV7-List: F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck structure) Any -7 tipup builders out there that just received their finish kit? I'm working on the front deck of the fuse & I'd like to fit the F-643-1 center channel, but it butts against a flange of the F697 hat section & this piece is included in the finish kit, not the fuse kit. Can someone measure the material thickness of the F697 for me? Thanks, Charlie ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:50:18 AM PST US From: "Tad Sargent" Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability Your question tells me your mind is made up. As in any man made device it is subject to failure, but a double failure in your electrical system. What are the chances your battery and your alternator system fail at the same time. I am using one mag and one lightspeed. Most airshow performers use Lightspeed Ignition. I think in any system you buy you pay your money then go from there. The failures I spoke about were within the last several months with updated software systems. "The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed." "I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags. Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to reduce some of the overall complexity (weight)." (snip) Is the racing crowd interested in reliability? You did not mention a performance gain with P-mags. Slick mags are self powering, reliable, and cost efficient and the plugs last a very long time. You asked for observations and comments. Regards, Tad _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. Brunke Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:18 AM Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability Tad, Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Lightspeed need a second battery as a backup power source? There is a lot of info out there on the P-mags. Yes there were software problems in the beginning, but from searching on the web I found that the manufacturers did a good job of standing behind their product and have pretty well taken care of the problems. Knowing that someone will stand behind their product is very important to me. The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed. I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags. Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to reduce some of the overall complexity (weight). Happy building, John Brunke RV7, tip-up in progress ----- Original Message ----- From: Tad Sargent Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:51 AM Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability I know of two instances first hand. Both installs began acceptably then both died. I know this is a short answer but I would go with either Mags or Lightspeed Ignitions. I have had mags for 359 hours, trouble free. I am installing one lightspeed box soon. I like the idea of p-mags but for the same cash lightspeeds win the contest for me. They have fewer moving parts and NO software updates. Secondly, any A&P can work on them should you need to have them looked at. As for the power generation aspect of the P=mags I don't buy it. The reliability of your engine does not require it. Your car is set up much like the lightspeed ignition. Your milage may vary Tad Sargent 7A _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jkrowe.1@netzero.net Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:57 PM Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability I am about ready to order my engine and considering using an E-mag and P-mag instead of slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has comments about how they like them and if they have had any problems. I talked to someone this weekend and they said they heard that they have had some bugs and concerned about the reliability. I would aprreciate any input. Thanks, Jason _____________________________________________________________ Earn your associate's criminal justice degree and start your career training today. http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navig ator?RV7-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:52:48 AM PST US From: TimUK@aol.com Subject: Re: RV7-List: F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck structure) Had the same issue. If you look at the miniature drawings in the back of the construction manual there is a drawing showing the part with sizes ( I THINK its page 41). I went ahead and ordered this part by itself its about $ 9.00 whilst I am waiting for my finish kit. Tim **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:58 AM PST US From: "Bob Collins" Subject: RE: RV7-List: F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck structure) Be careful about installing it now. It turns out there some reasons it ships with the finishing kit. I can't exactly remember what they are now (of course), but there are nutplates that need to be installed, cutouts thta need to be made.. that require the rest of the tip-up release parts in place etc. I stuck mine on there early, then had to drill it out. _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TimUK@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:52 AM Subject: Re: RV7-List: F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck structure) Had the same issue. If you look at the miniature drawings in the back of the construction manual there is a drawing showing the part with sizes ( I THINK its page 41). I went ahead and ordered this part by itself its about $ 9.00 whilst I am waiting for my finish kit. Tim hottest products and top money wasters of 2007. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:06:09 PM PST US From: "J. Brunke" Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability Hey Tad, I was not putting down the light speed at all. It's obviously a good system, if not Klaus would be out of business. This question was put forth by another lister. My only question to you was about the second power source. Sorry I got you seeing red in my writing. John Brunke ----- Original Message ----- From: Tad Sargent To: rv7-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:49 AM Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability Your question tells me your mind is made up. As in any man made device it is subject to failure, but a double failure in your electrical system. What are the chances your battery and your alternator system fail at the same time. I am using one mag and one lightspeed. Most airshow performers use Lightspeed Ignition. I think in any system you buy you pay your money then go from there. The failures I spoke about were within the last several months with updated software systems. "The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed." "I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags. Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to reduce some of the overall complexity (weight)." (snip) Is the racing crowd interested in reliability? You did not mention a performance gain with P-mags. Slick mags are self powering, reliable, and cost efficient and the plugs last a very long time. You asked for observations and comments. Regards, Tad ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. Brunke Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:18 AM To: rv7-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability Tad, Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Lightspeed need a second battery as a backup power source? There is a lot of info out there on the P-mags. Yes there were software problems in the beginning, but from searching on the web I found that the manufacturers did a good job of standing behind their product and have pretty well taken care of the problems. Knowing that someone will stand behind their product is very important to me. The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed. I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags. Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to reduce some of the overall complexity (weight). Happy building, John Brunke RV7, tip-up in progress ----- Original Message ----- From: Tad Sargent To: rv7-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:51 AM Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability I know of two instances first hand. Both installs began acceptably then both died. I know this is a short answer but I would go with either Mags or Lightspeed Ignitions. I have had mags for 359 hours, trouble free. I am installing one lightspeed box soon. I like the idea of p-mags but for the same cash lightspeeds win the contest for me. They have fewer moving parts and NO software updates. Secondly, any A&P can work on them should you need to have them looked at. As for the power generation aspect of the P=mags I don't buy it. The reliability of your engine does not require it. Your car is set up much like the lightspeed ignition. Your milage may vary Tad Sargent 7A ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jkrowe.1@netzero.net Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:57 PM To: rv7-list@matronics.com Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability I am about ready to order my engine and considering using an E-mag and P-mag instead of slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has comments about how they like them and if they have had any problems. I talked to someone this weekend and they said they heard that they have had some bugs and concerned about the reliability. I would aprreciate any input. Thanks, Jason _____________________________________________________________ Earn your associate's criminal justice degree and start your career training today. http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?RV7-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums .matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:13 PM PST US From: "Stan" Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability Jason, I have one of each as well. I had the earlier ser'#s when I installed them. They worked very well but I went ahead & sent them in when they came out with the update. They promptly sent them back with the updates & have performed perfectly. They are very easy to install & time & the engine seems to start instantly & idle smoother than the standard mags. With both emags firing & on 0 degrees before top dead center the engine almost starts immediately. I am very happy with mine & I think you will be as well. Thanks, Stan Bahrns RV7-A (70) hrs stanb@bahrns.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael T. Ice Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 12:17 AM To: rv7-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability Jason, I have one of each, I have them installed, I have not run the engine yet. Your Tach may have to be recalibrated to run on an electronic mag. I like the way they look. I like the way they installed. I followed Emagair's wiring instructions and it was simple. I have heard the same about the reliability but I think that was with earlier models. I will be interested to follow this thread. Hope some others chime in. How about you Mr. Repucci? Mike Ice Baffling my way through the baffles and cowl install. ----- Original Message ----- From: jkrowe.1@netzero.net To: rv7-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 7:56 PM Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability I am about ready to order my engine and considering using an E-mag and P-mag instead of slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has comments about how they like them and if they have had any problems. I talked to someone this weekend and they said they heard that they have had some bugs and concerned about the reliability. I would aprreciate any input. Thanks, Jason _____________________________________________________________ Earn your associate's criminal justice degree and start your career training today. 11:06 AM ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:47:52 PM PST US From: Darrell Reiley Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability I was thinking of the E-mag/P-mag set-up, then had some emails back and forth with Dan C. and he sold me on Klaus... Lightspeed all the way! Darrell --- "J. Brunke" wrote: > Hey Tad, > > I was not putting down the light speed at all. > It's obviously a good system, if not Klaus would be > out of business. > > This question was put forth by another lister. My > only question to you was about the second power > source. > > Sorry I got you seeing red in my writing. > > John Brunke > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tad Sargent > To: rv7-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:49 AM > Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability > > > Your question tells me your mind is made up. As > in any man made device it is subject to failure, but > a double failure in your electrical system. What > are the chances your battery and your alternator > system fail at the same time. I am using one mag > and one lightspeed. Most airshow performers use > Lightspeed Ignition. I think in any system you buy > you pay your money then go from there. The failures > I spoke about were within the last several months > with updated software systems. > > > > "The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed." > > > > "I just wanted solid state reliability and having > the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards > the P-mags. > > Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, > seemed to > > reduce some of the overall complexity (weight)." > (snip) > > > > Is the racing crowd interested in reliability? > > > > You did not mention a performance gain with > P-mags. Slick mags are self powering, reliable, and > cost efficient and the plugs last a very long time. > > > > You asked for observations and comments. > > > > Regards, > > Tad > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of J. Brunke > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:18 AM > To: rv7-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability > > > > Tad, > > > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the > Lightspeed need a second battery as a backup power > source? > > > > There is a lot of info out there on the P-mags. > Yes there were software problems in the beginning, > but from searching > > on the web I found that the manufacturers did a > good job of standing behind their product and have > pretty well taken > > care of the problems. Knowing that someone will > stand behind their product is very important to me. > > > > The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed. > > > > I just wanted solid state reliability and having > the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards > the P-mags. > > Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, > seemed to > > reduce some of the overall complexity (weight). > > > > Happy building, > > John Brunke > > RV7, tip-up in progress > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Tad Sargent > > To: rv7-list@matronics.com > > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:51 AM > > Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability > > > > I know of two instances first hand. Both > installs began acceptably then both died. I know > this is a short answer but I would go with either > Mags or Lightspeed Ignitions. > > I have had mags for 359 hours, trouble free. I > am installing one lightspeed box soon. I like the > idea of p-mags but for the same cash lightspeeds win > the contest for me. They have fewer moving parts > and NO software updates. Secondly, any A&P can work > on them should you need to have them looked at. As > for the power generation aspect of the P=mags I > don't buy it. The reliability of your engine does > not require it. Your car is set up much like the > lightspeed ignition. > > Your milage may vary > > Tad Sargent > > 7A > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of jkrowe.1@netzero.net > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:57 PM > To: rv7-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability > > > > I am about ready to order my engine and > considering using an E-mag and P-mag instead of > slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has > comments about how they like them and if they have > had any problems. I talked to someone this weekend > and they said they heard that they have had some > bugs and concerned about the reliability. I would > aprreciate any input. > > Thanks, > > Jason > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Earn your associate's criminal justice degree > and start your career training today. > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:05:16 PM PST US From: ceengland@bellsouth.net Subject: RE: RV7-List: F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck structure) Thanks for the warning, but I don't intend to rivet anything yet. I just want to drill the F643-1 to the top skin & fit/drill the angle that ties it to the firewall, before I disassemble all that structure between the instrument panel & firewall. I just want to make a temporary shim the same thickness as the F697's flange so the F643-1 will be properly positioned before I drill it to the skin. Charlie -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Bob Collins" > > Be careful about installing it now. It turns out there some reasons it ships > with the finishing kit. I can't exactly remember what they are now (of > course), but there are nutplates that need to be installed, cutouts thta > need to be made.. that require the rest of the tip-up release parts in > place etc. I stuck mine on there early, then had to drill it out. > > _____ > > From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TimUK@aol.com > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:52 AM > To: rv7-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV7-List: F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck structure) > > > Had the same issue. If you look at the miniature drawings in the back of the > construction manual there is a drawing showing the part with sizes ( I THINK > its page 41). I went ahead and ordered this part by itself its about $ > 9.00 whilst I am waiting for my finish kit. > Tim > > > > hottest products and top money wasters > 30000000002> of 2007. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:11 PM PST US From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability Since some early issues the E/Pmag combo has been fault free for about 180 hours. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Reiley Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 2:45 PM Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability --> I was thinking of the E-mag/P-mag set-up, then had some emails back and forth with Dan C. and he sold me on Klaus... Lightspeed all the way! Darrell --- "J. Brunke" wrote: > Hey Tad, > > I was not putting down the light speed at all. > It's obviously a good system, if not Klaus would be out of business. > > This question was put forth by another lister. My > only question to you was about the second power source. > > Sorry I got you seeing red in my writing. > > John Brunke > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tad Sargent > To: rv7-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:49 AM > Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability > > > Your question tells me your mind is made up. As in any man made > device it is subject to failure, but a double failure in your > electrical system. What are the chances your battery and your > alternator system fail at the same time. I am using one mag and one > lightspeed. Most airshow performers use Lightspeed Ignition. I think > in any system you buy you pay your money then go from there. The > failures I spoke about were within the last several months with > updated software systems. > > > "The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed." > > > "I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to > use automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags. > > Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to > > reduce some of the overall complexity (weight)." > (snip) > > > Is the racing crowd interested in reliability? > > > You did not mention a performance gain with P-mags. Slick mags are > self powering, reliable, and cost efficient and the plugs last a very > long time. > > > You asked for observations and comments. > > > Regards, > > Tad > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. Brunke > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:18 AM > To: rv7-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability > > > Tad, > > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the > Lightspeed need a second battery as a backup power > source? > > > There is a lot of info out there on the P-mags. > Yes there were software problems in the beginning, > but from searching > > on the web I found that the manufacturers did a > good job of standing behind their product and have > pretty well taken > > care of the problems. Knowing that someone will > stand behind their product is very important to me. > > > The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed. > > > I just wanted solid state reliability and having > the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards > the P-mags. > > Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, > seemed to > > reduce some of the overall complexity (weight). > > > Happy building, > > John Brunke > > RV7, tip-up in progress > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Tad Sargent > > To: rv7-list@matronics.com > > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:51 AM > > Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability > > > I know of two instances first hand. Both > installs began acceptably then both died. I know > this is a short answer but I would go with either > Mags or Lightspeed Ignitions. > > I have had mags for 359 hours, trouble free. I > am installing one lightspeed box soon. I like the > idea of p-mags but for the same cash lightspeeds win > the contest for me. They have fewer moving parts > and NO software updates. Secondly, any A&P can work > on them should you need to have them looked at. As > for the power generation aspect of the P=mags I > don't buy it. The reliability of your engine does > not require it. Your car is set up much like the > lightspeed ignition. > > Your milage may vary > > Tad Sargent > > 7A > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of jkrowe.1@netzero.net > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:57 PM > To: rv7-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability > > > I am about ready to order my engine and > considering using an E-mag and P-mag instead of > slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has > comments about how they like them and if they have > had any problems. I talked to someone this weekend > and they said they heard that they have had some > bugs and concerned about the reliability. I would > aprreciate any input. > > Thanks, > > Jason > > _____________________________________________________________ > Earn your associate's criminal justice degree > and start your career training today. > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:15:53 PM PST US From: "Konrad L. Werner" Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability John, I don't think a second power source is *required*, but rather it is *recommended*. I would just put in a small backup battery (~5AH) for the EI's anyway. Switch the EI to the B/U battery during the starting sequence, so that the main battery is running only the starter. This way, any voltage drop would not affect the EI system at all! Just my thoughts. Konrad do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: J. Brunke To: rv7-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 3:05 PM Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability Hey Tad, I was not putting down the light speed at all. It's obviously a good system, if not Klaus would be out of business. This question was put forth by another lister. My only question to you was about the second power source. Sorry I got you seeing red in my writing. John Brunke ----- Original Message ----- From: Tad Sargent To: rv7-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:49 AM Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability Your question tells me your mind is made up. As in any man made device it is subject to failure, but a double failure in your electrical system. What are the chances your battery and your alternator system fail at the same time. I am using one mag and one lightspeed. Most airshow performers use Lightspeed Ignition. I think in any system you buy you pay your money then go from there. The failures I spoke about were within the last several months with updated software systems. "The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed." "I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags. Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to reduce some of the overall complexity (weight)." (snip) Is the racing crowd interested in reliability? You did not mention a performance gain with P-mags. Slick mags are self powering, reliable, and cost efficient and the plugs last a very long time. You asked for observations and comments. Regards, Tad ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. Brunke Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:18 AM To: rv7-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability Tad, Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Lightspeed need a second battery as a backup power source? There is a lot of info out there on the P-mags. Yes there were software problems in the beginning, but from searching on the web I found that the manufacturers did a good job of standing behind their product and have pretty well taken care of the problems. Knowing that someone will stand behind their product is very important to me. The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed. I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags. Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to reduce some of the overall complexity (weight). Happy building, John Brunke RV7, tip-up in progress ----- Original Message ----- From: Tad Sargent To: rv7-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:51 AM Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability I know of two instances first hand. Both installs began acceptably then both died. I know this is a short answer but I would go with either Mags or Lightspeed Ignitions. I have had mags for 359 hours, trouble free. I am installing one lightspeed box soon. I like the idea of p-mags but for the same cash lightspeeds win the contest for me. They have fewer moving parts and NO software updates. Secondly, any A&P can work on them should you need to have them looked at. As for the power generation aspect of the P=mags I don't buy it. The reliability of your engine does not require it. Your car is set up much like the lightspeed ignition. Your milage may vary Tad Sargent 7A ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jkrowe.1@netzero.net Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:57 PM To: rv7-list@matronics.com Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability I am about ready to order my engine and considering using an E-mag and P-mag instead of slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has comments about how they like them and if they have had any problems. I talked to someone this weekend and they said they heard that they have had some bugs and concerned about the reliability. I would aprreciate any input. Thanks, Jason _____________________________________________________________ Earn your associate's criminal justice degree and start your career training today. http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?RV7-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums .matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?RV7-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:07 PM PST US From: "Konrad L. Werner" Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability I agree on you with that. Lightspeed all the way (my personal preference)!!! do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Darrell Reiley To: rv7-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 3:45 PM Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability I was thinking of the E-mag/P-mag set-up, then had some emails back and forth with Dan C. and he sold me on Klaus... Lightspeed all the way! Darrell --- "J. Brunke" wrote: > Hey Tad, > > I was not putting down the light speed at all. > It's obviously a good system, if not Klaus would be > out of business. > > This question was put forth by another lister. My > only question to you was about the second power > source. > > Sorry I got you seeing red in my writing. > > John Brunke > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tad Sargent > To: rv7-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:49 AM > Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability > > > Your question tells me your mind is made up. As > in any man made device it is subject to failure, but > a double failure in your electrical system. What > are the chances your battery and your alternator > system fail at the same time. I am using one mag > and one lightspeed. Most airshow performers use > Lightspeed Ignition. I think in any system you buy > you pay your money then go from there. The failures > I spoke about were within the last several months > with updated software systems. > > > > "The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed." > > > > "I just wanted solid state reliability and having > the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards > the P-mags. > > Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, > seemed to > > reduce some of the overall complexity (weight)." > (snip) > > > > Is the racing crowd interested in reliability? > > > > You did not mention a performance gain with > P-mags. Slick mags are self powering, reliable, and > cost efficient and the plugs last a very long time. > > > > You asked for observations and comments. > > > > Regards, > > Tad > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > > From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of J. Brunke > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:18 AM > To: rv7-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability > > > > Tad, > > > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the > Lightspeed need a second battery as a backup power > source? > > > > There is a lot of info out there on the P-mags. > Yes there were software problems in the beginning, > but from searching > > on the web I found that the manufacturers did a > good job of standing behind their product and have > pretty well taken > > care of the problems. Knowing that someone will > stand behind their product is very important to me. > > > > The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed. > > > > I just wanted solid state reliability and having > the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards > the P-mags. > > Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, > seemed to > > reduce some of the overall complexity (weight). > > > > Happy building, > > John Brunke > > RV7, tip-up in progress > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Tad Sargent > > To: rv7-list@matronics.com > > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:51 AM > > Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability > > > > I know of two instances first hand. Both > installs began acceptably then both died. I know > this is a short answer but I would go with either > Mags or Lightspeed Ignitions. > > I have had mags for 359 hours, trouble free. I > am installing one lightspeed box soon. I like the > idea of p-mags but for the same cash lightspeeds win > the contest for me. They have fewer moving parts > and NO software updates. Secondly, any A&P can work > on them should you need to have them looked at. As > for the power generation aspect of the P=mags I > don't buy it. The reliability of your engine does > not require it. Your car is set up much like the > lightspeed ignition. > > Your milage may vary > > Tad Sargent > > 7A > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > > From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of jkrowe.1@netzero.net > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:57 PM > To: rv7-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability > > > > I am about ready to order my engine and > considering using an E-mag and P-mag instead of > slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has > comments about how they like them and if they have > had any problems. I talked to someone this weekend > and they said they heard that they have had some > bugs and concerned about the reliability. I would > aprreciate any input. > > Thanks, > > Jason > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Earn your associate's criminal justice degree > and start your career training today. > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV7-List">http://www.matronics .com/Navigator?RV7-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums .matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:58 PM PST US From: "Tad Sargent" Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability No red seeing here, just what I see. I think a second power source is not necessary but others may disagree. All my best, Tad _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. Brunke Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 5:05 PM Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability Hey Tad, I was not putting down the light speed at all. It's obviously a good system, if not Klaus would be out of business. This question was put forth by another lister. My only question to you was about the second power source. Sorry I got you seeing red in my writing. John Brunke ----- Original Message ----- From: Tad Sargent Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:49 AM Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability Your question tells me your mind is made up. As in any man made device it is subject to failure, but a double failure in your electrical system. What are the chances your battery and your alternator system fail at the same time. I am using one mag and one lightspeed. Most airshow performers use Lightspeed Ignition. I think in any system you buy you pay your money then go from there. The failures I spoke about were within the last several months with updated software systems. "The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed." "I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags. Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to reduce some of the overall complexity (weight)." (snip) Is the racing crowd interested in reliability? You did not mention a performance gain with P-mags. Slick mags are self powering, reliable, and cost efficient and the plugs last a very long time. You asked for observations and comments. Regards, Tad _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. Brunke Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:18 AM Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability Tad, Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Lightspeed need a second battery as a backup power source? There is a lot of info out there on the P-mags. Yes there were software problems in the beginning, but from searching on the web I found that the manufacturers did a good job of standing behind their product and have pretty well taken care of the problems. Knowing that someone will stand behind their product is very important to me. The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed. I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags. Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to reduce some of the overall complexity (weight). Happy building, John Brunke RV7, tip-up in progress ----- Original Message ----- From: Tad Sargent Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:51 AM Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability I know of two instances first hand. Both installs began acceptably then both died. I know this is a short answer but I would go with either Mags or Lightspeed Ignitions. I have had mags for 359 hours, trouble free. I am installing one lightspeed box soon. I like the idea of p-mags but for the same cash lightspeeds win the contest for me. They have fewer moving parts and NO software updates. Secondly, any A&P can work on them should you need to have them looked at. As for the power generation aspect of the P=mags I don't buy it. The reliability of your engine does not require it. Your car is set up much like the lightspeed ignition. Your milage may vary Tad Sargent 7A _____ From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jkrowe.1@netzero.net Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:57 PM Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability I am about ready to order my engine and considering using an E-mag and P-mag instead of slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has comments about how they like them and if they have had any problems. I talked to someone this weekend and they said they heard that they have had some bugs and concerned about the reliability. I would aprreciate any input. 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