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To the group,
I used tape on the instruments just to help cushion the connection a little
but nothing on the rest. I used quick-change Ts and Ls.....checked the
systems and checked OK.
I purchased kits from SafeAir1 (http://www.safeair1.com/index.htm) for
my -7A; an Angle-of-Attack kit and Pitot/Static kit for the sub-panel
plumbing.
Ron F.
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> 1. 04:53 AM - Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability (Tad Sargent)
> 2. 05:29 AM - Re: Pitot/Static plumbing with Ny-Loc fittings? (andrew
> phillips)
> 3. 06:14 AM - Re: Pitot/Static plumbing with Ny-Loc fittings?
> (Charles Reiche)
> 4. 07:16 AM - Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability (J. Brunke)
> 5. 07:50 AM - Re: E-Mag (Darwin N. Barrie)
> 6. 08:35 AM - F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck structure)
> (ceengland@bellsouth.net)
> 7. 09:50 AM - Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability (Tad Sargent)
> 8. 09:52 AM - Re: F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck
> structure) (TimUK@aol.com)
> 9. 10:24 AM - Re: F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck
> structure) (Bob Collins)
> 10. 02:06 PM - Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability (J. Brunke)
> 11. 02:23 PM - Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability (Stan)
> 12. 02:47 PM - Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability (Darrell Reiley)
> 13. 03:05 PM - Re: F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck
> structure) (ceengland@bellsouth.net)
> 14. 03:10 PM - Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability (Hinde, Frank George
> (Corvallis))
> 15. 03:15 PM - Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability (Konrad L. Werner)
> 16. 03:18 PM - Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability (Konrad L. Werner)
> 17. 03:49 PM - Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability (Tad Sargent)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:53:04 AM PST US
> From: "Tad Sargent" <Tadsargent@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
> I know of two instances first hand. Both installs began acceptably then
> both died. I know this is a short answer but I would go with either Mags
> or
> Lightspeed Ignitions.
>
> I have had mags for 359 hours, trouble free. I am installing one
> lightspeed
> box soon. I like the idea of p-mags but for the same cash lightspeeds
> win
> the contest for me. They have fewer moving parts and NO software updates.
> Secondly, any A&P can work on them should you need to have them looked at.
> As for the power generation aspect of the P=mags I don't buy it. The
> reliability of your engine does not require it. Your car is set up much
> like the lightspeed ignition.
>
> Your milage may vary
>
> Tad Sargent
>
> 7A
>
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> jkrowe.1@netzero.net
> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:57 PM
> Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
> I am about ready to order my engine and considering using an E-mag and
> P-mag
> instead of slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has comments about
> how they like them and if they have had any problems. I talked to someone
> this weekend and they said they heard that they have had some bugs and
> concerned about the reliability. I would aprreciate any input.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
>
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> ________________________________ Message 2
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>
>
> Time: 05:29:30 AM PST US
> From: andrew phillips <andrew.phillips@sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: Pitot/Static plumbing with Ny-Loc fittings?
>
>
> These are under very low pressure so I used just a little teflon tape
> (probably could get away with nothing). Some quick release fittings that
> came in a kit I bought had the tape already on them too.
>
> Allen Fulmer wrote:
>
>>
>>When plumbing ASI, ALT, AHRS, etc. with Ny-Loc fittings, do we use
>>anything
>>on the pipe threads? Teflon tape, EZ-turn lubricant, etc.?
>>
>>TIA,
>>
>>Allen Fulmer
>>RV7 Avionics and wiring
>>Eggenfellner Subaru E6T on hand
>>N808AF reserved
>>Alexander City, AL
>>256-329-2001
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:14:18 AM PST US
> From: "Charles Reiche" <reichec@verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: Pitot/Static plumbing with Ny-Loc fittings?
>
>
> I just did a pitot-static inspection on a new g100 cessna 172 yesterday
> and
> there were leaks everywhere.... check the pipe thread segment of your
> connections that go into the instrument for what i will call "crappy
> manufacturing" These little suckers are molded and sometimes are left
> with
> a flash line that runs down the thread. I took out all the instruments
> that
> were easy to get at and put teflon tape on the fittings, finally getting
> the
> leak rate down to about 80ft/min at 1000' above my field elevation. Good
> enough!
>
> I have also heard or using DC-4 silicone lubricant instead of the EZ-turn
> honey like stuff that can just lead to a mess.
>
> Charles
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "andrew phillips" <andrew.phillips@sympatico.ca>
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 8:28 AM
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: Pitot/Static plumbing with Ny-Loc fittings?
>
>
>> <andrew.phillips@sympatico.ca>
>>
>> These are under very low pressure so I used just a little teflon tape
>> (probably could get away with nothing). Some quick release fittings that
>> came in a kit I bought had the tape already on them too.
>>
>> Allen Fulmer wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>When plumbing ASI, ALT, AHRS, etc. with Ny-Loc fittings, do we use
>>>anything
>>>on the pipe threads? Teflon tape, EZ-turn lubricant, etc.?
>>>
>>>TIA,
>>>
>>>Allen Fulmer
>>>RV7 Avionics and wiring
>>>Eggenfellner Subaru E6T on hand
>>>N808AF reserved
>>>Alexander City, AL
>>>256-329-2001
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:16:44 AM PST US
> From: "J. Brunke" <jdoody727@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
> Tad,
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Lightspeed need a second
> battery as a backup power source?
>
> There is a lot of info out there on the P-mags. Yes there were
> software problems in the beginning, but from searching
> on the web I found that the manufacturers did a good job of standing
> behind their product and have pretty well taken
> care of the problems. Knowing that someone will stand behind their
> product is very important to me.
>
> The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed.
>
> I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to use
> automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags.
> Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to
> reduce some of the overall complexity (weight).
>
> Happy building,
> John Brunke
> RV7, tip-up in progress
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tad Sargent
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:51 AM
> Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
> I know of two instances first hand. Both installs began acceptably
> then both died. I know this is a short answer but I would go with
> either Mags or Lightspeed Ignitions.
>
> I have had mags for 359 hours, trouble free. I am installing one
> lightspeed box soon. I like the idea of p-mags but for the same cash
> lightspeeds win the contest for me. They have fewer moving parts and NO
> software updates. Secondly, any A&P can work on them should you need to
> have them looked at. As for the power generation aspect of the
> P=mags I don't buy it. The reliability of your engine does not
> require it. Your car is set up much like the lightspeed ignition.
>
> Your milage may vary
>
> Tad Sargent
>
> 7A
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> jkrowe.1@netzero.net
> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:57 PM
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
> I am about ready to order my engine and considering using an E-mag and
> P-mag instead of slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has
> comments about how they like them and if they have had any problems. I
> talked to someone this weekend and they said they heard that they have
> had some bugs and concerned about the reliability. I would aprreciate
> any input.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
>
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> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:50:49 AM PST US
> From: "Darwin N. Barrie" <ktlkrn@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag
>
> I believe most of the early problems have been worked out. I had some
> early version of the E and Pmags. I have had 4 failures in the first 250
> hours. Two of them were mechanical in nature when a magnet housing came
> loose inside. As a result they have modified the method the magnet is
> secured. The other two were another issue that also has been corrected.
> I have the latest and greatest versions now.
>
> In each case I used the switch to isolate the offending mag and operate
> the remainder of the flight on the good mag. I did not feel my safety
> was in jeopardy in any way. If so I wouldn't be using them.
>
> If you are going to have a mag problem at least these are really simple
> to work on. I can remove and replace in less than an hour.
>
> The performance is excellent. Starts are instantaneous and everything
> runs very smooth. I have no imperical evidence but I believe the Pmags
> give a little power boost.
>
> The fact of the Experimental world is that we, the end user, do most of
> the testing on new products. This allows us to get exceptional products
> at much lower costs than the Certified world. The Pmags are no
> exception.
>
> I have confidence in the product. The company support is incredible.
> Brad and Tom are committed to putting out the best possible product.
> Yeah there were some issues, but I think they may have the bulk of them
> solved.
>
> Many ignition systems have had problems. They just don't get the press
> that newest kid on the block is getting when something does go wrong.
>
> Hope this helps. Feel free to contact me if you have any other
> questions.
>
> Darwin N. Barrie
> Chandler, AZ
> RV7 N 717EE
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 08:35:13 AM PST US
> From: ceengland@bellsouth.net
> Subject: RV7-List: F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck structure)
>
>
> Any -7 tipup builders out there that just received their finish kit?
>
> I'm working on the front deck of the fuse & I'd like to fit the F-643-1
> center
> channel, but it butts against a flange of the F697 hat section & this
> piece is
> included in the finish kit, not the fuse kit.
>
> Can someone measure the material thickness of the F697 for me?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charlie
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 7
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:50:18 AM PST US
> From: "Tad Sargent" <Tadsargent@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
> Your question tells me your mind is made up. As in any man made device it
> is subject to failure, but a double failure in your electrical system.
> What
> are the chances your battery and your alternator system fail at the same
> time. I am using one mag and one lightspeed. Most airshow performers use
> Lightspeed Ignition. I think in any system you buy you pay your money
> then
> go from there. The failures I spoke about were within the last several
> months with updated software systems.
>
>
> "The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed."
>
>
> "I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to use
> automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags.
>
> Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to
>
> reduce some of the overall complexity (weight)." (snip)
>
>
> Is the racing crowd interested in reliability?
>
>
> You did not mention a performance gain with P-mags. Slick mags are self
> powering, reliable, and cost efficient and the plugs last a very long
> time.
>
>
> You asked for observations and comments.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Tad
>
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. Brunke
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:18 AM
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
> Tad,
>
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Lightspeed need a second battery
> as
> a backup power source?
>
>
> There is a lot of info out there on the P-mags. Yes there were software
> problems in the beginning, but from searching
>
> on the web I found that the manufacturers did a good job of standing
> behind
> their product and have pretty well taken
>
> care of the problems. Knowing that someone will stand behind their
> product
> is very important to me.
>
>
> The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed.
>
>
> I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to use
> automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags.
>
> Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to
>
> reduce some of the overall complexity (weight).
>
>
> Happy building,
>
> John Brunke
>
> RV7, tip-up in progress
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Tad <mailto:Tadsargent@bellsouth.net> Sargent
>
>
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:51 AM
>
> Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
> I know of two instances first hand. Both installs began acceptably then
> both died. I know this is a short answer but I would go with either Mags
> or
> Lightspeed Ignitions.
>
> I have had mags for 359 hours, trouble free. I am installing one
> lightspeed
> box soon. I like the idea of p-mags but for the same cash lightspeeds
> win
> the contest for me. They have fewer moving parts and NO software updates.
> Secondly, any A&P can work on them should you need to have them looked at.
> As for the power generation aspect of the P=mags I don't buy it. The
> reliability of your engine does not require it. Your car is set up much
> like the lightspeed ignition.
>
> Your milage may vary
>
> Tad Sargent
>
> 7A
>
>
> _____
>
>
> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> jkrowe.1@netzero.net
> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:57 PM
> Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
> I am about ready to order my engine and considering using an E-mag and
> P-mag
> instead of slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has comments about
> how they like them and if they have had any problems. I talked to someone
> this weekend and they said they heard that they have had some bugs and
> concerned about the reliability. I would aprreciate any input.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
>
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> ________________________________ Message 8
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:52:48 AM PST US
> From: TimUK@aol.com
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck
> structure)
>
> Had the same issue. If you look at the miniature drawings in the back of
> the
> construction manual there is a drawing showing the part with sizes ( I
> THINK
> its page 41). I went ahead and ordered this part by itself its about $
> 9.00 whilst I am waiting for my finish kit.
> Tim
>
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> Time: 10:24:58 AM PST US
> From: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: RV7-List: F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck
> structure)
>
> Be careful about installing it now. It turns out there some reasons it
> ships
> with the finishing kit. I can't exactly remember what they are now (of
> course), but there are nutplates that need to be installed, cutouts thta
> need to be made.. that require the rest of the tip-up release parts in
> place etc. I stuck mine on there early, then had to drill it out.
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TimUK@aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:52 AM
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck
> structure)
>
>
> Had the same issue. If you look at the miniature drawings in the back of
> the
> construction manual there is a drawing showing the part with sizes ( I
> THINK
> its page 41). I went ahead and ordered this part by itself its about $
> 9.00 whilst I am waiting for my finish kit.
> Tim
>
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> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:06:09 PM PST US
> From: "J. Brunke" <jdoody727@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
> Hey Tad,
>
> I was not putting down the light speed at all. It's obviously a good
> system, if not Klaus would be out of business.
>
> This question was put forth by another lister. My only question to you
> was about the second power source.
>
> Sorry I got you seeing red in my writing.
>
> John Brunke
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tad Sargent
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:49 AM
> Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
> Your question tells me your mind is made up. As in any man made
> device it is subject to failure, but a double failure in your electrical
> system. What are the chances your battery and your alternator system
> fail at the same time. I am using one mag and one lightspeed. Most
> airshow performers use Lightspeed Ignition. I think in any system you
> buy you pay your money then go from there. The failures I spoke about
> were within the last several months with updated software systems.
>
>
> "The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed."
>
>
> "I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to use
> automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags.
>
> Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to
>
> reduce some of the overall complexity (weight)." (snip)
>
>
> Is the racing crowd interested in reliability?
>
>
> You did not mention a performance gain with P-mags. Slick mags are
> self powering, reliable, and cost efficient and the plugs last a very
> long time.
>
>
> You asked for observations and comments.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Tad
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. Brunke
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:18 AM
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
> Tad,
>
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Lightspeed need a second
> battery as a backup power source?
>
>
> There is a lot of info out there on the P-mags. Yes there were
> software problems in the beginning, but from searching
>
> on the web I found that the manufacturers did a good job of standing
> behind their product and have pretty well taken
>
> care of the problems. Knowing that someone will stand behind their
> product is very important to me.
>
>
> The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed.
>
>
> I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to use
> automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags.
>
> Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to
>
> reduce some of the overall complexity (weight).
>
>
> Happy building,
>
> John Brunke
>
> RV7, tip-up in progress
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Tad Sargent
>
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:51 AM
>
> Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
> I know of two instances first hand. Both installs began acceptably
> then both died. I know this is a short answer but I would go with
> either Mags or Lightspeed Ignitions.
>
> I have had mags for 359 hours, trouble free. I am installing one
> lightspeed box soon. I like the idea of p-mags but for the same cash
> lightspeeds win the contest for me. They have fewer moving parts and NO
> software updates. Secondly, any A&P can work on them should you need to
> have them looked at. As for the power generation aspect of the
> P=mags I don't buy it. The reliability of your engine does not
> require it. Your car is set up much like the lightspeed ignition.
>
> Your milage may vary
>
> Tad Sargent
>
> 7A
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
>
> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> jkrowe.1@netzero.net
> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:57 PM
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
> I am about ready to order my engine and considering using an E-mag
> and P-mag instead of slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has
> comments about how they like them and if they have had any problems. I
> talked to someone this weekend and they said they heard that they have
> had some bugs and concerned about the reliability. I would aprreciate
> any input.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
>
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> ________________________________ Message 11
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:23:13 PM PST US
> From: "Stan" <bahrns@mchsi.com>
> Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
> Jason,
> I have one of each as well. I had the earlier ser'#s when I installed
> them. They worked very well but I went ahead & sent them in when they came
> out with the update.
> They promptly sent them back with the updates & have performed perfectly.
> They are very easy to install & time & the engine seems to start instantly
> &
> idle smoother than the standard mags. With both emags firing & on 0
> degrees
> before top dead center the engine almost starts immediately. I am very
> happy
> with mine & I think you will be as well.
> Thanks, Stan Bahrns
> RV7-A (70) hrs
> stanb@bahrns.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael T. Ice
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 12:17 AM
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
> Jason,
>
> I have one of each, I have them installed, I have not run the engine yet.
>
> Your Tach may have to be recalibrated to run on an electronic mag.
>
> I like the way they look. I like the way they installed. I followed
> Emagair's wiring instructions and it was simple.
>
> I have heard the same about the reliability but I think that was with
> earlier models.
>
> I will be interested to follow this thread. Hope some others chime in.
> How
> about you Mr. Repucci?
>
> Mike Ice
>
> Baffling my way through the baffles and cowl install.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jkrowe.1@netzero.net
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 7:56 PM
> Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
> I am about ready to order my engine and considering using an E-mag and
> P-mag instead of slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has comments
> about how they like them and if they have had any problems. I talked to
> someone this weekend and they said they heard that they have had some bugs
> and concerned about the reliability. I would aprreciate any input.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
>
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> 11:06 AM
>
> ________________________________ Message 12
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 02:47:52 PM PST US
> From: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
> I was thinking of the E-mag/P-mag set-up, then had
> some emails back and forth with Dan C. and he sold me
> on Klaus... Lightspeed all the way!
>
> Darrell
>
>
> --- "J. Brunke" <jdoody727@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Hey Tad,
>>
>> I was not putting down the light speed at all.
>> It's obviously a good system, if not Klaus would be
>> out of business.
>>
>> This question was put forth by another lister. My
>> only question to you was about the second power
>> source.
>>
>> Sorry I got you seeing red in my writing.
>>
>> John Brunke
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Tad Sargent
>> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:49 AM
>> Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>>
>>
>> Your question tells me your mind is made up. As
>> in any man made device it is subject to failure, but
>> a double failure in your electrical system. What
>> are the chances your battery and your alternator
>> system fail at the same time. I am using one mag
>> and one lightspeed. Most airshow performers use
>> Lightspeed Ignition. I think in any system you buy
>> you pay your money then go from there. The failures
>> I spoke about were within the last several months
>> with updated software systems.
>>
>>
>>
>> "The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed."
>>
>>
>>
>> "I just wanted solid state reliability and having
>> the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards
>> the P-mags.
>>
>> Also not needing a secondary power source, for me,
>> seemed to
>>
>> reduce some of the overall complexity (weight)."
>> (snip)
>>
>>
>>
>> Is the racing crowd interested in reliability?
>>
>>
>>
>> You did not mention a performance gain with
>> P-mags. Slick mags are self powering, reliable, and
>> cost efficient and the plugs last a very long time.
>>
>>
>>
>> You asked for observations and comments.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Tad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On
>> Behalf Of J. Brunke
>> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:18 AM
>> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>>
>>
>>
>> Tad,
>>
>>
>>
>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the
>> Lightspeed need a second battery as a backup power
>> source?
>>
>>
>>
>> There is a lot of info out there on the P-mags.
>> Yes there were software problems in the beginning,
>> but from searching
>>
>> on the web I found that the manufacturers did a
>> good job of standing behind their product and have
>> pretty well taken
>>
>> care of the problems. Knowing that someone will
>> stand behind their product is very important to me.
>>
>>
>>
>> The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed.
>>
>>
>>
>> I just wanted solid state reliability and having
>> the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards
>> the P-mags.
>>
>> Also not needing a secondary power source, for me,
>> seemed to
>>
>> reduce some of the overall complexity (weight).
>>
>>
>>
>> Happy building,
>>
>> John Brunke
>>
>> RV7, tip-up in progress
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Tad Sargent
>>
>> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:51 AM
>>
>> Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>>
>>
>>
>> I know of two instances first hand. Both
>> installs began acceptably then both died. I know
>> this is a short answer but I would go with either
>> Mags or Lightspeed Ignitions.
>>
>> I have had mags for 359 hours, trouble free. I
>> am installing one lightspeed box soon. I like the
>> idea of p-mags but for the same cash lightspeeds win
>> the contest for me. They have fewer moving parts
>> and NO software updates. Secondly, any A&P can work
>> on them should you need to have them looked at. As
>> for the power generation aspect of the P=mags I
>> don't buy it. The reliability of your engine does
>> not require it. Your car is set up much like the
>> lightspeed ignition.
>>
>> Your milage may vary
>>
>> Tad Sargent
>>
>> 7A
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On
>> Behalf Of jkrowe.1@netzero.net
>> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:57 PM
>> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>>
>>
>>
>> I am about ready to order my engine and
>> considering using an E-mag and P-mag instead of
>> slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has
>> comments about how they like them and if they have
>> had any problems. I talked to someone this weekend
>> and they said they heard that they have had some
>> bugs and concerned about the reliability. I would
>> aprreciate any input.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jason
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> ________________________________ Message 13
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:05:16 PM PST US
> From: ceengland@bellsouth.net
> Subject: RE: RV7-List: F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck
> structure)
>
>
> Thanks for the warning, but I don't intend to rivet anything yet. I just
> want to
> drill the F643-1 to the top skin & fit/drill the angle that ties it to the
> firewall,
> before I disassemble all that structure between the instrument panel
> & firewall. I just want to make a temporary shim the same thickness as the
> F697's
> flange so the F643-1 will be properly positioned before I drill it to the
> skin.
>
> Charlie
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Bob Collins" <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
>>
>> Be careful about installing it now. It turns out there some reasons it
>> ships
>> with the finishing kit. I can't exactly remember what they are now (of
>> course), but there are nutplates that need to be installed, cutouts thta
>> need to be made.. that require the rest of the tip-up release parts in
>> place etc. I stuck mine on there early, then had to drill it out.
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TimUK@aol.com
>> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:52 AM
>> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV7-List: F697 thickness? (hat section in front deck
>> structure)
>>
>>
>> Had the same issue. If you look at the miniature drawings in the back of
>> the
>> construction manual there is a drawing showing the part with sizes ( I
>> THINK
>> its page 41). I went ahead and ordered this part by itself its about $
>> 9.00 whilst I am waiting for my finish kit.
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
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>
> ________________________________ Message 14
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:10:11 PM PST US
> From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
> Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
> Since some early issues the E/Pmag combo has been fault free for about 180
> hours.
>
> Frank
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Reiley
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 2:45 PM
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
> --> <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
>
> I was thinking of the E-mag/P-mag set-up, then had some emails back and
> forth with
> Dan C. and he sold me on Klaus... Lightspeed all the way!
>
> Darrell
>
>
> --- "J. Brunke" <jdoody727@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Hey Tad,
>>
>> I was not putting down the light speed at all.
>> It's obviously a good system, if not Klaus would be out of business.
>>
>> This question was put forth by another lister. My
>> only question to you was about the second power source.
>>
>> Sorry I got you seeing red in my writing.
>>
>> John Brunke
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Tad Sargent
>> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:49 AM
>> Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>>
>>
>> Your question tells me your mind is made up. As in any man made
>> device it is subject to failure, but a double failure in your
>> electrical system. What are the chances your battery and your
>> alternator system fail at the same time. I am using one mag and one
>> lightspeed. Most airshow performers use Lightspeed Ignition. I think
>> in any system you buy you pay your money then go from there. The
>> failures I spoke about were within the last several months with
>> updated software systems.
>>
>>
>> "The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed."
>>
>>
>> "I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to
>> use automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags.
>>
>> Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to
>>
>> reduce some of the overall complexity (weight)."
>> (snip)
>>
>>
>> Is the racing crowd interested in reliability?
>>
>>
>> You did not mention a performance gain with P-mags. Slick mags are
>> self powering, reliable, and cost efficient and the plugs last a very
>> long time.
>>
>>
>> You asked for observations and comments.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Tad
>>
>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. Brunke
>> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:18 AM
>> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>>
>>
>> Tad,
>>
>>
>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the
>> Lightspeed need a second battery as a backup power
>> source?
>>
>>
>> There is a lot of info out there on the P-mags.
>> Yes there were software problems in the beginning,
>> but from searching
>>
>> on the web I found that the manufacturers did a
>> good job of standing behind their product and have
>> pretty well taken
>>
>> care of the problems. Knowing that someone will
>> stand behind their product is very important to me.
>>
>>
>> The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed.
>>
>>
>> I just wanted solid state reliability and having
>> the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards
>> the P-mags.
>>
>> Also not needing a secondary power source, for me,
>> seemed to
>>
>> reduce some of the overall complexity (weight).
>>
>>
>> Happy building,
>>
>> John Brunke
>>
>> RV7, tip-up in progress
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Tad Sargent
>>
>> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:51 AM
>>
>> Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>>
>>
>> I know of two instances first hand. Both
>> installs began acceptably then both died. I know
>> this is a short answer but I would go with either
>> Mags or Lightspeed Ignitions.
>>
>> I have had mags for 359 hours, trouble free. I
>> am installing one lightspeed box soon. I like the
>> idea of p-mags but for the same cash lightspeeds win
>> the contest for me. They have fewer moving parts
>> and NO software updates. Secondly, any A&P can work
>> on them should you need to have them looked at. As
>> for the power generation aspect of the P=mags I
>> don't buy it. The reliability of your engine does
>> not require it. Your car is set up much like the
>> lightspeed ignition.
>>
>> Your milage may vary
>>
>> Tad Sargent
>>
>> 7A
>>
>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On
>> Behalf Of jkrowe.1@netzero.net
>> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:57 PM
>> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>>
>>
>> I am about ready to order my engine and
>> considering using an E-mag and P-mag instead of
>> slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has
>> comments about how they like them and if they have
>> had any problems. I talked to someone this weekend
>> and they said they heard that they have had some
>> bugs and concerned about the reliability. I would
>> aprreciate any input.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jason
>>
>>
> _____________________________________________________________
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> ________________________________ Message 15
> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:15:53 PM PST US
> From: "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
> John,
>
> I don't think a second power source is *required*, but rather it is
> *recommended*. I would just put in a small backup battery (~5AH) for
> the EI's anyway. Switch the EI to the B/U battery during the starting
> sequence, so that the main battery is running only the starter. This
> way, any voltage drop would not affect the EI system at all! Just my
> thoughts.
>
> Konrad
>
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: J. Brunke
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 3:05 PM
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
> Hey Tad,
>
> I was not putting down the light speed at all. It's obviously a good
> system, if not Klaus would be out of business.
>
> This question was put forth by another lister. My only question to
> you was about the second power source.
>
> Sorry I got you seeing red in my writing.
>
> John Brunke
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tad Sargent
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:49 AM
> Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
> Your question tells me your mind is made up. As in any man made
> device it is subject to failure, but a double failure in your electrical
> system. What are the chances your battery and your alternator system
> fail at the same time. I am using one mag and one lightspeed. Most
> airshow performers use Lightspeed Ignition. I think in any system you
> buy you pay your money then go from there. The failures I spoke about
> were within the last several months with updated software systems.
>
>
> "The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed."
>
>
> "I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to
> use automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags.
>
> Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to
>
> reduce some of the overall complexity (weight)." (snip)
>
>
> Is the racing crowd interested in reliability?
>
>
> You did not mention a performance gain with P-mags. Slick mags are
> self powering, reliable, and cost efficient and the plugs last a very
> long time.
>
>
> You asked for observations and comments.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Tad
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
>
> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. Brunke
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:18 AM
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
> Tad,
>
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Lightspeed need a second
> battery as a backup power source?
>
>
> There is a lot of info out there on the P-mags. Yes there were
> software problems in the beginning, but from searching
>
> on the web I found that the manufacturers did a good job of standing
> behind their product and have pretty well taken
>
> care of the problems. Knowing that someone will stand behind their
> product is very important to me.
>
>
> The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed.
>
>
> I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to use
> automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags.
>
> Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to
>
> reduce some of the overall complexity (weight).
>
>
> Happy building,
>
> John Brunke
>
> RV7, tip-up in progress
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Tad Sargent
>
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:51 AM
>
> Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
> I know of two instances first hand. Both installs began
> acceptably then both died. I know this is a short answer but I would go
> with either Mags or Lightspeed Ignitions.
>
> I have had mags for 359 hours, trouble free. I am installing one
> lightspeed box soon. I like the idea of p-mags but for the same cash
> lightspeeds win the contest for me. They have fewer moving parts and NO
> software updates. Secondly, any A&P can work on them should you need to
> have them looked at. As for the power generation aspect of the
> P=mags I don't buy it. The reliability of your engine does not
> require it. Your car is set up much like the lightspeed ignition.
>
> Your milage may vary
>
> Tad Sargent
>
> 7A
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
>
> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> jkrowe.1@netzero.net
> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:57 PM
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
> I am about ready to order my engine and considering using an E-mag
> and P-mag instead of slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has
> comments about how they like them and if they have had any problems. I
> talked to someone this weekend and they said they heard that they have
> had some bugs and concerned about the reliability. I would aprreciate
> any input.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
>
> _____________________________________________________________
> Earn your associate's criminal justice degree and start your
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> ____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 03:18:07 PM PST US
> From: "Konrad L. Werner" <klwerner@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
> I agree on you with that. Lightspeed all the way (my personal
> preference)!!!
> do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Darrell Reiley
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 3:45 PM
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
> <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
>
> I was thinking of the E-mag/P-mag set-up, then had
> some emails back and forth with Dan C. and he sold me
> on Klaus... Lightspeed all the way!
>
> Darrell
>
>
> --- "J. Brunke" <jdoody727@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Hey Tad,
> >
> > I was not putting down the light speed at all.
> > It's obviously a good system, if not Klaus would be
> > out of business.
> >
> > This question was put forth by another lister. My
> > only question to you was about the second power
> > source.
> >
> > Sorry I got you seeing red in my writing.
> >
> > John Brunke
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tad Sargent
> > To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:49 AM
> > Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
> >
> >
> > Your question tells me your mind is made up. As
> > in any man made device it is subject to failure, but
> > a double failure in your electrical system. What
> > are the chances your battery and your alternator
> > system fail at the same time. I am using one mag
> > and one lightspeed. Most airshow performers use
> > Lightspeed Ignition. I think in any system you buy
> > you pay your money then go from there. The failures
> > I spoke about were within the last several months
> > with updated software systems.
> >
> >
> >
> > "The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed."
> >
> >
> >
> > "I just wanted solid state reliability and having
> > the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards
> > the P-mags.
> >
> > Also not needing a secondary power source, for me,
> > seemed to
> >
> > reduce some of the overall complexity (weight)."
> > (snip)
> >
> >
> >
> > Is the racing crowd interested in reliability?
> >
> >
> >
> > You did not mention a performance gain with
> > P-mags. Slick mags are self powering, reliable, and
> > cost efficient and the plugs last a very long time.
> >
> >
> >
> > You asked for observations and comments.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Tad
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On
> > Behalf Of J. Brunke
> > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:18 AM
> > To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
> >
> >
> >
> > Tad,
> >
> >
> >
> > Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the
> > Lightspeed need a second battery as a backup power
> > source?
> >
> >
> >
> > There is a lot of info out there on the P-mags.
> > Yes there were software problems in the beginning,
> > but from searching
> >
> > on the web I found that the manufacturers did a
> > good job of standing behind their product and have
> > pretty well taken
> >
> > care of the problems. Knowing that someone will
> > stand behind their product is very important to me.
> >
> >
> >
> > The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed.
> >
> >
> >
> > I just wanted solid state reliability and having
> > the ability to use automotive plugs led me towards
> > the P-mags.
> >
> > Also not needing a secondary power source, for me,
> > seemed to
> >
> > reduce some of the overall complexity (weight).
> >
> >
> >
> > Happy building,
> >
> > John Brunke
> >
> > RV7, tip-up in progress
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: Tad Sargent
> >
> > To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> >
> > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:51 AM
> >
> > Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
> >
> >
> >
> > I know of two instances first hand. Both
> > installs began acceptably then both died. I know
> > this is a short answer but I would go with either
> > Mags or Lightspeed Ignitions.
> >
> > I have had mags for 359 hours, trouble free. I
> > am installing one lightspeed box soon. I like the
> > idea of p-mags but for the same cash lightspeeds win
> > the contest for me. They have fewer moving parts
> > and NO software updates. Secondly, any A&P can work
> > on them should you need to have them looked at. As
> > for the power generation aspect of the P=mags I
> > don't buy it. The reliability of your engine does
> > not require it. Your car is set up much like the
> > lightspeed ignition.
> >
> > Your milage may vary
> >
> > Tad Sargent
> >
> > 7A
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
> >
> > From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On
> > Behalf Of jkrowe.1@netzero.net
> > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:57 PM
> > To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
> >
> >
> >
> > I am about ready to order my engine and
> > considering using an E-mag and P-mag instead of
> > slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has
> > comments about how they like them and if they have
> > had any problems. I talked to someone this weekend
> > and they said they heard that they have had some
> > bugs and concerned about the reliability. I would
> > aprreciate any input.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jason
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Time: 03:49:58 PM PST US
> From: "Tad Sargent" <Tadsargent@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
> No red seeing here, just what I see. I think a second power source is not
> necessary but others may disagree.
>
> All my best,
>
> Tad
>
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. Brunke
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 5:05 PM
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
> Hey Tad,
>
>
> I was not putting down the light speed at all. It's obviously a good
> system, if not Klaus would be out of business.
>
>
> This question was put forth by another lister. My only question to you
> was
> about the second power source.
>
>
> Sorry I got you seeing red in my writing.
>
>
> John Brunke
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Tad <mailto:Tadsargent@bellsouth.net> Sargent
>
>
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:49 AM
>
> Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
> Your question tells me your mind is made up. As in any man made device it
> is subject to failure, but a double failure in your electrical system.
> What
> are the chances your battery and your alternator system fail at the same
> time. I am using one mag and one lightspeed. Most airshow performers use
> Lightspeed Ignition. I think in any system you buy you pay your money
> then
> go from there. The failures I spoke about were within the last several
> months with updated software systems.
>
>
> "The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed."
>
>
> "I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to use
> automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags.
>
> Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to
>
> reduce some of the overall complexity (weight)." (snip)
>
>
> Is the racing crowd interested in reliability?
>
>
> You did not mention a performance gain with P-mags. Slick mags are self
> powering, reliable, and cost efficient and the plugs last a very long
> time.
>
>
> You asked for observations and comments.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Tad
>
>
> _____
>
>
> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J. Brunke
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:18 AM
> Subject: Re: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
> Tad,
>
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Lightspeed need a second battery
> as
> a backup power source?
>
>
> There is a lot of info out there on the P-mags. Yes there were software
> problems in the beginning, but from searching
>
> on the web I found that the manufacturers did a good job of standing
> behind
> their product and have pretty well taken
>
> care of the problems. Knowing that someone will stand behind their
> product
> is very important to me.
>
>
> The racing crowd tends toward the Lightspeed.
>
>
> I just wanted solid state reliability and having the ability to use
> automotive plugs led me towards the P-mags.
>
> Also not needing a secondary power source, for me, seemed to
>
> reduce some of the overall complexity (weight).
>
>
> Happy building,
>
> John Brunke
>
> RV7, tip-up in progress
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Tad <mailto:Tadsargent@bellsouth.net> Sargent
>
>
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 6:51 AM
>
> Subject: RE: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
> I know of two instances first hand. Both installs began acceptably then
> both died. I know this is a short answer but I would go with either Mags
> or
> Lightspeed Ignitions.
>
> I have had mags for 359 hours, trouble free. I am installing one
> lightspeed
> box soon. I like the idea of p-mags but for the same cash lightspeeds
> win
> the contest for me. They have fewer moving parts and NO software updates.
> Secondly, any A&P can work on them should you need to have them looked at.
> As for the power generation aspect of the P=mags I don't buy it. The
> reliability of your engine does not require it. Your car is set up much
> like the lightspeed ignition.
>
> Your milage may vary
>
> Tad Sargent
>
> 7A
>
>
> _____
>
>
> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> jkrowe.1@netzero.net
> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 11:57 PM
> Subject: RV7-List: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability
>
>
> I am about ready to order my engine and considering using an E-mag and
> P-mag
> instead of slick mags. I was wanting to see if anybody has comments about
> how they like them and if they have had any problems. I talked to someone
> this weekend and they said they heard that they have had some bugs and
> concerned about the reliability. I would aprreciate any input.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
>
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Is anyone successfully using Van's copper foil VHF Comm antenna that mounts on
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When I bought my RV7 from the builder it had one of those installed and it
worked great. I removed it for cosmetic reasons and it does not have a
ground plane so it will not have any noise issues if your wiring is poor or
not shielded properly.
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Subject: RV7-List: Van's comm copper foil antenna
Is anyone successfully using Van's copper foil VHF Comm antenna that mounts
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| Subject: | Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability |
Darrell,
What was it that sold you on Lightspeed? I'm aware that an electronic i
gnition will/should give better performance than mags, my concern is ove
r the reliability in the event of an electrical loss. How long is the b
attery going to keep you up? What was it that sold you on Lightspeed ra
ther than the emag/pmag? Also, have you had or do you know of anybody w
ho has had problems with their electronic ignitions?
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| Subject: | Re: E-Mag & P-Mag Reliability |
Jason,
Track record was the big one for me. Customer service
was another. Electrical loss is a non-issue, I will
still have one mag and a Main Buss with a separate
Endurance Buss. Even with dual EI, if the electrical
system is put together with endurance in mind, you
should not worry about an issue.
I also did not like the control unit under the cowl as
with the Emag/Pmag. Lightspeeds control box is in the
cabin area under the panel.
If you'll search VAF, there are numerous issues
reported with the Emag/Pmag to include failures. Some
say innovation... they've had plenty of time, years
and there's still to many issues for me to invest in
the Emag/P-mag systems. IMHO... my 2 cents.
Best regards,
Darrell
--- "jkrowe.1@netzero.net" <jkrowe.1@netzero.net>
wrote:
> Darrell,
> What was it that sold you on Lightspeed? I'm aware
> that an electronic ignition will/should give better
> performance than mags, my concern is over the
> reliability in the event of an electrical loss. How
> long is the battery going to keep you up? What was
> it that sold you on Lightspeed rather than the
> emag/pmag? Also, have you had or do you know of
> anybody who has had problems with their electronic
> ignitions?
> Jason
>
>
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