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1. 05:26 AM - Re: Extra hole (tomcostanza)
2. 06:52 AM - Re: Re: Extra hole (ceengland@bellsouth.net)
3. 08:34 AM - Re: Re: Extra hole (Scott R. Shook)
4. 08:48 AM - Re: Re: Extra hole (John Bright)
5. 09:22 AM - Fiberglass epoxy of choice (Francis Herr)
6. 10:01 AM - Re: Fiberglass epoxy of choice (Scott R. Shook)
7. 01:53 PM - Re: Fiberglass epoxy of choice (Matt Dralle)
8. 02:13 PM - Re: Fiberglass epoxy of choice (David E. Nelson)
9. 02:38 PM - Re: Fiberglass epoxy of choice (Matt Dralle)
10. 02:48 PM - Re: Re: Fiberglass epoxy of choice (David E. Nelson)
11. 04:03 PM - Re: Fiberglass epoxy of choice (Francis Herr)
12. 07:06 PM - Re: Fiberglass epoxy of choice (RALPH HOOVER)
13. 07:26 PM - Re: Fiberglass epoxy of choice (RALPH HOOVER)
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> Where is it on the airframe that the butt-end of a rivet wouldn't be
> acceptable on the inside? Just curious...
Rob,
The xtra hole is in the bottom fuse skin (F-776) where it overlaps the bottom wing
skin. The 2 skins would be held apart by anything thicker than a thousandth
or two.
Right now I'm thinking of ever-so-slightly countersinking the inside of F-776 and
using filler. That would make the filler the shape of a cone instead of a
cylinder. The fat part of the cone would be on the inside, so it wouldn't fall
out, and it wouldn't fall in because the wing skin would be there.
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Clear Skies,
Tom Costanza
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If the hole is overlapping the wing skin and is on the bottom of the
airframe, why not just leave it be? It sounds like if it where it overlaps
the wing skin, then its not coming into the cabin. Just make sure you debur
it so that you don't run into the cracking in the future.
Scott R. Shook
RV-7A (Building)
N696JS (Reserved)
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From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tomcostanza
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 5:24 AM
Subject: RV7-List: Re: Extra hole
<Tom@CostanzaAndAssociates.com>
> Where is it on the airframe that the butt-end of a rivet wouldn't be
> acceptable on the inside? Just curious...
Rob,
The xtra hole is in the bottom fuse skin (F-776) where it overlaps the
bottom wing skin. The 2 skins would be held apart by anything thicker than
a thousandth or two.
Right now I'm thinking of ever-so-slightly countersinking the inside of
F-776 and using filler. That would make the filler the shape of a cone
instead of a cylinder. The fat part of the cone would be on the inside, so
it wouldn't fall out, and it wouldn't fall in because the wing skin would be
there.
--------
Clear Skies,
Tom Costanza
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 9633#209633
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Gee, one has to lay on the ground to see it. My advice; leave it alone and
it will leave you alone.=0A-Thanks, =0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0AJohn Bright
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nzaAndAssociates.com>=0ATo: rv7-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, October
21, 2008 8:23:56 AM=0ASubject: RV7-List: Re: Extra hole=0A=0A--> RV7-List
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Where is it on the airframe that the butt-end of a rivet wouldn't be =0A> a
cceptable on the inside? Just curious...=0A=0A=0ARob,=0AThe xtra hole is in
the bottom fuse skin (F-776) where it overlaps the bottom wing skin.- Th
e 2 skins would be held apart by anything thicker than a thousandth or two.
=0A=0ARight now I'm thinking of ever-so-slightly countersinking the inside
of F-776 and using filler.- That would make the filler the shape of a con
e instead of a cylinder.- The fat part of the cone would be on the inside
, so it wouldn't fall out, and it wouldn't fall in because the wing skin wo
uld be there.=0A=0A--------=0AClear Skies,=0ATom Costanza=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARea
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| Subject: | Fiberglass epoxy of choice |
Hi,
I am just about to start fitting my cowling, so that means the first
fiberglass work on my RV 7A.
Is there a particular type of epoxy/resin the group has found best for
the RV's (use the same or different epoxy for the cowling and fairings)?
Thanks
Francis
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| Subject: | Fiberglass epoxy of choice |
I cannot speak for others but I am using the west system with the
accompanying pumps. One squirt from each and it mixes just right.
Just my thoughts.
Scott R. Shook
RV-7A (Building)
N696JS (Reserved)
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From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Francis Herr
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:21 AM
Subject: RV7-List: Fiberglass epoxy of choice
Hi,
I am just about to start fitting my cowling, so that means the first
fiberglass work on my RV 7A.
Is there a particular type of epoxy/resin the group has found best for
the RV's (use the same or different epoxy for the cowling and fairings)?
Thanks
Francis
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| Subject: | Fiberglass epoxy of choice |
I would echo Scotts comments. I used the West Systems epoxy and was extremely
pleased with the results. Get some microballoons, some flocked cotton, and some
9oz cloth too, to use as filler to mix in with the epoxy where needed.
BTW, ACS has a really nice "starter kit" for fiberglassing that includes all of
the "tools" that make the job a whole lot easier. I bought it and am really
happy I did. I wouldn't have bought some of the things thinking I "wouldn't need
that", but in reality, they came in handy.
You haven't done the tail tips yet, I guess...?
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880
At 09:59 AM 10/21/2008 Tuesday, you wrote:
>
>I cannot speak for others but I am using the west system with the
>accompanying pumps. One squirt from each and it mixes just right.
>
>Just my thoughts.
>
>
>Scott R. Shook
>RV-7A (Building)
>N696JS (Reserved)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Francis Herr
>Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:21 AM
>To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV7-List: Fiberglass epoxy of choice
>
>
>Hi,
>
>I am just about to start fitting my cowling, so that means the first
>fiberglass work on my RV 7A.
>
>Is there a particular type of epoxy/resin the group has found best for
>the RV's (use the same or different epoxy for the cowling and fairings)?
>
>Thanks
>
>Francis
>
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Fiberglass epoxy of choice |
Hi Matt,
Do you have lead on that West Systems starter kit? I can't seem to find
it on ACS's www site.
Thanks,
/\/elson
~~ Lately my memory seems to be like a steel trap .... without any spring.
~~
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
> I would echo Scotts comments. I used the West Systems epoxy and was
> extremely pleased with the results. Get some microballoons, some
> flocked cotton, and some 9oz cloth too, to use as filler to mix in with
> the epoxy where needed.
>
> BTW, ACS has a really nice "starter kit" for fiberglassing that includes
> all of the "tools" that make the job a whole lot easier. I bought it
> and am really happy I did. I wouldn't have bought some of the things
> thinking I "wouldn't need that", but in reality, they came in handy.
>
> You haven't done the tail tips yet, I guess...?
>
> Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880
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| Subject: | RE: Fiberglass epoxy of choice |
Hi Nelson,
Here is a list of stuff to get from ACS to get your fiberglassing project off on the right foot. My empennage tips came out really nice using these ( http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=dralle&project=617&category=2975&log=63902&row=7 ).
Composite Tool Kit (Fiberglassing Starter Tool Kit)
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/comptoolkit.php
West Systems Epoxy (Get the #105 Resin and #206 Hardner)
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/westepoxy.php
West Systems Pump (These work great - Must Have)
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/301PUMP.php
West Systems User Manual (Free! Get it!)
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/neworderform.php?cmd=add&p=01-08750&q=1
9oz Cloth
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/7500.php
Gel Coat
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/polyestergelCoats.php
Flocked Cotton (Course Filler)
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/flockedcotton.php
Microballoons / Glass Bubbles (Fine Filler)
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/bubbles.php
Matt Dralle
RV-8 # 82880
At 02:13 PM 10/21/2008 Tuesday, you wrote:
>
>
>Hi Matt,
>
>Do you have lead on that West Systems starter kit? I can't seem to find it on
ACS's www site.
>
>Thanks,
> /\/elson
>
>
>~~ Lately my memory seems to be like a steel trap .... without any spring. ~~
>
>On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
>>
>>I would echo Scotts comments. I used the West Systems epoxy and was extremely
pleased with the results. Get some microballoons, some flocked cotton, and
some 9oz cloth too, to use as filler to mix in with the epoxy where needed.
>>
>>BTW, ACS has a really nice "starter kit" for fiberglassing that includes all
of the "tools" that make the job a whole lot easier. I bought it and am really
happy I did. I wouldn't have bought some of the things thinking I "wouldn't
need that", but in reality, they came in handy.
>>
>>You haven't done the tail tips yet, I guess...?
>>
>>Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880
>
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Fiberglass epoxy of choice |
Thanks, Matt.
Do not archive.
/\/elson
~~ Lately my memory seems to be like a steel trap .... without any spring. ~~
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
>
> Hi Nelson,
>
> Here is a list of stuff to get from ACS to get your fiberglassing project off on the right foot. My empennage tips came out really nice using these ( http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=dralle&project=617&category=2975&log=63902&row=7 ).
>
>
> Composite Tool Kit (Fiberglassing Starter Tool Kit)
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/comptoolkit.php
>
> West Systems Epoxy (Get the #105 Resin and #206 Hardner)
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/westepoxy.php
>
> West Systems Pump (These work great - Must Have)
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/301PUMP.php
>
> West Systems User Manual (Free! Get it!)
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/neworderform.php?cmd=add&p=01-08750&q=1
>
> 9oz Cloth
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/7500.php
>
> Gel Coat
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/polyestergelCoats.php
>
> Flocked Cotton (Course Filler)
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/flockedcotton.php
>
> Microballoons / Glass Bubbles (Fine Filler)
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/bubbles.php
>
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 # 82880
>
>
> At 02:13 PM 10/21/2008 Tuesday, you wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Matt,
>>
>> Do you have lead on that West Systems starter kit? I can't seem to find it
on ACS's www site.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> /\/elson
>>
>>
>> ~~ Lately my memory seems to be like a steel trap .... without any spring. ~~
>>
>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Matt Dralle wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I would echo Scotts comments. I used the West Systems epoxy and was extremely
pleased with the results. Get some microballoons, some flocked cotton, and
some 9oz cloth too, to use as filler to mix in with the epoxy where needed.
>>>
>>> BTW, ACS has a really nice "starter kit" for fiberglassing that includes all
of the "tools" that make the job a whole lot easier. I bought it and am really
happy I did. I wouldn't have bought some of the things thinking I "wouldn't
need that", but in reality, they came in handy.
>>>
>>> You haven't done the tail tips yet, I guess...?
>>>
>>> Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
> 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
> http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fiberglass epoxy of choice |
Thanks Matt,
No, I have not done the tail (or wing) tips yet. Building in my garage
and figured it was safer (and easier) to store the tips in the house
(under the beds) than attached in the garage.
Thanks again guys.
Francis
N968BF reserved
On Oct 21, 2008, at 4:52 PM, Matt Dralle wrote:
I would echo Scotts comments. I used the West Systems epoxy and was
extremely pleased with the results. Get some microballoons, some
flocked cotton, and some 9oz cloth too, to use as filler to mix in
with the epoxy where needed.
BTW, ACS has a really nice "starter kit" for fiberglassing that
includes all of the "tools" that make the job a whole lot easier. I
bought it and am really happy I did. I wouldn't have bought some of
the things thinking I "wouldn't need that", but in reality, they came
in handy.
You haven't done the tail tips yet, I guess...?
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880
At 09:59 AM 10/21/2008 Tuesday, you wrote:
>
> I cannot speak for others but I am using the west system with the
> accompanying pumps. One squirt from each and it mixes just right.
>
> Just my thoughts.
>
>
> Scott R. Shook
> RV-7A (Building)
> N696JS (Reserved)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Francis Herr
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:21 AM
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV7-List: Fiberglass epoxy of choice
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I am just about to start fitting my cowling, so that means the first
> fiberglass work on my RV 7A.
>
> Is there a particular type of epoxy/resin the group has found best for
> the RV's (use the same or different epoxy for the cowling and
> fairings)?
>
> Thanks
>
> Francis
>
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Fiberglass epoxy of choice |
Francis,
West Systems 105 with 205 fast or 206 slow hardener. If you just get one
hardener use the slow as it gives you more time to work especially for
larger areas.
Ralph & Laura Hoover
RV7A N527LR
Flying as of this afternoon :)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Francis Herr
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 12:21 PM
Subject: RV7-List: Fiberglass epoxy of choice
Hi,
I am just about to start fitting my cowling, so that means the first
fiberglass work on my RV 7A.
Is there a particular type of epoxy/resin the group has found best for
the RV's (use the same or different epoxy for the cowling and fairings)?
Thanks
Francis
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| Subject: | Fiberglass epoxy of choice |
David,
I have found West products at both Boating supply and Hobby shops. Might
save some hazmat shipping!!
Ralph
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David E. Nelson
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 5:13 PM
Subject: RE: RV7-List: Fiberglass epoxy of choice
Hi Matt,
Do you have lead on that West Systems starter kit? I can't seem to find
it on ACS's www site.
Thanks,
/\/elson
~~ Lately my memory seems to be like a steel trap .... without any spring.
~~
On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Matt Dralle wrote:
>
> I would echo Scotts comments. I used the West Systems epoxy and was
> extremely pleased with the results. Get some microballoons, some
> flocked cotton, and some 9oz cloth too, to use as filler to mix in with
> the epoxy where needed.
>
> BTW, ACS has a really nice "starter kit" for fiberglassing that includes
> all of the "tools" that make the job a whole lot easier. I bought it
> and am really happy I did. I wouldn't have bought some of the things
> thinking I "wouldn't need that", but in reality, they came in handy.
>
> You haven't done the tail tips yet, I guess...?
>
> Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880
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