---------------------------------------------------------- RV7-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/21/08: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:26 AM - Re: Extra hole (tomcostanza) 2. 06:52 AM - Re: Re: Extra hole (ceengland@bellsouth.net) 3. 08:34 AM - Re: Re: Extra hole (Scott R. Shook) 4. 08:48 AM - Re: Re: Extra hole (John Bright) 5. 09:22 AM - Fiberglass epoxy of choice (Francis Herr) 6. 10:01 AM - Re: Fiberglass epoxy of choice (Scott R. Shook) 7. 01:53 PM - Re: Fiberglass epoxy of choice (Matt Dralle) 8. 02:13 PM - Re: Fiberglass epoxy of choice (David E. Nelson) 9. 02:38 PM - Re: Fiberglass epoxy of choice (Matt Dralle) 10. 02:48 PM - Re: Re: Fiberglass epoxy of choice (David E. Nelson) 11. 04:03 PM - Re: Fiberglass epoxy of choice (Francis Herr) 12. 07:06 PM - Re: Fiberglass epoxy of choice (RALPH HOOVER) 13. 07:26 PM - Re: Fiberglass epoxy of choice (RALPH HOOVER) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:37 AM PST US Subject: RV7-List: Re: Extra hole From: "tomcostanza" > Where is it on the airframe that the butt-end of a rivet wouldn't be > acceptable on the inside? Just curious... Rob, The xtra hole is in the bottom fuse skin (F-776) where it overlaps the bottom wing skin. The 2 skins would be held apart by anything thicker than a thousandth or two. Right now I'm thinking of ever-so-slightly countersinking the inside of F-776 and using filler. That would make the filler the shape of a cone instead of a cylinder. The fat part of the cone would be on the inside, so it wouldn't fall out, and it wouldn't fall in because the wing skin would be there. -------- Clear Skies, Tom Costanza Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 9633#209633 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:42 AM PST US From: ceengland@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: RV7-List: Re: Extra hole ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:30 AM PST US From: "Scott R. Shook" Subject: RE: RV7-List: Re: Extra hole If the hole is overlapping the wing skin and is on the bottom of the airframe, why not just leave it be? It sounds like if it where it overlaps the wing skin, then its not coming into the cabin. Just make sure you debur it so that you don't run into the cracking in the future. Scott R. Shook RV-7A (Building) N696JS (Reserved) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tomcostanza Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 5:24 AM Subject: RV7-List: Re: Extra hole > Where is it on the airframe that the butt-end of a rivet wouldn't be > acceptable on the inside? Just curious... Rob, The xtra hole is in the bottom fuse skin (F-776) where it overlaps the bottom wing skin. The 2 skins would be held apart by anything thicker than a thousandth or two. Right now I'm thinking of ever-so-slightly countersinking the inside of F-776 and using filler. That would make the filler the shape of a cone instead of a cylinder. The fat part of the cone would be on the inside, so it wouldn't fall out, and it wouldn't fall in because the wing skin would be there. -------- Clear Skies, Tom Costanza Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 9633#209633 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:25 AM PST US From: John Bright Subject: Re: RV7-List: Re: Extra hole Gee, one has to lay on the ground to see it. My advice; leave it alone and it will leave you alone.=0A-Thanks, =0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0AJohn Bright =0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: tomcostanza =0ATo: rv7-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:23:56 AM=0ASubject: RV7-List: Re: Extra hole=0A=0A--> RV7-List message posted by: "tomcostanza" =0A=0A=0A> Where is it on the airframe that the butt-end of a rivet wouldn't be =0A> a cceptable on the inside? Just curious...=0A=0A=0ARob,=0AThe xtra hole is in the bottom fuse skin (F-776) where it overlaps the bottom wing skin.- Th e 2 skins would be held apart by anything thicker than a thousandth or two. =0A=0ARight now I'm thinking of ever-so-slightly countersinking the inside of F-776 and using filler.- That would make the filler the shape of a con e instead of a cylinder.- The fat part of the cone would be on the inside , so it wouldn't fall out, and it wouldn't fall in because the wing skin wo uld be there.=0A=0A--------=0AClear Skies,=0ATom Costanza=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARea d this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p =========================0A ==============0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:22:06 AM PST US From: Francis Herr Subject: RV7-List: Fiberglass epoxy of choice Hi, I am just about to start fitting my cowling, so that means the first fiberglass work on my RV 7A. Is there a particular type of epoxy/resin the group has found best for the RV's (use the same or different epoxy for the cowling and fairings)? Thanks Francis ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:01:35 AM PST US From: "Scott R. Shook" Subject: RE: RV7-List: Fiberglass epoxy of choice I cannot speak for others but I am using the west system with the accompanying pumps. One squirt from each and it mixes just right. Just my thoughts. Scott R. Shook RV-7A (Building) N696JS (Reserved) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Francis Herr Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:21 AM Subject: RV7-List: Fiberglass epoxy of choice Hi, I am just about to start fitting my cowling, so that means the first fiberglass work on my RV 7A. Is there a particular type of epoxy/resin the group has found best for the RV's (use the same or different epoxy for the cowling and fairings)? Thanks Francis ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:53:51 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RE: RV7-List: Fiberglass epoxy of choice I would echo Scotts comments. I used the West Systems epoxy and was extremely pleased with the results. Get some microballoons, some flocked cotton, and some 9oz cloth too, to use as filler to mix in with the epoxy where needed. BTW, ACS has a really nice "starter kit" for fiberglassing that includes all of the "tools" that make the job a whole lot easier. I bought it and am really happy I did. I wouldn't have bought some of the things thinking I "wouldn't need that", but in reality, they came in handy. You haven't done the tail tips yet, I guess...? Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 At 09:59 AM 10/21/2008 Tuesday, you wrote: > >I cannot speak for others but I am using the west system with the >accompanying pumps. One squirt from each and it mixes just right. > >Just my thoughts. > > >Scott R. Shook >RV-7A (Building) >N696JS (Reserved) > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Francis Herr >Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:21 AM >To: rv7-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV7-List: Fiberglass epoxy of choice > > >Hi, > >I am just about to start fitting my cowling, so that means the first >fiberglass work on my RV 7A. > >Is there a particular type of epoxy/resin the group has found best for >the RV's (use the same or different epoxy for the cowling and fairings)? > >Thanks > >Francis > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:13:43 PM PST US From: "David E. Nelson" Subject: RE: RV7-List: Fiberglass epoxy of choice Hi Matt, Do you have lead on that West Systems starter kit? I can't seem to find it on ACS's www site. Thanks, /\/elson ~~ Lately my memory seems to be like a steel trap .... without any spring. ~~ On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Matt Dralle wrote: > > I would echo Scotts comments. I used the West Systems epoxy and was > extremely pleased with the results. Get some microballoons, some > flocked cotton, and some 9oz cloth too, to use as filler to mix in with > the epoxy where needed. > > BTW, ACS has a really nice "starter kit" for fiberglassing that includes > all of the "tools" that make the job a whole lot easier. I bought it > and am really happy I did. I wouldn't have bought some of the things > thinking I "wouldn't need that", but in reality, they came in handy. > > You haven't done the tail tips yet, I guess...? > > Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:38:10 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV7-List: RE: Fiberglass epoxy of choice Hi Nelson, Here is a list of stuff to get from ACS to get your fiberglassing project off on the right foot. My empennage tips came out really nice using these ( http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=dralle&project=617&category=2975&log=63902&row=7 ). Composite Tool Kit (Fiberglassing Starter Tool Kit) http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/comptoolkit.php West Systems Epoxy (Get the #105 Resin and #206 Hardner) http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/westepoxy.php West Systems Pump (These work great - Must Have) http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/301PUMP.php West Systems User Manual (Free! Get it!) http://www.aircraftspruce.com/neworderform.php?cmd=add&p=01-08750&q=1 9oz Cloth http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/7500.php Gel Coat http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/polyestergelCoats.php Flocked Cotton (Course Filler) http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/flockedcotton.php Microballoons / Glass Bubbles (Fine Filler) http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/bubbles.php Matt Dralle RV-8 # 82880 At 02:13 PM 10/21/2008 Tuesday, you wrote: > > >Hi Matt, > >Do you have lead on that West Systems starter kit? I can't seem to find it on ACS's www site. > >Thanks, > /\/elson > > >~~ Lately my memory seems to be like a steel trap .... without any spring. ~~ > >On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Matt Dralle wrote: > >> >>I would echo Scotts comments. I used the West Systems epoxy and was extremely pleased with the results. Get some microballoons, some flocked cotton, and some 9oz cloth too, to use as filler to mix in with the epoxy where needed. >> >>BTW, ACS has a really nice "starter kit" for fiberglassing that includes all of the "tools" that make the job a whole lot easier. I bought it and am really happy I did. I wouldn't have bought some of the things thinking I "wouldn't need that", but in reality, they came in handy. >> >>You haven't done the tail tips yet, I guess...? >> >>Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:48:28 PM PST US From: "David E. Nelson" Subject: Re: RV7-List: RE: Fiberglass epoxy of choice Thanks, Matt. Do not archive. /\/elson ~~ Lately my memory seems to be like a steel trap .... without any spring. ~~ On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Matt Dralle wrote: > > > Hi Nelson, > > Here is a list of stuff to get from ACS to get your fiberglassing project off on the right foot. My empennage tips came out really nice using these ( http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=dralle&project=617&category=2975&log=63902&row=7 ). > > > Composite Tool Kit (Fiberglassing Starter Tool Kit) > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/comptoolkit.php > > West Systems Epoxy (Get the #105 Resin and #206 Hardner) > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/westepoxy.php > > West Systems Pump (These work great - Must Have) > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/301PUMP.php > > West Systems User Manual (Free! Get it!) > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/neworderform.php?cmd=add&p=01-08750&q=1 > > 9oz Cloth > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/7500.php > > Gel Coat > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/polyestergelCoats.php > > Flocked Cotton (Course Filler) > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/flockedcotton.php > > Microballoons / Glass Bubbles (Fine Filler) > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/bubbles.php > > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 # 82880 > > > At 02:13 PM 10/21/2008 Tuesday, you wrote: >> >> >> Hi Matt, >> >> Do you have lead on that West Systems starter kit? I can't seem to find it on ACS's www site. >> >> Thanks, >> /\/elson >> >> >> ~~ Lately my memory seems to be like a steel trap .... without any spring. ~~ >> >> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Matt Dralle wrote: >> >>> >>> I would echo Scotts comments. I used the West Systems epoxy and was extremely pleased with the results. Get some microballoons, some flocked cotton, and some 9oz cloth too, to use as filler to mix in with the epoxy where needed. >>> >>> BTW, ACS has a really nice "starter kit" for fiberglassing that includes all of the "tools" that make the job a whole lot easier. I bought it and am really happy I did. I wouldn't have bought some of the things thinking I "wouldn't need that", but in reality, they came in handy. >>> >>> You haven't done the tail tips yet, I guess...? >>> >>> Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 >> >> >> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:14 PM PST US From: Francis Herr Subject: Re: RV7-List: Fiberglass epoxy of choice Thanks Matt, No, I have not done the tail (or wing) tips yet. Building in my garage and figured it was safer (and easier) to store the tips in the house (under the beds) than attached in the garage. Thanks again guys. Francis N968BF reserved On Oct 21, 2008, at 4:52 PM, Matt Dralle wrote: I would echo Scotts comments. I used the West Systems epoxy and was extremely pleased with the results. Get some microballoons, some flocked cotton, and some 9oz cloth too, to use as filler to mix in with the epoxy where needed. BTW, ACS has a really nice "starter kit" for fiberglassing that includes all of the "tools" that make the job a whole lot easier. I bought it and am really happy I did. I wouldn't have bought some of the things thinking I "wouldn't need that", but in reality, they came in handy. You haven't done the tail tips yet, I guess...? Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 At 09:59 AM 10/21/2008 Tuesday, you wrote: > > I cannot speak for others but I am using the west system with the > accompanying pumps. One squirt from each and it mixes just right. > > Just my thoughts. > > > Scott R. Shook > RV-7A (Building) > N696JS (Reserved) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Francis Herr > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 9:21 AM > To: rv7-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV7-List: Fiberglass epoxy of choice > > > Hi, > > I am just about to start fitting my cowling, so that means the first > fiberglass work on my RV 7A. > > Is there a particular type of epoxy/resin the group has found best for > the RV's (use the same or different epoxy for the cowling and > fairings)? > > Thanks > > Francis > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:06:33 PM PST US From: "RALPH HOOVER" Subject: RE: RV7-List: Fiberglass epoxy of choice Francis, West Systems 105 with 205 fast or 206 slow hardener. If you just get one hardener use the slow as it gives you more time to work especially for larger areas. Ralph & Laura Hoover RV7A N527LR Flying as of this afternoon :) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Francis Herr Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 12:21 PM Subject: RV7-List: Fiberglass epoxy of choice Hi, I am just about to start fitting my cowling, so that means the first fiberglass work on my RV 7A. Is there a particular type of epoxy/resin the group has found best for the RV's (use the same or different epoxy for the cowling and fairings)? Thanks Francis ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:25 PM PST US From: "RALPH HOOVER" Subject: RE: RV7-List: Fiberglass epoxy of choice David, I have found West products at both Boating supply and Hobby shops. Might save some hazmat shipping!! Ralph -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David E. Nelson Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 5:13 PM Subject: RE: RV7-List: Fiberglass epoxy of choice Hi Matt, Do you have lead on that West Systems starter kit? I can't seem to find it on ACS's www site. Thanks, /\/elson ~~ Lately my memory seems to be like a steel trap .... without any spring. ~~ On Tue, 21 Oct 2008, Matt Dralle wrote: > > I would echo Scotts comments. I used the West Systems epoxy and was > extremely pleased with the results. Get some microballoons, some > flocked cotton, and some 9oz cloth too, to use as filler to mix in with > the epoxy where needed. > > BTW, ACS has a really nice "starter kit" for fiberglassing that includes > all of the "tools" that make the job a whole lot easier. I bought it > and am really happy I did. I wouldn't have bought some of the things > thinking I "wouldn't need that", but in reality, they came in handy. > > You haven't done the tail tips yet, I guess...? > > Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv7-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV7-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv7-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv7-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.