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1. 05:26 AM - Tilt vs Slider (Heyden Thomas)
2. 07:15 AM - Re: Tilt vs Slider (Steven Eberhart)
3. 07:55 AM - Re: Tilt vs Slider (David Cudney)
4. 08:21 AM - Re: Tilt vs Slider (Fisher Paul A.)
5. 10:43 AM - Re: Tilt vs Slider (Mike Divan)
6. 11:22 AM - Re: Tilt vs Slider (Larry Helming)
7. 12:00 PM - Re: Tilt vs Slider (Garry)
8. 12:28 PM - Re: Tilt vs Slider (Brian Meyette)
9. 12:36 PM - Re: Tilt vs Slider (Franz Fux)
10. 12:40 PM - Re: Tilt vs Slider (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
11. 01:12 PM - Re: Tilt vs Slider (Brian Meyette)
12. 01:46 PM - Re: Tilt vs Slider (Larry Helming)
13. 02:24 PM - Re: Tilt vs Slider (steve)
14. 04:21 PM - Re: Tilt vs Slider (Steven Reynard)
15. 04:50 PM - Re: Tilt vs Slider (Rob Prior)
16. 06:27 PM - Re: Tilt vs Slider (Franz Fux)
17. 08:27 PM - Re: Tilt vs Slider (Steven DiNieri)
18. 08:31 PM - Rod End Bearing Jam Nut - TORQUE (Garey Wittich)
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Could someone please revisit the issues of selecting a tilt vs sliding cano
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| Subject: | Re: Tilt vs Slider |
Heyden Thomas wrote:
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> Could someone please revisit the issues of selecting a tilt vs sliding
> canopy on the RV-7?
Just a moment ............ back now from revisiting the issue; yup,
still a personal preference item with no chance of changing anyone's
opinion.
IMHO the question is: do you want to give up comfort while taxiing on
hot days for a somewhat less obstructed view out of the canopy?
Steve Eberhart
RV-7A slider, Airworthiness Inspection scheduled for next week
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| Subject: | Re: Tilt vs Slider |
slider:
It looks cooler on the ground and taxi
It is cooler to taxi on hot days
More protection for instruments in rainy weather
tilt:
Much better visibility and a feeling of openness when flying
I originally had a slider for my kit. After flying in several RVs
with sliders and tilts I exchanged my slider hardware for a tilt and
built it with a tilt.
If I built another plane I would probably stick with a tilt-- but I
might waver a bit. Either way they are great planes.
Get rides in both and see which YOU prefer.
dave
RV 7A, 77 hours and in the paint shop
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> sliding canopy on the RV-7?
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I agree it is a personal preference, but the deciding factor for me was eas
y maintenance access to the back of the instrument panel - so I built a til
t up. But as Dave said, either way it's a great airplane.
Paul A. Fisher
RV-7A N18PF (hopefully flying soon!)
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@mat
ronics.com] On Behalf Of David Cudney
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 09:45
Subject: Re: RV7-List: Tilt vs Slider
slider:
It looks cooler on the ground and taxi
It is cooler to taxi on hot days
More protection for instruments in rainy weather
tilt:
Much better visibility and a feeling of openness when flying
I originally had a slider for my kit. After flying in several RVs with sli
ders and tilts I exchanged my slider hardware for a tilt and built it with
a tilt.
If I built another plane I would probably stick with a tilt-- but I might w
aver a bit. Either way they are great planes.
Get rides in both and see which YOU prefer.
dave
RV 7A, 77 hours and in the paint shop
On Jun 3, 2009, at 5:12 AM, Heyden Thomas wrote:
Could someone please revisit the issues of selecting a tilt vs sliding cano
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Thanks,
Vmax
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| Subject: | Re: Tilt vs Slider |
I fly a 6(adopted)with a slider and I have been for rides in tip ups. Botto
m line it is personal preface. =0A=0AThe deciding factor for me is safety.
Look around the web and you can find some pictures and a video or two of RV
s on there backs. It is obvious (to me) that there is little protection in
front of the seats with the tip up. With the slider you have the roll bar i
n front and a bulkhead behind for rollover protection. I know of at least o
ne guy that built a tip up and unfortunately ended up on his back when he r
ebuilt it as a slider. Obviously no one intends to end a flight with there
plane upside down but stuff happens. =0A=0ATo me safety out weighed the vis
ibility factor. I am building a 7 and it will be a slider. Whatever you bui
ld you will be happy with it.=0A=0A Mike Divan=0AN64GH - RV6 (flying) =0Aht
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| Subject: | Re: Tilt vs Slider |
Find a picture of each type canopy. Decide if you want a bar around,
ove and infront of you or one behind and above you. The tipup might be a
bit more airtight. The slider could be cooler looking with your arm hangin
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out as you taxi. Each is a challange to install. Tipup is prone to
chipping the canopy at the rear lower edges. The slider seems to leak air
infrom the rear. I built the tipup myself. If doing it again, I would try
the slider.
Tfhe majority of builders tend to go with the slider and they want to be
cool looking and somewhat cooler in temp when on the ground.
Good Luck. Indiana Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Tilt vs Slider |
I've heard of problems with tilt-ups getting water inside the avionics.
I have a 7A with a slider and when I wash the plane or it rains hard, I
get "some" small amount of water dripping from the junction of the
slider and the windscreen. Does anyone have a cleaver way of preventing
these leaks?
Garry Stout
Tampa, FL
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yeah - a guy named Fred Stucklen in CT did a clever thing with waterproof
fabric over the area, held in place by velcro strips fwd & aft
i'll see if i can scare up some pics of it
brian
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[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garry
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: RV7-List: Tilt vs Slider
I've heard of problems with tilt-ups getting water inside the avionics. I
have a 7A with a slider and when I wash the plane or it rains hard, I get
"some" small amount of water dripping from the junction of the slider and
the windscreen. Does anyone have a cleaver way of preventing these leaks?
Garry Stout
Tampa, FL
05:53:00
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| Subject: | Re: Tilt vs Slider |
I have a slider, flying for 300h now, I choose it because I believe it
offers better protection in case of an unfortunate event when you end up
upside down on the ground, hopefully I would also be able to slide it back
enough to get out. Tip up are easier to work behind the panel and offer
better all around view, although I put in some access panels ahead of the
windshield which work great,
Franz
On 03/06/09 11:03 AM, "Larry Helming" <lrhelming@gmail.com> wrote:
> Find a picture of each type canopy.- Decide if you want a bar around, ove
-and
> infront of you or one behind and above you.- The tipup might be a bit mor
e
> airtight.- The slider could be cooler looking with your arm hanging out a
s you
> taxi.- Each is a challange to install.- Tipup is prone to chipping the ca
nopy
> at the rear lower edges.- The slider seems to leak air infrom the rear.-
I
> built the tipup myself.- If doing it again, I would try the slider.-
> -
> Tfhe majority of builders tend to go with the slider and they want to be
cool
> looking and somewhat cooler in temp when on the ground.-
> -
> Good Luck.- Indiana Larry
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Heyden Thomas <vmax737@hotmail.com> wrote
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Sweet..Post them here cus I have the same issue on my tip up...water on the
GNS430W does not sound like a good idea
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Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 12:25 PM
Subject: RE: RV7-List: Tilt vs Slider
yeah - a guy named Fred Stucklen in CT did a clever thing with waterproof f
abric over the area, held in place by velcro strips fwd & aft
i'll see if i can scare up some pics of it
brian
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here's a picture of how Fred covered his avionics under the tipup
i plan to do something similar
the nylon is held in place fwd & aft by velcro strips
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[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garry
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: RV7-List: Tilt vs Slider
I've heard of problems with tilt-ups getting water inside the avionics. I
have a 7A with a slider and when I wash the plane or it rains hard, I get
"some" small amount of water dripping from the junction of the slider and
the windscreen. Does anyone have a cleaver way of preventing these leaks?
Garry Stout
Tampa, FL
05:53:00
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| Subject: | Re: Tilt vs Slider |
I have a tip up. I replace the rubber caulking around the area where the
canopy frame meets the fuselage at each annual. ( it seems to get squished a
bit) In addition, I have built what I call a drain/gutter made of heavy
plastic sheet that is glued to the sub panel. It lets any water that comes
in drain to the side where it misses the critical electronics. IN ADDITION,
I park outside when at Oshkosh under a canopy cover. I have hear of others
taking along a roll of electrician's tape and taping that critical seam
while parked without cover at Oshkosh. I have a fiberglas strip covering
the rear canopy seam cut.
After four years and flying, some through rain -- but not a lot of it, I
have not had damage to the electonics due to water. (KNOCK ON WOOD)
Indiana Larry
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Brian Meyette <bmeyette@gmail.com> wrote:
> yeah - a guy named Fred Stucklen in CT did a clever thing with waterproof
> fabric over the area, held in place by velcro strips fwd & aft
> i'll see if i can scare up some pics of it
> brian
>
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> *To:* rv7-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV7-List: Tilt vs Slider
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> I've heard of problems with tilt-ups getting water inside the avionics.
> I have a 7A with a slider and when I wash the plane or it rains hard, I get
> "some" small amount of water dripping from the junction of the slider and
> the windscreen. Does anyone have a cleaver way of preventing these leaks?
>
> Garry Stout
> Tampa, FL
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| Subject: | Re: Tilt vs Slider |
If you still fly with a training wheel on the nose, then you might as well
build the tip- up.- However...
--- On Wed, 6/3/09, Steven Eberhart <steve@newtech.com> wrote:
From: Steven Eberhart <steve@newtech.com>
Subject: Re: RV7-List: Tilt vs Slider
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Could someone please revisit the issues of selecting a tilt vs sliding cano
py on the RV-7?
Just a moment ............ back now from revisiting the issue; yup, still a
personal preference item with no chance of changing anyone's opinion.-
IMHO the question is: do you want to give up comfort while taxiing on hot d
ays for a somewhat- less obstructed view out of the canopy?
Steve Eberhart
RV-7A slider, Airworthiness Inspection scheduled for next week
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| Subject: | Re: Tilt vs Slider |
If you are still flying with an obsolete landing gear design, you
might as well build the slider. Anything that improves visibility or
ease of flying may be too much of a change. Perhaps you should forgo
an electrical system as well. . . . ;)
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:17 PM, steve <steve282s@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> If you still fly with a training wheel on the nose, then you might as well build
the tip- up. However...
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| Subject: | Re: Tilt vs Slider |
On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:17:16 -0700 (PDT) steve <steve282s@yahoo.com> wrote
> If you still fly with a training wheel on the nose, then you might as well
> build the tip-up.
Personally, that's the configuration that I always thought didn't look right.
Slider on both models looks good, and the tip-up canopy on the tailwheel models
looks good, but tip-up on the nosewheel models seems really strange.
Keep in mind that the -A models tend to want to tip on their tails if you have
too much weight aft during entry/egress, most notably if two people step up on
the steps at the same time. With a tip-up canopy, you'll tend to lean back getting
in to avoid the canopy, which may exacerbate the problem. The slider forces
you to be further forward on the wing, keeping you where you won't tip.
Mind you, this is just my impression of the configuration... I don't know if two
people getting into a tip-up nosewheel version would really cause the nosewheel
to raise. It just seems like you're asking for trouble.
-Rob
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> From: Steven Eberhart <steve@newtech.com>Subject: Re: RV7-List: Tilt vs
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> yup, still a personal preference item with no chance of changing anyone's
> opinion. IMHO the question is: do you want to give up comfort while taxiing
> on hot days for a somewhat less obstructed view out of the canopy? Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Tilt vs Slider |
Yes it does, happened to me during final inspection, me standing on the wing
and the inspector trying to climb up, scratched the tail cone
Franz
On 03/06/09 3:11 PM, "Rob Prior" <rv7@b4.ca> wrote:
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> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:17:16 -0700 (PDT) steve <steve282s@yahoo.com> wrote
>> If you still fly with a training wheel on the nose, then you might as well
>> build the tip-up.
>
> Personally, that's the configuration that I always thought didn't look right.
> Slider on both models looks good, and the tip-up canopy on the tailwheel
> models looks good, but tip-up on the nosewheel models seems really strange.
>
> Keep in mind that the -A models tend to want to tip on their tails if you have
> too much weight aft during entry/egress, most notably if two people step up on
> the steps at the same time. With a tip-up canopy, you'll tend to lean back
> getting in to avoid the canopy, which may exacerbate the problem. The slider
> forces you to be further forward on the wing, keeping you where you won't tip.
>
> Mind you, this is just my impression of the configuration... I don't know if
> two people getting into a tip-up nosewheel version would really cause the
> nosewheel to raise. It just seems like you're asking for trouble.
>
> -Rob
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> However...--- On Wed, 6/3/09, Steven Eberhart
>> <steve@newtech.com> wrote:
>> From: Steven Eberhart <steve@newtech.com>Subject: Re: RV7-List: Tilt vs
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>> opinion. IMHO the question is: do you want to give up comfort while taxiing
>> on hot days for a somewhat less obstructed view out of the canopy? Steve
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Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: RV7-List: Tilt vs Slider
I've heard of problems with tilt-ups getting water inside the avionics.
I have a 7A with a slider and when I wash the plane or it rains hard, I
get "some" small amount of water dripping from the junction of the
slider and the windscreen. Does anyone have a cleaver way of preventing
these leaks?
Garry Stout
Tampa, FL
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| Subject: | Rod End Bearing Jam Nut - TORQUE |
For you Experts:
Installed the Rod End Bearings in the Rudder and Elevators today. -My loc
al A&P said to tighten the Jam Nut by "Hand Tightening" the Jam Nut as far
as it will go, then turn the nut between 1/4 and 1/2 turn more.
I "hand tightened" the Jam Nut (as the A&P said), but could not get it to t
ighten more than an additional 1/8 turn. -Because the Jam Nut is recessed
, it is impossible to get a wrench squarely on it = any further turning o
f the Nut stars to round the corners of the Nut. -Is this 1/8 turn adequa
te for the Jam Nut tightness, if not how do you turn the Nut (since it is r
ecessed) ??
What Torque Value is required for the Jam Nut, assuming a Torque Wrench can
get into the recessed area - do not see how this can be done.
ANOTHER QUESTION --Have a "click type" torque wrench that starts at 20 in
-lbs. -From previous posts, the FIRST 1/6 and the LAST 1/6 of the Wrench
Scale are inaccurate. -So how do you measure 'LOW VALUES" like for AN3 bo
lts that require 20 - -25 in/lbs plus Friction Torque of approx 5 in/lbs
= 25 to 30 in/lbs TOTAL TORQUE ???-
Appreciate your help,
Garey Wittich - -Santa Monica, CA - -
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