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1. 10:48 AM - Re: Re: New (Free) Aviation App (B Tomm)
2. 12:27 PM - Re: Re: New (Free) Aviation App (Charlie England)
3. 01:31 PM - Re: Re: New (Free) Aviation App (Glenn Brasch)
4. 06:09 PM - Re: Re: New (Free) Aviation App (Charlie England)
5. 07:06 PM - Re: New (Free) Aviation App (gbrasch)
6. 08:31 PM - Re: Re: New (Free) Aviation App (Charlie England)
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| Subject: | Re: New (Free) Aviation App |
Glenn,
I'm interested in the app but am concerned about how much "resources from my
phone" is required and I have to agree to including access to my camera,
microphone, contacts etc. This seems ways too much but since you presumably
designed the app, can you give us some insight as to how/when this ability
is used and why it's even requested?
Bevan
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gbrasch
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2015 11:06 AM
Subject: RV7-List: Re: New (Free) Aviation App
Thank you iPhone users for waiting out the IOS 9 upgrade while the Airport
Courtesy Car app was down. The app is back up for all users and the layout
and look of the app has been upgraded also. The listings continue to grow,
currently at over 1,520, and approaches 25,000 launches. Please continue to
send in listings I have missed or corrections that need to be made and I
will get right on them. And if you use and like the app, please consider a
small donation to help with expenses, even the tip that you leave on the
lunch counter is appreciated. There are PayPal links on the app, and my
mailing address is also listed within the app. Glenn
--------
Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
1952 Piper Tri-Pacer
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Tucson, Arizona
Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447647#447647
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| Subject: | Re: New (Free) Aviation App |
I raised the same concerns when he first started advertising the app. At
the time, his answer was basically, 'the guys who wrote it for me said it
has to be that way.' (Obviously a crock.)
So, Glenn, what about it? Are you willing to force your developers into
writing an app that isn't spyware? You might get more users if you do.
Charlie
On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 12:48 PM, B Tomm <fvalarm@rapidnet.net> wrote:
>
> Glenn,
>
> I'm interested in the app but am concerned about how much "resources from
> my
> phone" is required and I have to agree to including access to my camera,
> microphone, contacts etc. This seems ways too much but since you
> presumably
> designed the app, can you give us some insight as to how/when this ability
> is used and why it's even requested?
>
> Bevan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gbrasch
> Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2015 11:06 AM
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV7-List: Re: New (Free) Aviation App
>
>
> Thank you iPhone users for waiting out the IOS 9 upgrade while the Airport
> Courtesy Car app was down. The app is back up for all users and the layout
> and look of the app has been upgraded also. The listings continue to grow,
> currently at over 1,520, and approaches 25,000 launches. Please continue to
> send in listings I have missed or corrections that need to be made and I
> will get right on them. And if you use and like the app, please consider a
> small donation to help with expenses, even the tip that you leave on the
> lunch counter is appreciated. There are PayPal links on the app, and my
> mailing address is also listed within the app. Glenn
>
> --------
> Glenn Brasch
> RV-9A Flying
> 1952 Piper Tri-Pacer
> Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
> Tucson, Arizona
> Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: New (Free) Aviation App |
Charlie, et al. I have been fighting this battle with the app host from
day one. They insist, as I stated before, that these "permissions" are for
potential future add on's, nothing that I plan on doing. For example, and
again as I said before, if in the future I tried to change the app to allow
users to post pictures, that permission would be in effect. There is no
way I can "force them" to change this, I have tried to get them to change
this and other issues I have had with them. You could help me by
complaining to them. They are iBuildapp.com <http://ibuildapp.com> And
again as I have said, this is an Android issue, I am not an Android user
but I have been told you can just say no to these, true or not? I guess it
depends on the phone.
For this and several other issues I have had with them, I recently
converted ALL the data from the app to a website,
www.airportcourtesycars.com It has been a pleasure dealing with a company
like Go Daddy. So bottom line, now the app works flawlessly on ANY device,
just load the website on your phone, bookmark it to whatever screen you
prefer, and your problem is solved. The only difference is in the maps
feature, you click on each state map instead of a button on the main page.
It is optimized for a computer, so it is a little twitchy on a phone, but
looks great on a computer.
I hope this clears things up. Glenn
On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I raised the same concerns when he first started advertising the app. At
> the time, his answer was basically, 'the guys who wrote it for me said it
> has to be that way.' (Obviously a crock.)
>
> So, Glenn, what about it? Are you willing to force your developers into
> writing an app that isn't spyware? You might get more users if you do.
>
> Charlie
>
> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 12:48 PM, B Tomm <fvalarm@rapidnet.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Glenn,
>>
>> I'm interested in the app but am concerned about how much "resources from
>> my
>> phone" is required and I have to agree to including access to my camera,
>> microphone, contacts etc. This seems ways too much but since you
>> presumably
>> designed the app, can you give us some insight as to how/when this ability
>> is used and why it's even requested?
>>
>> Bevan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gbrasch
>> Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2015 11:06 AM
>> To: rv7-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RV7-List: Re: New (Free) Aviation App
>>
>>
>> Thank you iPhone users for waiting out the IOS 9 upgrade while the Airport
>> Courtesy Car app was down. The app is back up for all users and the layout
>> and look of the app has been upgraded also. The listings continue to grow,
>> currently at over 1,520, and approaches 25,000 launches. Please continue
>> to
>> send in listings I have missed or corrections that need to be made and I
>> will get right on them. And if you use and like the app, please consider a
>> small donation to help with expenses, even the tip that you leave on the
>> lunch counter is appreciated. There are PayPal links on the app, and my
>> mailing address is also listed within the app. Glenn
>>
>> --------
>> Glenn Brasch
>> RV-9A Flying
>> 1952 Piper Tri-Pacer
>> Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
>> Tucson, Arizona
>> Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App.
>>
>>
>>
--
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
-Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: New (Free) Aviation App |
Hi Glenn,
Thanks for the quick response. Sounds like you need a different app
company. This is most certainly *not* an android issue.
With android, it's hard for the user to selectively disable a lot of the
stuff your app has permission to access. You can turn off location
services (the one thing that *might* be useful within the app to some
people) but the rest of the stuff there's little control except at the
app builder's level.
There is no requirement built into android to have access to things the
app doesn't actually need to access. Your image issue is a perfect
example. If the app doesn't actually use the camera or transmit/receive
photos, there is absolutely no reason for that to be included, *except*
that the app builder is worthlessly lazy, or more likely, using your app
users' personal information for the app builder's personal/business gain.
To see examples of minimal vs everything, just pick almost any function
& try a dozen different apps. Some will demand access to everything,
while others that perform the same function may only demand access to a
couple of areas. Try some digital level/bubble level apps, for example.
Thanks for building the same functions into a web site; it's a good
alternative 'til a solution can be found for the app.
Thanks for thinking of the app, and the work,
Charlie
On 5/30/2016 3:29 PM, Glenn Brasch wrote:
> Charlie, et al. I have been fighting this battle with the app host
> from day one. They insist, as I stated before, that these
> "permissions" are for potential future add on's, nothing that I plan
> on doing. For example, and again as I said before, if in the future I
> tried to change the app to allow users to post pictures, that
> permission would be in effect. There is no way I can "force them" to
> change this, I have tried to get them to change this and other issues
> I have had with them. You could help me by complaining to them. They
> are iBuildapp.com <http://ibuildapp.com> And again as I have said,
> this is an Android issue, I am not an Android user but I have been
> told you can just say no to these, true or not? I guess it depends on
> the phone.
>
> For this and several other issues I have had with them, I recently
> converted ALL the data from the app to a website,
> www.airportcourtesycars.com <http://www.airportcourtesycars.com> It
> has been a pleasure dealing with a company like Go Daddy. So bottom
> line, now the app works flawlessly on ANY device, just load the
> website on your phone, bookmark it to whatever screen you prefer, and
> your problem is solved. The only difference is in the maps feature,
> you click on each state map instead of a button on the main page. It
> is optimized for a computer, so it is a little twitchy on a phone, but
> looks great on a computer.
>
> I hope this clears things up. Glenn
>
> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Charlie England
> <ceengland7@gmail.com <mailto:ceengland7@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I raised the same concerns when he first started advertising the
> app. At the time, his answer was basically, 'the guys who wrote it
> for me said it has to be that way.' (Obviously a crock.)
>
> So, Glenn, what about it? Are you willing to force your developers
> into writing an app that isn't spyware? You might get more users
> if you do.
>
> Charlie
>
> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 12:48 PM, B Tomm <fvalarm@rapidnet.net
> <mailto:fvalarm@rapidnet.net>> wrote:
>
> <mailto:fvalarm@rapidnet.net>>
>
> Glenn,
>
> I'm interested in the app but am concerned about how much
> "resources from my
> phone" is required and I have to agree to including access to
> my camera,
> microphone, contacts etc. This seems ways too much but since
> you presumably
> designed the app, can you give us some insight as to how/when
> this ability
> is used and why it's even requested?
>
> Bevan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com>] On Behalf Of gbrasch
> Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2015 11:06 AM
> To: rv7-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv7-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV7-List: Re: New (Free) Aviation App
>
> <mailto:gmbrasch@gmail.com>>
>
> Thank you iPhone users for waiting out the IOS 9 upgrade while
> the Airport
> Courtesy Car app was down. The app is back up for all users
> and the layout
> and look of the app has been upgraded also. The listings
> continue to grow,
> currently at over 1,520, and approaches 25,000 launches.
> Please continue to
> send in listings I have missed or corrections that need to be
> made and I
> will get right on them. And if you use and like the app,
> please consider a
> small donation to help with expenses, even the tip that you
> leave on the
> lunch counter is appreciated. There are PayPal links on the
> app, and my
> mailing address is also listed within the app. Glenn
>
> --------
> Glenn Brasch
> RV-9A Flying
> 1952 Piper Tri-Pacer
> Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
> Tucson, Arizona
> Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App.
>
>
> --
>
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
>
> -Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
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| Subject: | Re: New (Free) Aviation App |
Thanks Charlie, I don't disagree with what you have said, I just know these are
non issues with iPhone apps. That is probably why 9/10th of my downloads are
on iPhones. And I understand why people would not want to download an app that
asks for all those things. I do wonder however if the people that host the
app are really sitting in a back room somewhere looking at pictures.
And your right, I need a new company, but have been unable to find one that does
not require doing HTML code, which this one does not for computer dummies like
me. I have thought about dumping them and the app altogether and sticking
with the website that can be used on any phone, still may do that when my bill
comes due, as I have spent over a year working on this and I still hear the same
complaints, but at the same time how much people like the app. If I got paid
minimum wage for the hours I have put into this I could go out and buy a nice
new car. Take care and fly safe. Glenn
--------
Glenn Brasch
RV-9A Flying
Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App
and www.airportcourtesycars.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=456688#456688
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| Subject: | Re: New (Free) Aviation App |
I hope you don't think that it's pictures we're worried about. Most
people have their entire lives on their phones, and the app gives the
author access to the entire phone.
Google's motto is 'don't be evil', but apparently they're happy to allow
app writers to be as evil as they want.
On 5/30/2016 9:05 PM, gbrasch wrote:
>
> Thanks Charlie, I don't disagree with what you have said, I just know these are
non issues with iPhone apps. That is probably why 9/10th of my downloads are
on iPhones. And I understand why people would not want to download an app that
asks for all those things. I do wonder however if the people that host the
app are really sitting in a back room somewhere looking at pictures.
>
> And your right, I need a new company, but have been unable to find one that does
not require doing HTML code, which this one does not for computer dummies
like me. I have thought about dumping them and the app altogether and sticking
with the website that can be used on any phone, still may do that when my bill
comes due, as I have spent over a year working on this and I still hear the
same complaints, but at the same time how much people like the app. If I got
paid minimum wage for the hours I have put into this I could go out and buy a
nice new car. Take care and fly safe. Glenn
>
> --------
> Glenn Brasch
> RV-9A Flying
> Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret)
> Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App
> and www.airportcourtesycars.com
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