---------------------------------------------------------- RV7-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/30/16: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:48 AM - Re: Re: New (Free) Aviation App (B Tomm) 2. 12:27 PM - Re: Re: New (Free) Aviation App (Charlie England) 3. 01:31 PM - Re: Re: New (Free) Aviation App (Glenn Brasch) 4. 06:09 PM - Re: Re: New (Free) Aviation App (Charlie England) 5. 07:06 PM - Re: New (Free) Aviation App (gbrasch) 6. 08:31 PM - Re: Re: New (Free) Aviation App (Charlie England) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:48:49 AM PST US From: "B Tomm" Subject: RE: RV7-List: Re: New (Free) Aviation App Glenn, I'm interested in the app but am concerned about how much "resources from my phone" is required and I have to agree to including access to my camera, microphone, contacts etc. This seems ways too much but since you presumably designed the app, can you give us some insight as to how/when this ability is used and why it's even requested? Bevan -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gbrasch Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2015 11:06 AM Subject: RV7-List: Re: New (Free) Aviation App Thank you iPhone users for waiting out the IOS 9 upgrade while the Airport Courtesy Car app was down. The app is back up for all users and the layout and look of the app has been upgraded also. The listings continue to grow, currently at over 1,520, and approaches 25,000 launches. Please continue to send in listings I have missed or corrections that need to be made and I will get right on them. And if you use and like the app, please consider a small donation to help with expenses, even the tip that you leave on the lunch counter is appreciated. There are PayPal links on the app, and my mailing address is also listed within the app. Glenn -------- Glenn Brasch RV-9A Flying 1952 Piper Tri-Pacer Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret) Tucson, Arizona Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=447647#447647 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:27:16 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV7-List: Re: New (Free) Aviation App From: Charlie England I raised the same concerns when he first started advertising the app. At the time, his answer was basically, 'the guys who wrote it for me said it has to be that way.' (Obviously a crock.) So, Glenn, what about it? Are you willing to force your developers into writing an app that isn't spyware? You might get more users if you do. Charlie On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 12:48 PM, B Tomm wrote: > > Glenn, > > I'm interested in the app but am concerned about how much "resources from > my > phone" is required and I have to agree to including access to my camera, > microphone, contacts etc. This seems ways too much but since you > presumably > designed the app, can you give us some insight as to how/when this ability > is used and why it's even requested? > > Bevan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gbrasch > Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2015 11:06 AM > To: rv7-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV7-List: Re: New (Free) Aviation App > > > Thank you iPhone users for waiting out the IOS 9 upgrade while the Airport > Courtesy Car app was down. The app is back up for all users and the layout > and look of the app has been upgraded also. The listings continue to grow, > currently at over 1,520, and approaches 25,000 launches. Please continue to > send in listings I have missed or corrections that need to be made and I > will get right on them. And if you use and like the app, please consider a > small donation to help with expenses, even the tip that you leave on the > lunch counter is appreciated. There are PayPal links on the app, and my > mailing address is also listed within the app. Glenn > > -------- > Glenn Brasch > RV-9A Flying > 1952 Piper Tri-Pacer > Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret) > Tucson, Arizona > Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App. > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:31:36 PM PST US From: Glenn Brasch Subject: Re: RV7-List: Re: New (Free) Aviation App Charlie, et al. I have been fighting this battle with the app host from day one. They insist, as I stated before, that these "permissions" are for potential future add on's, nothing that I plan on doing. For example, and again as I said before, if in the future I tried to change the app to allow users to post pictures, that permission would be in effect. There is no way I can "force them" to change this, I have tried to get them to change this and other issues I have had with them. You could help me by complaining to them. They are iBuildapp.com And again as I have said, this is an Android issue, I am not an Android user but I have been told you can just say no to these, true or not? I guess it depends on the phone. For this and several other issues I have had with them, I recently converted ALL the data from the app to a website, www.airportcourtesycars.com It has been a pleasure dealing with a company like Go Daddy. So bottom line, now the app works flawlessly on ANY device, just load the website on your phone, bookmark it to whatever screen you prefer, and your problem is solved. The only difference is in the maps feature, you click on each state map instead of a button on the main page. It is optimized for a computer, so it is a little twitchy on a phone, but looks great on a computer. I hope this clears things up. Glenn On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Charlie England wrote: > I raised the same concerns when he first started advertising the app. At > the time, his answer was basically, 'the guys who wrote it for me said it > has to be that way.' (Obviously a crock.) > > So, Glenn, what about it? Are you willing to force your developers into > writing an app that isn't spyware? You might get more users if you do. > > Charlie > > On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 12:48 PM, B Tomm wrote: > >> >> Glenn, >> >> I'm interested in the app but am concerned about how much "resources from >> my >> phone" is required and I have to agree to including access to my camera, >> microphone, contacts etc. This seems ways too much but since you >> presumably >> designed the app, can you give us some insight as to how/when this ability >> is used and why it's even requested? >> >> Bevan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gbrasch >> Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2015 11:06 AM >> To: rv7-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RV7-List: Re: New (Free) Aviation App >> >> >> Thank you iPhone users for waiting out the IOS 9 upgrade while the Airport >> Courtesy Car app was down. The app is back up for all users and the layout >> and look of the app has been upgraded also. The listings continue to grow, >> currently at over 1,520, and approaches 25,000 launches. Please continue >> to >> send in listings I have missed or corrections that need to be made and I >> will get right on them. And if you use and like the app, please consider a >> small donation to help with expenses, even the tip that you leave on the >> lunch counter is appreciated. There are PayPal links on the app, and my >> mailing address is also listed within the app. Glenn >> >> -------- >> Glenn Brasch >> RV-9A Flying >> 1952 Piper Tri-Pacer >> Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret) >> Tucson, Arizona >> Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App. >> >> >> -- "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." -Antoine de Saint-Exupery ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV7-List: Re: New (Free) Aviation App From: Charlie England Hi Glenn, Thanks for the quick response. Sounds like you need a different app company. This is most certainly *not* an android issue. With android, it's hard for the user to selectively disable a lot of the stuff your app has permission to access. You can turn off location services (the one thing that *might* be useful within the app to some people) but the rest of the stuff there's little control except at the app builder's level. There is no requirement built into android to have access to things the app doesn't actually need to access. Your image issue is a perfect example. If the app doesn't actually use the camera or transmit/receive photos, there is absolutely no reason for that to be included, *except* that the app builder is worthlessly lazy, or more likely, using your app users' personal information for the app builder's personal/business gain. To see examples of minimal vs everything, just pick almost any function & try a dozen different apps. Some will demand access to everything, while others that perform the same function may only demand access to a couple of areas. Try some digital level/bubble level apps, for example. Thanks for building the same functions into a web site; it's a good alternative 'til a solution can be found for the app. Thanks for thinking of the app, and the work, Charlie On 5/30/2016 3:29 PM, Glenn Brasch wrote: > Charlie, et al. I have been fighting this battle with the app host > from day one. They insist, as I stated before, that these > "permissions" are for potential future add on's, nothing that I plan > on doing. For example, and again as I said before, if in the future I > tried to change the app to allow users to post pictures, that > permission would be in effect. There is no way I can "force them" to > change this, I have tried to get them to change this and other issues > I have had with them. You could help me by complaining to them. They > are iBuildapp.com And again as I have said, > this is an Android issue, I am not an Android user but I have been > told you can just say no to these, true or not? I guess it depends on > the phone. > > For this and several other issues I have had with them, I recently > converted ALL the data from the app to a website, > www.airportcourtesycars.com It > has been a pleasure dealing with a company like Go Daddy. So bottom > line, now the app works flawlessly on ANY device, just load the > website on your phone, bookmark it to whatever screen you prefer, and > your problem is solved. The only difference is in the maps feature, > you click on each state map instead of a button on the main page. It > is optimized for a computer, so it is a little twitchy on a phone, but > looks great on a computer. > > I hope this clears things up. Glenn > > On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Charlie England > > wrote: > > I raised the same concerns when he first started advertising the > app. At the time, his answer was basically, 'the guys who wrote it > for me said it has to be that way.' (Obviously a crock.) > > So, Glenn, what about it? Are you willing to force your developers > into writing an app that isn't spyware? You might get more users > if you do. > > Charlie > > On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 12:48 PM, B Tomm > wrote: > > > > > Glenn, > > I'm interested in the app but am concerned about how much > "resources from my > phone" is required and I have to agree to including access to > my camera, > microphone, contacts etc. This seems ways too much but since > you presumably > designed the app, can you give us some insight as to how/when > this ability > is used and why it's even requested? > > Bevan > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv7-list-server@matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of gbrasch > Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2015 11:06 AM > To: rv7-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV7-List: Re: New (Free) Aviation App > > > > > Thank you iPhone users for waiting out the IOS 9 upgrade while > the Airport > Courtesy Car app was down. The app is back up for all users > and the layout > and look of the app has been upgraded also. The listings > continue to grow, > currently at over 1,520, and approaches 25,000 launches. > Please continue to > send in listings I have missed or corrections that need to be > made and I > will get right on them. And if you use and like the app, > please consider a > small donation to help with expenses, even the tip that you > leave on the > lunch counter is appreciated. There are PayPal links on the > app, and my > mailing address is also listed within the app. Glenn > > -------- > Glenn Brasch > RV-9A Flying > 1952 Piper Tri-Pacer > Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret) > Tucson, Arizona > Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App. > > > -- > > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > -Antoine de Saint-Exupery > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:06:00 PM PST US Subject: RV7-List: Re: New (Free) Aviation App From: "gbrasch" Thanks Charlie, I don't disagree with what you have said, I just know these are non issues with iPhone apps. That is probably why 9/10th of my downloads are on iPhones. And I understand why people would not want to download an app that asks for all those things. I do wonder however if the people that host the app are really sitting in a back room somewhere looking at pictures. And your right, I need a new company, but have been unable to find one that does not require doing HTML code, which this one does not for computer dummies like me. I have thought about dumping them and the app altogether and sticking with the website that can be used on any phone, still may do that when my bill comes due, as I have spent over a year working on this and I still hear the same complaints, but at the same time how much people like the app. If I got paid minimum wage for the hours I have put into this I could go out and buy a nice new car. Take care and fly safe. Glenn -------- Glenn Brasch RV-9A Flying Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret) Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App and www.airportcourtesycars.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=456688#456688 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:46 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV7-List: Re: New (Free) Aviation App From: Charlie England I hope you don't think that it's pictures we're worried about. Most people have their entire lives on their phones, and the app gives the author access to the entire phone. Google's motto is 'don't be evil', but apparently they're happy to allow app writers to be as evil as they want. On 5/30/2016 9:05 PM, gbrasch wrote: > > Thanks Charlie, I don't disagree with what you have said, I just know these are non issues with iPhone apps. That is probably why 9/10th of my downloads are on iPhones. And I understand why people would not want to download an app that asks for all those things. I do wonder however if the people that host the app are really sitting in a back room somewhere looking at pictures. > > And your right, I need a new company, but have been unable to find one that does not require doing HTML code, which this one does not for computer dummies like me. I have thought about dumping them and the app altogether and sticking with the website that can be used on any phone, still may do that when my bill comes due, as I have spent over a year working on this and I still hear the same complaints, but at the same time how much people like the app. If I got paid minimum wage for the hours I have put into this I could go out and buy a nice new car. Take care and fly safe. Glenn > > -------- > Glenn Brasch > RV-9A Flying > Medevac Helicopter Pilot (Ret) > Owner, "Airport Courtesy Cars" Smart Phone App > and www.airportcourtesycars.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv7-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV7-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv7-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv7-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.