---------------------------------------------------------- RV8-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/14/03: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:13 AM - Re: RV-8 Take Off Performance (Norman) 2. 07:45 AM - Re: RV-8 Take Off Performance (Bert Penney) 3. 08:22 AM - Re: RV-8 Take Off Performance (Johnson James Maj 320 AEW/SE) 4. 08:41 AM - Re: RV-8 Take Off Performance (Justin Hagemeier) 5. 08:56 AM - Re: RV-8 Take Off Performance (Scott Brumbelow) 6. 09:16 AM - Re: RV-8 Take Off Performance (Chris) 7. 09:20 AM - Re: RV-8 Take Off Performance (Cy Galley) 8. 09:31 AM - Re: RV-8 Take Off Performance (Norman) 9. 10:56 AM - Re: RV-8 Take Off Performance (RV_8 Pilot) 10. 11:53 AM - Re: RV-8 Take Off Performance (Bert Penney) 11. 12:23 PM - Re: RV-8 Take Off Performance (Dr. Leathers) 12. 12:42 PM - Re: RV-8 Take Off Performance (Bert Penney) 13. 06:07 PM - Re: RV-8 Take Off Performance (Tony Johnson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:13:02 AM PST US From: "Norman" Subject: Re: RV8-List: RV-8 Take Off Performance --> RV8-List message posted by: "Norman" Hey Bert, how much room do you have? There was a very long discussion on this list a few years ago on just exactly what is a safe amount of room. One consensus was that the landing would be more demanding. The other was that it is really up to the pilots skill. Most people came up with a number that was to their personal comfort. I recall deciding mine would be 1500 ft. Norman Hunger RV6A Delta BC Do not archive > Hi All, > > I was wondering if anyone had real world take off performance numbers > for an RV-8. I know that Van's says 250 ft solo and 500 ft gross, but I > would like to confirm those numbers. I would also like to get a handle > on the take off over a 50' obstacle numbers. The reason I am so > interested is that I would like to build a runway in my back yard, and I > don't have a lot of room plus I have some trees that I will have to > clear at the end. > > Thanks > > Bert ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:05 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV8-List: RV-8 Take Off Performance From: "Bert Penney" --> RV8-List message posted by: "Bert Penney" Hi Norman, I believe that I can squeeze about 700' out of my lot for a runway. What first started me thinking about building a runway was the intro video from Van's. In it, they say that Van lived on a farm with a 650' runway. It seemed to imply that he had used that runway for at least his early designs so I thought if he can use 650', 700' ought to work. To be safe, though, I thought that I would restrict my take off and landing weights to around that of solo operations (1600 lb ?). Bert -----Original Message----- From: Norman [mailto:nhunger@sprint.ca] Subject: Re: RV8-List: RV-8 Take Off Performance --> RV8-List message posted by: "Norman" Hey Bert, how much room do you have? There was a very long discussion on this list a few years ago on just exactly what is a safe amount of room. One consensus was that the landing would be more demanding. The other was that it is really up to the pilots skill. Most people came up with a number that was to their personal comfort. I recall deciding mine would be 1500 ft. Norman Hunger RV6A Delta BC Do not archive > Hi All, > > I was wondering if anyone had real world take off performance numbers > for an RV-8. I know that Van's says 250 ft solo and 500 ft gross, but I > would like to confirm those numbers. I would also like to get a handle > on the take off over a 50' obstacle numbers. The reason I am so > interested is that I would like to build a runway in my back yard, and I > don't have a lot of room plus I have some trees that I will have to > clear at the end. > > Thanks > > Bert ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:16 AM PST US From: Johnson James Maj 320 AEW/SE Subject: RE: RV8-List: RV-8 Take Off Performance --> RV8-List message posted by: Johnson James Maj 320 AEW/SE Bert, I've been watching this exchange and can't stand it anymore. If you are seriously thinking of using 700' as a runway, I'm sure it won't be too long before I read about you in the accident reports. The RV design, I've owned 4 and now have a Rocket, is wonderful and 300' is possible, if you don't mind paying for brakes and frequent near full stall approaches. But if you scew up, if the wind blows wrong, if there is a wind shear...if, if, if, you'll be a statistic. Never plan for the minimum. When I made an emergency landing last year on a small road in a mountain at 8,500' MSL on 650 feet of a stretch of straight road, I was thankful for the design of the plane and it's capabilites. But EVERYTHING worked perfect, including temperature, winds and luck. Someone mentioned earlier 1,500 feet. I'd say that as a minimum. Never tempt luck, your skills may need to use some every now and then. Jj Rocket Driver -----Original Message----- From: Bert Penney [mailto:van@entechnos.com] Subject: RE: RV8-List: RV-8 Take Off Performance --> RV8-List message posted by: "Bert Penney" Hi Norman, I believe that I can squeeze about 700' out of my lot for a runway. What first started me thinking about building a runway was the intro video from Van's. In it, they say that Van lived on a farm with a 650' runway. It seemed to imply that he had used that runway for at least his early designs so I thought if he can use 650', 700' ought to work. To be safe, though, I thought that I would restrict my take off and landing weights to around that of solo operations (1600 lb ?). Bert -----Original Message----- From: Norman [mailto:nhunger@sprint.ca] Subject: Re: RV8-List: RV-8 Take Off Performance --> RV8-List message posted by: "Norman" Hey Bert, how much room do you have? There was a very long discussion on this list a few years ago on just exactly what is a safe amount of room. One consensus was that the landing would be more demanding. The other was that it is really up to the pilots skill. Most people came up with a number that was to their personal comfort. I recall deciding mine would be 1500 ft. Norman Hunger RV6A Delta BC Do not archive > Hi All, > > I was wondering if anyone had real world take off performance numbers > for an RV-8. I know that Van's says 250 ft solo and 500 ft gross, but I > would like to confirm those numbers. I would also like to get a handle > on the take off over a 50' obstacle numbers. The reason I am so > interested is that I would like to build a runway in my back yard, and I > don't have a lot of room plus I have some trees that I will have to > clear at the end. > > Thanks > > Bert ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:53 AM PST US From: Justin Hagemeier Subject: RE: RV8-List: RV-8 Take Off Performance --> RV8-List message posted by: Justin Hagemeier Hi Bert, I don't think that anything less than 1500 is safe. At least here in Arkansas at 700 MSL where I am at with an average summertime density altitude of 2000 feet. I wouldn't want a runway that required nothing less than absolute precision in takeoff and landing technique and weight calculation. I soloed out of an 1800 ft. strip with obstacles on both ends, and that was tight enough. Besides a bigger strip would let other things besides your RV or a Cub to land. Which you might want if you have friends who would fly over. Good Luck, Justin Hagemeier RV-8 Empennage ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:29 AM PST US From: Scott Brumbelow Subject: Re: RV8-List: RV-8 Take Off Performance --> RV8-List message posted by: Scott Brumbelow I am not sure "to be safe" and "700' of runway" and "RV-8" should go in the same sentence. Not saying it couldn't be done, but there certainly wouldn't be much margin for error. Also, keep in mind that the video from Van's is a sales pitch. While it may be true that he used a 650' runway, what was around it? If I remember correctly, open flat fields (i.e., NOT trees or any obstacles). Thus, Van's EFFECTIVE runway was a lot more than 650'. It all comes down to what you are comfortable with. I for one would not want "forced" payload restrictions on me like this. Additionally, I would not want my heart in my throat every time I made my approach to my postage stamp runway! To put things in perspective, let's say you are making an approach, but coming in a little hot - say 80 mph. Do you realize that at 80 mph you will transition the length of your runway in just under 6 seconds? Again, just not very much leeway or margin here. Believe me, I would LOVE to be able to fly my RV from my backyard. However, don't let that desire force you into a borderline decision with this - it just sounds to me like you may be trying to force the situation a little bit. And that tends to be what kills people. Good luck! Scott in Memphis RV-8A, cowling, electrical Bert Penney wrote: > --> RV8-List message posted by: "Bert Penney" > > Hi Norman, > > I believe that I can squeeze about 700' out of my lot for a runway. > What first started me thinking about building a runway was the intro > video from Van's. In it, they say that Van lived on a farm with a 650' > runway. It seemed to imply that he had used that runway for at least > his early designs so I thought if he can use 650', 700' ought to work. > To be safe, though, I thought that I would restrict my take off and > landing weights to around that of solo operations (1600 lb ?). > > Bert > > -----Original Message----- > From: Norman [mailto:nhunger@sprint.ca] > To: rv8-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV8-List: RV-8 Take Off Performance > > --> RV8-List message posted by: "Norman" > > Hey Bert, how much room do you have? There was a very long discussion on > this list a few years ago on just exactly what is a safe amount of room. > One > consensus was that the landing would be more demanding. The other was > that > it is really up to the pilots skill. Most people came up with a number > that > was to their personal comfort. I recall deciding mine would be 1500 ft. > > Norman Hunger > RV6A Delta BC > Do not archive > > > Hi All, > > > > I was wondering if anyone had real world take off performance numbers > > for an RV-8. I know that Van's says 250 ft solo and 500 ft gross, but > I > > would like to confirm those numbers. I would also like to get a > handle > > on the take off over a 50' obstacle numbers. The reason I am so > > interested is that I would like to build a runway in my back yard, and > I > > don't have a lot of room plus I have some trees that I will have to > > clear at the end. > > > > Thanks > > > > Bert > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:16:11 AM PST US From: Chris Subject: Re: RV8-List: RV-8 Take Off Performance --> RV8-List message posted by: Chris I have to disagree some what. 700 feet isn't much and most pilots would probably get in to trouble sooner or later on a strip that short. I'm not even going to talk about what I would do. But, I have a friend that used to fly for a living in Alaska with some where around 4,000 hours last I remember and he would commonly land on strips around that length. However keep in mind that they were all mostly beeches, so the were at sea level and with the temperatures in Alaska, density altitude was pretty low too. So he did have that on his side. So I think it is do able if you are good enough and the altitude of the field isn't too high. Johnson James Maj 320 AEW/SE wrote: > --> RV8-List message posted by: Johnson James Maj 320 AEW/SE > > Bert, > > I've been watching this exchange and can't stand it anymore. If you are > seriously thinking of using 700' as a runway, I'm sure it won't be too long > before I read about you in the accident reports. The RV design, I've owned > 4 and now have a Rocket, is wonderful and 300' is possible, if you don't > mind paying for brakes and frequent near full stall approaches. But if you > scew up, if the wind blows wrong, if there is a wind shear...if, if, if, > you'll be a statistic. Never plan for the minimum. When I made an > emergency landing last year on a small road in a mountain at 8,500' MSL on > 650 feet of a stretch of straight road, I was thankful for the design of the > plane and it's capabilites. But EVERYTHING worked perfect, including > temperature, winds and luck. Someone mentioned earlier 1,500 feet. I'd say > that as a minimum. Never tempt luck, your skills may need to use some every > now and then. > > Jj > Rocket Driver > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bert Penney [mailto:van@entechnos.com] > To: rv8-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV8-List: RV-8 Take Off Performance > > --> RV8-List message posted by: "Bert Penney" > > Hi Norman, > > I believe that I can squeeze about 700' out of my lot for a runway. > What first started me thinking about building a runway was the intro > video from Van's. In it, they say that Van lived on a farm with a 650' > runway. It seemed to imply that he had used that runway for at least > his early designs so I thought if he can use 650', 700' ought to work. > To be safe, though, I thought that I would restrict my take off and > landing weights to around that of solo operations (1600 lb ?). > > Bert > > -----Original Message----- > From: Norman [mailto:nhunger@sprint.ca] > To: rv8-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV8-List: RV-8 Take Off Performance > > --> RV8-List message posted by: "Norman" > > Hey Bert, how much room do you have? There was a very long discussion on > this list a few years ago on just exactly what is a safe amount of room. > One > consensus was that the landing would be more demanding. The other was > that > it is really up to the pilots skill. Most people came up with a number > that > was to their personal comfort. I recall deciding mine would be 1500 ft. > > Norman Hunger > RV6A Delta BC > Do not archive > > > Hi All, > > > > I was wondering if anyone had real world take off performance numbers > > for an RV-8. I know that Van's says 250 ft solo and 500 ft gross, but > I > > would like to confirm those numbers. I would also like to get a > handle > > on the take off over a 50' obstacle numbers. The reason I am so > > interested is that I would like to build a runway in my back yard, and > I > > don't have a lot of room plus I have some trees that I will have to > > clear at the end. > > > > Thanks > > > > Bert > -- Chris Woodhouse 3147 SW 127th St. Oklahoma City, OK 73170 405-691-5206 (home) chrisw@programmer.net N35 20.492' W97 34.342' ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:20:25 AM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: RV8-List: RV-8 Take Off Performance --> RV8-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" Yes and Van did his test flights out of his farm as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bert Penney" Subject: RE: RV8-List: RV-8 Take Off Performance > --> RV8-List message posted by: "Bert Penney" > > Hi Norman, > > I believe that I can squeeze about 700' out of my lot for a runway. > What first started me thinking about building a runway was the intro > video from Van's. In it, they say that Van lived on a farm with a 650' > runway. It seemed to imply that he had used that runway for at least > his early designs so I thought if he can use 650', 700' ought to work. > To be safe, though, I thought that I would restrict my take off and > landing weights to around that of solo operations (1600 lb ?). > > Bert > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Norman [mailto:nhunger@sprint.ca] > To: rv8-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV8-List: RV-8 Take Off Performance > > --> RV8-List message posted by: "Norman" > > Hey Bert, how much room do you have? There was a very long discussion on > this list a few years ago on just exactly what is a safe amount of room. > One > consensus was that the landing would be more demanding. The other was > that > it is really up to the pilots skill. Most people came up with a number > that > was to their personal comfort. I recall deciding mine would be 1500 ft. > > Norman Hunger > RV6A Delta BC > Do not archive > > > Hi All, > > > > I was wondering if anyone had real world take off performance numbers > > for an RV-8. I know that Van's says 250 ft solo and 500 ft gross, but > I > > would like to confirm those numbers. I would also like to get a > handle > > on the take off over a 50' obstacle numbers. The reason I am so > > interested is that I would like to build a runway in my back yard, and > I > > don't have a lot of room plus I have some trees that I will have to > > clear at the end. > > > > Thanks > > > > Bert > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:31:00 AM PST US From: "Norman" Subject: Re: RV8-List: RV-8 Take Off Performance --> RV8-List message posted by: "Norman" Bert, Forget it, 700' is too short. Like I said, if I bought some land to have my own runway I would not consider less than 1500 feet. To regulairily try landing with less than half that means you would have to be a rock star every time. Do you like approaching at the very edge of stall? Do you have a calibrated AOA on your dash? Do you have thousands of hours in type? Does your 700' have perfect no obstruction approaches at both ends? Are there neighbors living there that don't mind 360 straight pipe cubes roaring over at 20'AGL? Forget it Bert, it's not safe. Norman Hunger RV6A Delta BC > Hi Norman, > > I believe that I can squeeze about 700' out of my lot for a runway. > What first started me thinking about building a runway was the intro > video from Van's. In it, they say that Van lived on a farm with a 650' > runway. It seemed to imply that he had used that runway for at least > his early designs so I thought if he can use 650', 700' ought to work. > To be safe, though, I thought that I would restrict my take off and > landing weights to around that of solo operations (1600 lb ?). > > Bert ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:56:55 AM PST US From: "RV_8 Pilot" Subject: Re: RV8-List: RV-8 Take Off Performance --> RV8-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" Bert - I've got 454 hrs on my -8, with 98% of that out of a 2000' grass strip at 40' MSL. Unless you're operating with a low density alt and have quite a bit of RV time, I wouldn't recommend less than 1000' for regular operations. And this isn't counting much more than small trees and brush at the end of the runway. 50-75' trees - may want 150-200% more runway. Problem with RV's is you can't "drop them in" like a Cub or lightly loaded Cessna. Get an RV slow, and it sinks like a rock. You try dropping it in, and you'll end up with an accelerated stall as you're yanking the nose up at 5-10' agl. BTDT - no damage fortunately. Bryan Jones -8 Pearland, Texas >Hi All, > >I was wondering if anyone had real world take off performance numbers >for an RV-8. I know that Van's says 250 ft solo and 500 ft gross, but I >would like to confirm those numbers. I would also like to get a handle >on the take off over a 50' obstacle numbers. The reason I am so >interested is that I would like to build a runway in my back yard, and I >don't have a lot of room plus I have some trees that I will have to >clear at the end. > >Thanks > >Bert ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:53:38 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV8-List: RV-8 Take Off Performance From: "Bert Penney" --> RV8-List message posted by: "Bert Penney" Thank you all for your responses. I guess I'll shelve that idea :-) I did send an email to Van's earlier about the possibility of incorporating droop ailerons on the 8 and, if you are interested, I will post their reply here. Bert -----Original Message----- From: RV_8 Pilot [mailto:rv_8pilot@hotmail.com] Subject: Re: RV8-List: RV-8 Take Off Performance --> RV8-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" Bert - I've got 454 hrs on my -8, with 98% of that out of a 2000' grass strip at 40' MSL. Unless you're operating with a low density alt and have quite a bit of RV time, I wouldn't recommend less than 1000' for regular operations. And this isn't counting much more than small trees and brush at the end of the runway. 50-75' trees - may want 150-200% more runway. Problem with RV's is you can't "drop them in" like a Cub or lightly loaded Cessna. Get an RV slow, and it sinks like a rock. You try dropping it in, and you'll end up with an accelerated stall as you're yanking the nose up at 5-10' agl. BTDT - no damage fortunately. Bryan Jones -8 Pearland, Texas >Hi All, > >I was wondering if anyone had real world take off performance numbers >for an RV-8. I know that Van's says 250 ft solo and 500 ft gross, but I >would like to confirm those numbers. I would also like to get a handle >on the take off over a 50' obstacle numbers. The reason I am so >interested is that I would like to build a runway in my back yard, and I >don't have a lot of room plus I have some trees that I will have to >clear at the end. > >Thanks > >Bert ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:23:30 PM PST US From: "Dr. Leathers" Subject: Re: RV8-List: RV-8 Take Off Performance --> RV8-List message posted by: "Dr. Leathers" I would LOVE to hear what they think of that ;-) do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bert Penney" Subject: RE: RV8-List: RV-8 Take Off Performance > --> RV8-List message posted by: "Bert Penney" > > Thank you all for your responses. I guess I'll shelve that idea :-) > > I did send an email to Van's earlier about the possibility of > incorporating droop ailerons on the 8 and, if you are interested, I will > post their reply here. > > Bert > > -----Original Message----- > From: RV_8 Pilot [mailto:rv_8pilot@hotmail.com] > To: rv8-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV8-List: RV-8 Take Off Performance > > --> RV8-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" > > Bert - > > I've got 454 hrs on my -8, with 98% of that out of a 2000' grass strip > at > 40' MSL. Unless you're operating with a low density alt and have quite > a > bit of RV time, I wouldn't recommend less than 1000' for regular > operations. > And this isn't counting much more than small trees and brush at the > end of > the runway. 50-75' trees - may want 150-200% more runway. > > Problem with RV's is you can't "drop them in" like a Cub or lightly > loaded > Cessna. Get an RV slow, and it sinks like a rock. You try dropping it > in, > and you'll end up with an accelerated stall as you're yanking the nose > up at > 5-10' agl. BTDT - no damage fortunately. > > Bryan Jones -8 > Pearland, Texas > > > >Hi All, > > > >I was wondering if anyone had real world take off performance numbers > >for an RV-8. I know that Van's says 250 ft solo and 500 ft gross, but > I > >would like to confirm those numbers. I would also like to get a handle > >on the take off over a 50' obstacle numbers. The reason I am so > >interested is that I would like to build a runway in my back yard, and > I > >don't have a lot of room plus I have some trees that I will have to > >clear at the end. > > > >Thanks > > > >Bert > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:42:41 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV8-List: RV-8 Take Off Performance From: "Bert Penney" --> RV8-List message posted by: "Bert Penney" I didn't think they would be overjoyed, but you never know.... I wasn't able to find anything on the web about anyone who had tried it before, so I thought I'd ask :-) Bert -----Original Message----- From: Dr. Leathers [mailto:DrLeathers@822heal.com] Subject: Re: RV8-List: RV-8 Take Off Performance --> RV8-List message posted by: "Dr. Leathers" I would LOVE to hear what they think of that ;-) do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bert Penney" Subject: RE: RV8-List: RV-8 Take Off Performance > --> RV8-List message posted by: "Bert Penney" > > Thank you all for your responses. I guess I'll shelve that idea :-) > > I did send an email to Van's earlier about the possibility of > incorporating droop ailerons on the 8 and, if you are interested, I will > post their reply here. > > Bert > > -----Original Message----- > From: RV_8 Pilot [mailto:rv_8pilot@hotmail.com] > To: rv8-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV8-List: RV-8 Take Off Performance > > --> RV8-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" > > Bert - > > I've got 454 hrs on my -8, with 98% of that out of a 2000' grass strip > at > 40' MSL. Unless you're operating with a low density alt and have quite > a > bit of RV time, I wouldn't recommend less than 1000' for regular > operations. > And this isn't counting much more than small trees and brush at the > end of > the runway. 50-75' trees - may want 150-200% more runway. > > Problem with RV's is you can't "drop them in" like a Cub or lightly > loaded > Cessna. Get an RV slow, and it sinks like a rock. You try dropping it > in, > and you'll end up with an accelerated stall as you're yanking the nose > up at > 5-10' agl. BTDT - no damage fortunately. > > Bryan Jones -8 > Pearland, Texas > > > >Hi All, > > > >I was wondering if anyone had real world take off performance numbers > >for an RV-8. I know that Van's says 250 ft solo and 500 ft gross, but > I > >would like to confirm those numbers. I would also like to get a handle > >on the take off over a 50' obstacle numbers. The reason I am so > >interested is that I would like to build a runway in my back yard, and > I > >don't have a lot of room plus I have some trees that I will have to > >clear at the end. > > > >Thanks > > > >Bert > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:26 PM PST US From: "Tony Johnson" Subject: Re: RV8-List: RV-8 Take Off Performance --> RV8-List message posted by: "Tony Johnson" Jj, Tony Johnson here, the glider guy from Orlando to whom you gave a Yak ride in May. I hope all is well with you. I also hope that your fianc, perhaps by now your wife, changed her mind about the FBI. I bought a partially finished RV8A kit, past the quickbuild stage, and brought it home to Orlando from Chicago. It arrived Sunday night and is tucked away in a storage unit till I complete renovations on a house that will include a workshop. Stan Nelson and I plan to make our annual pilgrimage to Alamogordo in May, to try for that elusive world distance record. Regards to Tim Lewis. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnson James Maj 320 AEW/SE" Subject: RE: RV8-List: RV-8 Take Off Performance > --> RV8-List message posted by: Johnson James Maj 320 AEW/SE > > Bert, > > I've been watching this exchange and can't stand it anymore. If you are > seriously thinking of using 700' as a runway, I'm sure it won't be too long > before I read about you in the accident reports. The RV design, I've owned > 4 and now have a Rocket, is wonderful and 300' is possible, if you don't > mind paying for brakes and frequent near full stall approaches. But if you > scew up, if the wind blows wrong, if there is a wind shear...if, if, if, > you'll be a statistic. Never plan for the minimum. When I made an > emergency landing last year on a small road in a mountain at 8,500' MSL on > 650 feet of a stretch of straight road, I was thankful for the design of the > plane and it's capabilites. But EVERYTHING worked perfect, including > temperature, winds and luck. Someone mentioned earlier 1,500 feet. I'd say > that as a minimum. Never tempt luck, your skills may need to use some every > now and then. > > Jj > Rocket Driver > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bert Penney [mailto:van@entechnos.com] > To: rv8-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV8-List: RV-8 Take Off Performance > > > --> RV8-List message posted by: "Bert Penney" > > Hi Norman, > > I believe that I can squeeze about 700' out of my lot for a runway. > What first started me thinking about building a runway was the intro > video from Van's. In it, they say that Van lived on a farm with a 650' > runway. It seemed to imply that he had used that runway for at least > his early designs so I thought if he can use 650', 700' ought to work. > To be safe, though, I thought that I would restrict my take off and > landing weights to around that of solo operations (1600 lb ?). > > Bert > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Norman [mailto:nhunger@sprint.ca] > To: rv8-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV8-List: RV-8 Take Off Performance > > --> RV8-List message posted by: "Norman" > > Hey Bert, how much room do you have? There was a very long discussion on > this list a few years ago on just exactly what is a safe amount of room. > One > consensus was that the landing would be more demanding. The other was > that > it is really up to the pilots skill. Most people came up with a number > that > was to their personal comfort. I recall deciding mine would be 1500 ft. > > Norman Hunger > RV6A Delta BC > Do not archive > > > Hi All, > > > > I was wondering if anyone had real world take off performance numbers > > for an RV-8. I know that Van's says 250 ft solo and 500 ft gross, but > I > > would like to confirm those numbers. I would also like to get a > handle > > on the take off over a 50' obstacle numbers. The reason I am so > > interested is that I would like to build a runway in my back yard, and > I > > don't have a lot of room plus I have some trees that I will have to > > clear at the end. > > > > Thanks > > > > Bert > >