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1. 09:42 AM - (no subject) (JamesTSherry@cs.com)
2. 10:27 AM - Re: (no subject) (Scott Bilinski)
3. 10:39 AM - Fw: (no subject) (C. Rabaut)
4. 11:02 AM - Re: Eyes going south. (Scott Bilinski)
5. 06:24 PM - Re: RV-8 Fuselage Instructions (Greg V. Miller)
6. 06:49 PM - Wiring harness follow up (Kevin Horton)
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--> RV8-List message posted by: JamesTSherry@cs.com
I have enjoyed building my RV-8. I have found that there is very little in
aviation that is easy as "1-2-3." I find the KISS is much more approbate.
Thirty plus years in aviation and I. Have found that if someone has a
Question the answer is not easy until you know it. Every aviation
organization I have been in has strived to find the best way to improve
procedures. If something could be improved,clearified or simplified, aviators
would relay to all concerned. When Van Marketed the QB, he opened up kit
building to a new level. I would just like to see the plans improve with the
product. I built my first computer have rebuilt auto&motorcycle engines. I
went to Orndorffs' class. I have Both the RV-8 videos and From the Gnd Up. I
applaud the folks who built their aircraft he "hard" way. However I do not
want build my aircraft's engine just to understand how it woks! Is there
anyone out there who thinks the chapter(8) is well written and applicable to
the QB? If so I' quit whining. Until then, I would like to know if the
person said it was easy as "1-2-3" built from PLANS Vs the kit (i.e., too
simple). Jim Sherry Boulder Co. 303-530-7106
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--> RV8-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@qcpi.com>
I have found that the instructions became more and more vague as I purchase
each portion of the kit. You think they are bad now just imagine what they
were like for the first kit builders. To me a assembled 3 view tells me
everything I need to know. Much like the baffles, the only way I was able
to complete them was by the 1 assembly drawing, the instructions themselves
were not very helpful. The only advise I can give is to read the
instructions with the parts in front of you. Read ahead again with the
parts in front of you. Now go back and read the instructions again with the
parts in front of you. Read one instruction/sentence at a time and do what
it says. I have spent several years writing assy instructions for military
equipment. I was once called out to the line because the instructions "made
no sense". I asked what was wrong and the lady told me I cant build with
these instructions. I said ok, sat down with here and said, read the first
instruction, she did that. I then told here to now do it. We did this for
the second and third instruction. She read the instruction and did the
task. When we were done I asked what the problem was.........she did not
have a answer. From what I understood she was looking at the "big" picture
and getting confused rather than just taking it one step at a time. Just my
2 cents.
At 12:41 PM 2/5/03 -0500, you wrote:
>--> RV8-List message posted by: JamesTSherry@cs.com
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>I have enjoyed building my RV-8. I have found that there is very little in
>aviation that is easy as "1-2-3." I find the KISS is much more approbate.
>Thirty plus years in aviation and I. Have found that if someone has a
>Question the answer is not easy until you know it. Every aviation
>organization I have been in has strived to find the best way to improve
>procedures. If something could be improved,clearified or simplified, aviators
>would relay to all concerned. When Van Marketed the QB, he opened up kit
>building to a new level. I would just like to see the plans improve with the
>product. I built my first computer have rebuilt auto&motorcycle engines. I
>went to Orndorffs' class. I have Both the RV-8 videos and From the Gnd Up. I
>applaud the folks who built their aircraft he "hard" way. However I do not
>want build my aircraft's engine just to understand how it woks! Is there
>anyone out there who thinks the chapter(8) is well written and applicable to
>the QB? If so I' quit whining. Until then, I would like to know if the
>person said it was easy as "1-2-3" built from PLANS Vs the kit (i.e., too
>simple). Jim Sherry Boulder Co. 303-530-7106
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 8220
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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--> RV8-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
It's okay everyone, Jim's just going to be visiting with the nice men in the
white coats for a little while. He was just having "an RV moment", but
he'll be good as new after a few sessions of electro-shock therapy. Why
I'm sure he'll eventually become a repeat offender; much like the rest of
us. Then he can learn to regulate his medication level (whether Thorzine,
Paxal, Lithium, or whatever) and everything will be okay.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: <JamesTSherry@cs.com>
Subject: RV8-List: (no subject)
> --> RV8-List message posted by: JamesTSherry@cs.com
>
> I have enjoyed building my RV-8. I have found that there is very little in
> aviation that is easy as "1-2-3." I find the KISS is much more approbate.
> Thirty plus years in aviation and I. Have found that if someone has a
> Question the answer is not easy until you know it. Every aviation
> organization I have been in has strived to find the best way to improve
> procedures. If something could be improved,clearified or simplified,
aviators
> would relay to all concerned. When Van Marketed the QB, he opened up kit
> building to a new level. I would just like to see the plans improve with
the
> product. I built my first computer have rebuilt auto&motorcycle engines.
I
> went to Orndorffs' class. I have Both the RV-8 videos and From the Gnd Up.
I
> applaud the folks who built their aircraft he "hard" way. However I do not
> want build my aircraft's engine just to understand how it woks! Is there
> anyone out there who thinks the chapter(8) is well written and applicable
to
> the QB? If so I' quit whining. Until then, I would like to know if the
> person said it was easy as "1-2-3" built from PLANS Vs the kit (i.e., too
> simple). Jim Sherry Boulder Co. 303-530-7106
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Eyes going south. |
--> RV8-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@qcpi.com>
Its amazing as soon as I turned 40 (2 years ago) my eyes started going
south in a big way......at least to me, the optomitrist says its no big
deal. BUT, I have found a way to do a even better job, even if I had 20/20
vision. I purchased a 4x flip-up magnifier. Let me tell you it is now so
easy to get the drill right on the mark. I am finishing the cowl now and
with this magnifier I am doing a much better job. I can see things I never
would have with out it!
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 8220
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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| Subject: | RV-8 Fuselage Instructions |
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Greg V. Miller" <gvm@cableone.net>
I finished an -8 quickbuild in 2000. I had to laugh with your
description, but recalling what really happened, its not far off the
mark!
To attach the wings, you gotta set the incidence angle and drill the aft
attach fitting, but other wise, yea, just slot it in, jump in plane and
bang in a couple drift pins to hold it to the fues! It took 2 adults and
1 10 year old.
Enjoy!
Greg Miller, N89GM
On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 21:07, RV_8 Pilot wrote:
> --> RV8-List message posted by: "RV_8 Pilot" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
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> QB RV wing/fuse attachment instructions...
>
> 1. Lift wing
>
> 2. Bolt to fuse
>
> 3. Repeat for other wing.
>
> ...sorry. Couldn't resist taking a shot at the "comments" about the QB
> instructions. ;)
>
> Bryan Jones -8 (460 hrs, std kit)
> Pearland, Texas
> do not archive
>
>
> >--> RV8-List message posted by: JamesTSherry@cs.com
> >
> >I am finishing the wings on my RV_8 QB. I thought chapter 7 was a very
> >poor
> >description of the wing assembly for the QB. Chapter 8 for the fuselage is
> >completely off the mark. I would have liked a QB set of instructions.
>
>
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Greg V. Miller <gvm@cableone.net>
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| Subject: | Wiring harness follow up |
--> RV8-List message posted by: Kevin Horton <khorto1537@rogers.com>
I reported yesterday about some problems I had with the vendor
supplied wiring harnesses that I purchased with my avionics. There
were several pairs of wires that were on the wrong pins, and one
power line was only 20 AWG even though it was supposed to get a 10a
fuse.
I received many e-mails, on and off the lists, so please understand
if I don't respond to each one individually.
Today I called the vendor to talk to him. He was very cooperative
and easy to deal with. He said that his employees are supposed to
"ohm out" each harness, but that something obviously went wrong with
my harness. He offered to take the harness back, personally fix all
the problems, and to give it a complete inspection - no charge.
Power line - I originally was concerned that I could be looking at a
possible smoke event if the 20 AWG power line ever shorted. However,
Bob Nuckolls responded that although a 10a fuse was a bit much for a
20 AWG wire, and the wire would get hotter than desired if it ever
shorted, it should not lead to a smoke event.
I discussed this issue with the vendor. He explained that the Garmin
specified 18 AWG wire requires an extra long pin to make room for a
larger crimp area. In his opinion, this long pin has a real risk of
later shorting out against other wires in the connector. He
discussed the issue with his local FAA folks, and convinced them to
allow him to use 20 AWG wire.
Note - this power line "Y's" to go to two pins, so it should be
possible to use 20 AWG wire from the pins to the Y, and 18 AWG wire
the rest of the way. I didn't think to bring this up with the vendor
while I had him on the phone, but I requested he do this in the
letter I sent with the harnesses.
Many people wanted me to name the vendor, as they seemed to want to
stay away from him. That was not the point of my messages. Even
with the issues I had with my wiring harness I am still glad I chose
the vendor I did. Any vendor can make a mistake. The important
thing is how they deal with the mistake.
My story was intended to advise that wiring harnesses should be
completely checked out on the bench before installing them in the
aircraft. Several of my problems would not have been noticed until I
was doing the functional checks after installation, and it would have
been very difficult to find and correct the problems with harness
embedded in the aircraft. Don't just assume that any vendor supplied
part is good without inspecting it.
--
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://go.phpwebhosting.com/~khorton/rv8/
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