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1. 07:12 AM - Re: Tool Sets (Bill Dube)
2. 07:14 AM - Re: Tool Sets (Rob Miller)
3. 07:14 AM - Re: Tool Sets (Phil Birkelbach)
4. 09:21 AM - Re: Tool Sets (Terry Watson)
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--> RV8-List message posted by: Bill Dube <bdube@boulder.nist.gov>
At 08:36 PM 3/20/2003, you wrote:
>--> RV8-List message posted by: Steve Waltner <swaltner@mac.com>
>
>I just purchased my airline ticket to go down to Sun 'n Fun here in a
>couple weeks, and am planning on checking for sale prices on the RV-8
>tail kit as well as tool kits while I'm there. Just scanning the web, I
>found a RV tool kit from Avery (page 3 of their on-line catalog at
>http://www.averytools.com/) that looked like it had all (or at least
>most) of the tools necessary to build the RV. Obviously, buying new
>tools isn't the cheapest way to go, but I was wanting to get comments
>on the completeness of the kit and if there were items that would not
>be necessary in the kit.
Once you figure out the retail price of each tool you plan to buy,
Ebay is the way to go, especially for big ticket items. The best bargains
are typically not the shiny new "off-brand" tools in the box, but the
well-used quality name brand tools.
degree drill often typically go for well under $100, sometimes with an
assortment of drills thrown in. Here are a couple of completed auctions:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2515107278&category=31482
or
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2406223375&category=26439
These units go for over $300 new.
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--> RV8-List message posted by: Rob Miller <rmill2000@yahoo.com>
Steve
Avery makes excellent tools at a fair price. I now purchase virtually
everything from them, I'm sure you won't be disappointed with this kit.
2x guns are more compact,hit quickly but softer than 3x guns--the choice
is a personal preference. I build my -8 with a 3x gun and I love my
airplane, a 2x gun would have accomplished the same goal.
As for tools, an 90 degree drill is useful. A pneumatic squeezer is a joy
to use, speeds up the process, and makes for more uniform work. Buy at
least TWO sets of cleco pliers (if you have one and can't find it, you are
dead in the water until you do so). Silver, #40, clecos--impossible to
have too many, buy extra then add 100 more.
Good Luck
Rob Miller
-8 N262RM "Bad Cat" 50 hours
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--- Steve Waltner <swaltner@mac.com> wrote:
> --> RV8-List message posted by: Steve Waltner <swaltner@mac.com>
>
> I just purchased my airline ticket to go down to Sun 'n Fun here in a
> couple weeks, and am planning on checking for sale prices on the RV-8
> tail kit as well as tool kits while I'm there. Just scanning the web, I
> found a RV tool kit from Avery (page 3 of their on-line catalog at
> http://www.averytools.com/) that looked like it had all (or at least
> most) of the tools necessary to build the RV. Obviously, buying new
> tools isn't the cheapest way to go, but I was wanting to get comments
> on the completeness of the kit and if there were items that would not
> be necessary in the kit. There is an active local RV builder's group,
> so if there are tools that are only used a couple times during the
> build process, these could probably be borrowed when necessary.
>
> The primary decision to make for this Avery tool kit is the choice
> between a 2x and 3x rivet gun. Does it really matter? Which is going to
> be better for the build process, or should I invest the extra money and
> eventually get one of each? If getting both is the suggestion, which
> should I get first with the tool kit?
>
> Also, regarding air tools, how large of a compressor (gallons) should I
> be looking for and what are the minimum flow ratings for different PSI
> that I should be looking for.
>
> Thanks for the clarification on these various items.
>
> Steve
http://platinum.yahoo.com
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--> RV8-List message posted by: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@petrasoft.net>
You'll use every tool in the Avery kit on a pretty regular basis. You could
probably get away without the C-Frame if your next door neighbor had one
that you could use at a moments notice otherwise I would buy the whole kit.
I can't tell you whether the 2x gun would work but I have the 3x gun that
Avery sells in the kit and it works great. You will not need to get both to
build an RV.
Get the biggest air compressor that you can afford. I don't know what the
flow rate is on mine, but it's a 30 gallon. The big air users are die
grinders and spray guns. The rivet gun and a good drill don't use all that
much air so for most of what you'll be doing just about any air compressor
that you can find will work but you'll be glad you have the volume when you
really have to use the die grinder on something. I have a small HVLP paint
gun that I bought from Harbor Freight that works pretty well and since it's
HVLP it doesn't use up a lot of air.
Godspeed,
Phil Birkelbach - Houston Texas
RV-7 N727WB (Reserved) - Fuselage
http://www.myrv7.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Waltner" <swaltner@mac.com>
Subject: RV8-List: Tool Sets
> --> RV8-List message posted by: Steve Waltner <swaltner@mac.com>
>
> I just purchased my airline ticket to go down to Sun 'n Fun here in a
> couple weeks, and am planning on checking for sale prices on the RV-8
> tail kit as well as tool kits while I'm there. Just scanning the web, I
> found a RV tool kit from Avery (page 3 of their on-line catalog at
> http://www.averytools.com/) that looked like it had all (or at least
> most) of the tools necessary to build the RV. Obviously, buying new
> tools isn't the cheapest way to go, but I was wanting to get comments
> on the completeness of the kit and if there were items that would not
> be necessary in the kit. There is an active local RV builder's group,
> so if there are tools that are only used a couple times during the
> build process, these could probably be borrowed when necessary.
>
> The primary decision to make for this Avery tool kit is the choice
> between a 2x and 3x rivet gun. Does it really matter? Which is going to
> be better for the build process, or should I invest the extra money and
> eventually get one of each? If getting both is the suggestion, which
> should I get first with the tool kit?
>
> Also, regarding air tools, how large of a compressor (gallons) should I
> be looking for and what are the minimum flow ratings for different PSI
> that I should be looking for.
>
> Thanks for the clarification on these various items.
>
> Steve
>
>
> Avery RV Tool Kit
>
> SPECIAL PRICE: $1670.00
> THIS 625 PIECE TOOL KIT INCLUDES:
> #2X / 3X AVERY RIVET GUN (your choice)
> #2015 BEEHIVE SPRING
> #2000 QUICK CHANGE SPRING
> #150 AIR TOOL REGULATOR
> #1001 22=F5 HAND RIVET & DIMPLING TOOL
> #9430 3=F5 AVERY HAND RIVET SQUEEZER
> #8005 6 PC. SQUEEZER SET MIX
> #3/32DDS 3/32=F5 RIVET DIMPLE DIE SET
> #1/8DDS 1/8=F5 RIVET DIMPLE DIE SET
> #6DDS #6 SCREW DIMPLE DIE SET
> #8DDS #8 SCREW DIMPLE DIE SET
> #1022 3/32=F5 POP RIVET DIMPLER
> #550 3/32=F5 VISE GRIP DIMPLER
> #610 BUCKING BAR
> #615 BUCKING BAR
> #620 BUCKING BAR
> #4704 1/8=F5 RIVET SET
> #4720 1/8=F5 DOUBLE OFFSET RIVET SET
> #1047 FLUSH SWIVEL RIVET SET
> #1048 BACK RIVET SET
> #500 FLUTING PLIER
> #575 HAND SEAMER
> #200 CLECO PLIER
> #1016 3/32=F5 CLECOS (325 PCS)
> #1017 1/8=F5 CLECOS (175 PCS)
> #2018 5/32=F5 CLECOS (20 PCS)
> #1012 1/2=F5 X 1/2=F5 SIDE GRIPS (5 PCS)
> #1014 1/2=F5 X 1=F5 SIDE GRIPS (5 PCS)
> #1042 EDGE ROLLING TOOL
> #1412 SIOUX 1/4=F5 AIR DRILL - 3600 RPM
> #40 #40 COBALT DRILLS (8 PCS)
> #30 #30 COBALT DRILLS (6 PCS)
> #21 #21 COBALT DRILLS (3 PCS)
> #19 #19 COBALT DRILLS (2 PCS)
> #12 #12 COBALT DRILLS (2 PCS)
> #1/4 1/4=F5 COBALT DRILL (1 PC)
> #12X40 #40 X 12=F5 EXTENSION DRILL
> #12X30 #30 X 12=F5 EXTENSION DRILL
> #1100 4 PC DRILL STOP SET
> #8105 TIGHT FIT ANGLE DRILL KIT
> #3140 #40 THREADED DRILLS (2 PCS)
> #3130 #30 THREADED DRILL (1 PC)
> #19360 COUNTERSINK CAGE
> #1051 #40 COUNTERSINK CUTTER
> #1052 #30 COUNTERSINK CUTTER
> #1054 #8 SCREW COUNTERSINK CUTTER
> #330 PILOT MARKING PENS (3 EA)
> #1246 12=F5 FLEXIBLE STEEL RULE
> #1007 RIVET GAUGE SET (4 PC)
> #1008 RIVET LENGTH GAUGE
> #58337 WISS OFFSET SNIPS - LEFT
> #58338 WISS OFFSET SNIPS - RIGHT
> #1046 SPEED DEBURRING TOOL
> #22022 ROYAL MULTI-BURR TOOL
> #3753 6=F5 S/BRITE CUT & POLISH WHEEL
> #710 CURVED TOOTH FILE
> #757 3/32=F5 DRIVE PIN PUNCH
> #758 1/8=F5 DRIVE PIN PUNCH
> #25500 SWIVEL HEAD POP RIVET TOOL
>
>
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--> RV8-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
About the 2x vs. 3x rivet guns:
I built my airframe with a 2x gun. It was great EXCEPT for some big rivets
at the front of the fuselage where the longerons and the side skins and the
firewall all come together with a steel fitting. I couldn't figure out why
I couldn't set the rivets, but after some thought, realized that for the
rivet to set, I had to shake that whole mass to bounce the rivet against the
bucking bar. I backriveted the difficult ones and that worked fine. Next
time, I'll have both a 2x and a 3x gun.
Avery is great to do business with. Buy the kit, and figure on buying a lot
more tools before you finish.
Terry
RV-8A #80729
Finishing
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