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1. 11:40 AM - Re: RV8-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/02/03 (Lorin Frank)
2. 12:56 PM - Re: Re: RV8-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/02/03 (Dr. Kevin P. Leathers)
3. 01:54 PM - Nose gear (Terry Watson)
4. 02:00 PM - Re: Re: RV8-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/02/03 (Scott Bilinski)
5. 02:53 PM - Re: Nose gear (Canyon)
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| Subject: | RE: RV8-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/02/03 |
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Lorin Frank" <llfrank@earthlink.net>
I had the nose gear of my RV8a collapse on landing at a grass field. The
nose gear of the 8 is the same as the 6 but carries more weight. We flipped
over and the canopy broke allowing us to crawl out with minor injuries.
This is the reason for the thin Plexiglass. I would not want to be trapped
in an upside down RV. Lorin
> [Original Message]
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> Date: 6/2/03 11:57:09 PM
> Subject: RV8-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/02/03
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> Total Messages Posted Mon 06/02/03: 2
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> 1. 05:58 AM - Re: thicker canopy (Esten Spears)
> 2. 06:36 AM - Thick RV-8 Canopy (Chris Stone)
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> Time: 05:58:35 AM PST US
> From: Esten Spears <ewspears@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: thicker canopy
>
> --> RV8-List message posted by: Esten Spears <ewspears@comcast.net>
>
> Aircraft Plastics are the people that supply Vans with canopies.
> Todd at Todd's Canopies emailed me three days ago he was going to work
> on a setup that would blow two windshields at once. His objective is to be
> able to sell a RV8 Windshield only that is thicker and more streamlined
for
> a price that is hopefully significantly below this Aircraft Plastics
price.
> Esten Spears, RV8A, 80922, N922ES (reserved), CANOPY!, Leeward Air Ranch,
> Ocala, FL
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug Ritter" <d.d.ritter@verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: thicker canopy
>
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> > --> RV8-List message posted by: Doug Ritter <d.d.ritter@verizon.net>
> >
> > For all of you who are interested in a thicker more streamlined
windscreen
> > for your RV8 - one of the guys in my EAA chapter 186 did just that last
> > year and here is the info he gave me:
> >
> > Aircraft Plastics
> > 9785 Julie Ct.
> > Tipp City, OH 45371
> > 937-669-2677
> > 937-669-2777 fax
> >
> > cost one year ago was $200 plus shipping, five week turnaround, color
> #2515
> > to match Vans tint.
> >
> >
> > At 03:54 PM 6/1/03 -0600, you wrote:
> > >--> RV8-List message posted by: "PAUL ANTOINETTE"
> <PaulAntoinette@msn.com>
> > >
> > >
> > >I am about a year and a half from requiring, but would also be
interested
> > >in a thicker canopy. Any word on noise reduction?
> > >
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> ________________________________ Message 2
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> Time: 06:36:00 AM PST US
> Subject: RV8-List: Thick RV-8 Canopy
> From: "Chris Stone" <Chris.Stone@a-dec.com>
>
> --> RV8-List message posted by: "Chris Stone" <Chris.Stone@a-dec.com>
>
> I too am interested in the thicker RV-8 canopy.
>
> Count me in.
>
> Chris Stone
> RV-8 Wings
> Newberg, OR
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> rv8iator@earthlink.net
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--- Lorin Frank
--- llfrank@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: RE: RV8-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/02/03 |
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers" <DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Thanks Lorin,
Does anyone know if Van's has addresssed the weak nosegear situation? This
seems like something that happens a lot and it should be an simple matter to
beef up the gear.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lorin Frank" <llfrank@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV8-List: RE: RV8-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/02/03
> --> RV8-List message posted by: "Lorin Frank" <llfrank@earthlink.net>
>
> I had the nose gear of my RV8a collapse on landing at a grass field. The
> nose gear of the 8 is the same as the 6 but carries more weight. We
flipped
> over and the canopy broke allowing us to crawl out with minor injuries.
> This is the reason for the thin Plexiglass. I would not want to be trapped
> in an upside down RV. Lorin
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: RV8-List Digest Server <rv8-list-digest@matronics.com>
> > To: RV8-List Digest List <rv8-list-digest@matronics.com>
> > Date: 6/2/03 11:57:09 PM
> > Subject: RV8-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/02/03
> >
> > *
> >
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> > formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features
Hyperlinked
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> > Total Messages Posted Mon 06/02/03: 2
> >
> >
> > Today's Message Index:
> > ----------------------
> >
> > 1. 05:58 AM - Re: thicker canopy (Esten Spears)
> > 2. 06:36 AM - Thick RV-8 Canopy (Chris Stone)
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 05:58:35 AM PST US
> > From: Esten Spears <ewspears@comcast.net>
> > Subject: Re: RV8-List: thicker canopy
> >
> > --> RV8-List message posted by: Esten Spears <ewspears@comcast.net>
> >
> > Aircraft Plastics are the people that supply Vans with canopies.
> > Todd at Todd's Canopies emailed me three days ago he was going to
work
> > on a setup that would blow two windshields at once. His objective is to
be
> > able to sell a RV8 Windshield only that is thicker and more streamlined
> for
> > a price that is hopefully significantly below this Aircraft Plastics
> price.
> > Esten Spears, RV8A, 80922, N922ES (reserved), CANOPY!, Leeward Air
Ranch,
> > Ocala, FL
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Doug Ritter" <d.d.ritter@verizon.net>
> > Subject: Re: RV8-List: thicker canopy
> >
> >
> > > --> RV8-List message posted by: Doug Ritter <d.d.ritter@verizon.net>
> > >
> > > For all of you who are interested in a thicker more streamlined
> windscreen
> > > for your RV8 - one of the guys in my EAA chapter 186 did just that
last
> > > year and here is the info he gave me:
> > >
> > > Aircraft Plastics
> > > 9785 Julie Ct.
> > > Tipp City, OH 45371
> > > 937-669-2677
> > > 937-669-2777 fax
> > >
> > > cost one year ago was $200 plus shipping, five week turnaround, color
> > #2515
> > > to match Vans tint.
> > >
> > >
> > > At 03:54 PM 6/1/03 -0600, you wrote:
> > > >--> RV8-List message posted by: "PAUL ANTOINETTE"
> > <PaulAntoinette@msn.com>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >I am about a year and a half from requiring, but would also be
> interested
> > > >in a thicker canopy. Any word on noise reduction?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
> >
> >
> > Time: 06:36:00 AM PST US
> > Subject: RV8-List: Thick RV-8 Canopy
> > From: "Chris Stone" <Chris.Stone@a-dec.com>
> >
> > --> RV8-List message posted by: "Chris Stone" <Chris.Stone@a-dec.com>
> >
> > I too am interested in the thicker RV-8 canopy.
> >
> > Count me in.
> >
> > Chris Stone
> > RV-8 Wings
> > Newberg, OR
> >
> > rv8iator@earthlink.net
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> --- Lorin Frank
> --- llfrank@earthlink.net
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--> RV8-List message posted by: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Please, before you panic all of the A model builders and
thinkinaboutbeinabuilders out there, have a look at the archives. If
something breaks it doesn't necessarily mean it's too weak. While you are
at it, you might search on the "weak wing theory" too. Also, have a look at
past issues of the Rvator.
My own conclusion is that nose gear aircraft are susceptible to damage in
rough fields and nose gear first touchdowns. Making it stronger usually
means making it heavier and/or making it more expensive. I am not convinced
that Van's doesn't have it right. I would be helpful to hear a more detailed
account from Lorin as to what happened.
Terry
RV-8A finishing
Seattle
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dr. Kevin P.
Leathers
Subject: Re: RV8-List: RE: RV8-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/02/03
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers"
<DrLeathers@822heal.com>
Thanks Lorin,
Does anyone know if Van's has addresssed the weak nosegear situation? This
seems like something that happens a lot and it should be an simple matter to
beef up the gear.
Doc
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| Subject: | Re: RE: RV8-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/02/03 |
--> RV8-List message posted by: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@kyocera-wireless.com>
I know they change the radius's on the gear but thats it. I cant tell you
when that was done but quite a few years back (3~4?). When flying with Mike
Seager we started and ended the flight on a grass strip, always lifted the
nose at about 30~40 MPH and held it about 6' off the ground until lift off.
On landing held the nose off as long as possible and touched the nose wheel
down at about 20-30 MPH? I was worried about the bumps we were hitting. He
said nothing to worry about. I cant imagine a bump big enough to fold the
gear back, especially if holding the nose gear up on landing and touchdown.
A final note, RV's are NOT built for flight training, they do not have the
extra robust nose gear a 152/172 has. This basically means you had better
know what your doing especially if your landing on grass strips. Becoming
too comfortable and letting your guard down and not keeping that nose wheel
off the ground as soon/as long as possible can cost you. I do not fly off
of grass and probably never will, this is just my impression after talking
with Mike.
At 12:54 PM 6/4/03 -0700, you wrote:
>--> RV8-List message posted by: "Dr. Kevin P. Leathers"
><DrLeathers@822heal.com>
>
>Thanks Lorin,
>
>Does anyone know if Van's has addresssed the weak nosegear situation? This
>seems like something that happens a lot and it should be an simple matter to
>beef up the gear.
>
>Doc
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Lorin Frank" <llfrank@earthlink.net>
>To: "RV8-List Digest Server" <rv8-list-digest@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV8-List: RE: RV8-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/02/03
>
>
>> --> RV8-List message posted by: "Lorin Frank" <llfrank@earthlink.net>
>>
>> I had the nose gear of my RV8a collapse on landing at a grass field. The
>> nose gear of the 8 is the same as the 6 but carries more weight. We
>flipped
>> over and the canopy broke allowing us to crawl out with minor injuries.
>> This is the reason for the thin Plexiglass. I would not want to be trapped
>> in an upside down RV. Lorin
>>
>>
>> > [Original Message]
>> > From: RV8-List Digest Server <rv8-list-digest@matronics.com>
>> > To: RV8-List Digest List <rv8-list-digest@matronics.com>
>> > Date: 6/2/03 11:57:09 PM
>> > Subject: RV8-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/02/03
>> >
>> > *
>> >
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>> > ==================================================
>> >
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>> > of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest
>> > formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features
>Hyperlinked
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>> > version of the RV8-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic
>> > text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>> >
>> > HTML Version:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Text Version:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ================================================
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>> > ================================================
>> >
>> >
>> > RV8-List Digest Archive
>> > ---
>> > Total Messages Posted Mon 06/02/03: 2
>> >
>> >
>> > Today's Message Index:
>> > ----------------------
>> >
>> > 1. 05:58 AM - Re: thicker canopy (Esten Spears)
>> > 2. 06:36 AM - Thick RV-8 Canopy (Chris Stone)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________ Message 1
>> _____________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> > Time: 05:58:35 AM PST US
>> > From: Esten Spears <ewspears@comcast.net>
>> > Subject: Re: RV8-List: thicker canopy
>> >
>> > --> RV8-List message posted by: Esten Spears <ewspears@comcast.net>
>> >
>> > Aircraft Plastics are the people that supply Vans with canopies.
>> > Todd at Todd's Canopies emailed me three days ago he was going to
>work
>> > on a setup that would blow two windshields at once. His objective is to
>be
>> > able to sell a RV8 Windshield only that is thicker and more streamlined
>> for
>> > a price that is hopefully significantly below this Aircraft Plastics
>> price.
>> > Esten Spears, RV8A, 80922, N922ES (reserved), CANOPY!, Leeward Air
>Ranch,
>> > Ocala, FL
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Doug Ritter" <d.d.ritter@verizon.net>
>> > Subject: Re: RV8-List: thicker canopy
>> >
>> >
>> > > --> RV8-List message posted by: Doug Ritter <d.d.ritter@verizon.net>
>> > >
>> > > For all of you who are interested in a thicker more streamlined
>> windscreen
>> > > for your RV8 - one of the guys in my EAA chapter 186 did just that
>last
>> > > year and here is the info he gave me:
>> > >
>> > > Aircraft Plastics
>> > > 9785 Julie Ct.
>> > > Tipp City, OH 45371
>> > > 937-669-2677
>> > > 937-669-2777 fax
>> > >
>> > > cost one year ago was $200 plus shipping, five week turnaround, color
>> > #2515
>> > > to match Vans tint.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > At 03:54 PM 6/1/03 -0600, you wrote:
>> > > >--> RV8-List message posted by: "PAUL ANTOINETTE"
>> > <PaulAntoinette@msn.com>
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >I am about a year and a half from requiring, but would also be
>> interested
>> > > >in a thicker canopy. Any word on noise reduction?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________ Message 2
>> _____________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> > Time: 06:36:00 AM PST US
>> > Subject: RV8-List: Thick RV-8 Canopy
>> > From: "Chris Stone" <Chris.Stone@a-dec.com>
>> >
>> > --> RV8-List message posted by: "Chris Stone" <Chris.Stone@a-dec.com>
>> >
>> > I too am interested in the thicker RV-8 canopy.
>> >
>> > Count me in.
>> >
>> > Chris Stone
>> > RV-8 Wings
>> > Newberg, OR
>> >
>> > rv8iator@earthlink.net
>> >
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>> --- Lorin Frank
>> --- llfrank@earthlink.net
>>
>>
>
>
Scott Bilinski
Eng dept 305
Phone (858) 657-2536
Pager (858) 502-5190
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--> RV8-List message posted by: Canyon <steve.canyon@verizon.net>
Terry Watson wrote:
>My own conclusion is that nose gear aircraft are susceptible to damage in
>rough fields and nose gear first touchdowns.
---
To get a ticket today, is it even necessary to demonstrate competence
with rough and/or short field skills? Dunno... When I got mine it was
a required part of the training. Is it still? Might explain some of
these nose gear reports.
Steve
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