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1. 05:44 AM - Re: Landing lights (Fred Hollendorfer)
2. 05:32 PM - Re: Rivets and rivet guns, etc. (LARRY RUSH)
3. 10:26 PM - No subject as you will give it a new one shortly after you flame me (Lyle Peterson)
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| Subject: | Re: Landing lights |
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Fred Hollendorfer" <phredyh@comcast.net>
Doyal... I'm not quite ready to fly either; however, I've already
installed (leading edge) my lights.
They're not adjusted yet but I plan to aim one down the runway so it
will shine at the approximate
touchdown point and the other with the tail on the ground at point where
it will do the most
good while taxiing. I guess measuring at a spot on the wall with the A/C
leveled for the landing
light and again with the tail on the ground would be a great place to
start (sorry,don't have those
measurements either). You could at that point do a couple of dusk or
dawn landings for final
adjustments before leaping into "inky blackness of nite" :-o phred
Fred Hollendorfer
Wheat Ridge, Colorado
RV 80467 N998W
Tail, Wings finished. Fuselage in the jig
working on the gear boxes...
Build hrs 1066
http://phredyh0.tripod.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Rivets and rivet guns, etc. |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:17:51 -0500
--> RV8-List message posted by: "LARRY RUSH" <K9HXT@msn.com>
I have built an RV-6A (flying 2 years now) and am building a RV-8 now. I use a
3x gun and have a couple manual squeezers with 1.5" and 3" heads. Definitely buy
the swivel head mushroom rivet set for flush rivets from Avery, (best $35 you'll
spend). A 3." offset and straight for AN3 & AN4 rivets is needed. Avery
has a back rivet tool (spring loaded cuff) that is very helpful. I tried a pneumatic
squeezer but decided the limited use was not worth the cost. The deep throat
C-frame fixture is necessary for the control surface, and skin dimpling
etc.. Also the steel plate for back riveting the flaps, ailerons,& rudder etc.
You will find that as time goes along you will buy tools as needed. Hint...if
you see that if you had a certain tool the job would be faster and result in
a better looking job...BUY IT. I started by buying a tool set for RV building,
from U.S. Industrial Tool, for about $600. You'll need maybe 350 3/32" and say
100 1/8" Clecos too. This is the tip of the iceberg as they say. I probably
spent $1000 to $1500.+ on aircraft tools. After you finish the plane sell the
stuff ....unless you build another. My RV-6A took me 5 yrs 9 mos.!! Before
quickbuilds!!!
Luck, hard work, and perseverance, and you will prevail!
Larry, Avon, IN (2R2), N939LT
----- Original Message -----
From: Lyle Peterson
To: rv8-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 1:13 AM
Subject: RV8-List: Rivets and rivet guns, etc.
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Lyle Peterson" <lyleap@access4less.net>
I am in the process of setting up to start on an RV6. It is a very slow
build kit. I would appreciate some advice on rivet tools.
What rivet gun seems to be the best all around as far as versatility and
longevity? Which seems to have the best trigger? Is a 1X enough? Is
3X too much?
What rivet sets are the most useful and which are useful in some limited
uses? Long sets, offset sets, C frame sets, swivel sets, cushioned
sets. Any other accessory that any of you found useful or would have
liked to have to make setting a particular rivet easier?
What size yokes are useful or needed in some locations on a pneumatic
rivet squeezer or on a hand rivet squeezer?
I apologize if you get several copies of this message. I am subscribed
to several RV lists.
Thank all of you for the information and encouragement.
Lyle Peterson
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--> RV8-List message posted by: "Lyle Peterson" <lyleap@access4less.net>
It is so disheartening to learn that aviators are so narrow minded and
selfish. If you people had used one tenth of the energy you expended on
blasting my question to providing useful information, you could have
written a book. As is it you only demonstrated that you 1. Don't know
the answers, 2. Think that your knowledge is so unique that it can't be
shared, 3. You have an immense amount of time to waste, 4. You have
absolutely no respect for other people, whether they be builders or not.
Someone suggested that the question was 'stupid.' The only stupid
question is one that you can't answer!
I checked the archives for the "gazillion" answers to be found there. I
found four and not all of them pertained directly to my question. None
of them covered all the questions I had posed.
A few responded off list. They probably did not want to be caught by
the lords of the list giving information to a new builder. I do thank
those few for the information they so generously shared. They are very
unlike the rest of the listers. Some two thousand people on these lists
and only a very few are willing to answer. Rather, several find the
time to waste flaming the questioner. The thread continues under the
guise of a 'Food Fight.' How charming!
So many messages use an existing subject because so few of you have
figured out how to start a new thread on the list. Shame, shame. Look
at the bottom of the message for the information you need. You don't
even have to ask a question of the list, and thus get flamed for a
stupid question.
I did envision one day flying it to Oshkosh. If I do, which is
doubtful, I will park it in the Vintage area. There are some folks
there that will talk decently to you about airplanes and lots of other
things.
If you get too many copies of this email, use the delete key.
Thanks for nothing,
Lyle Peterson
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