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1. 12:31 AM - Re: RV8 floors (Mickey Coggins)
2. 01:41 AM - Re: RV8-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 02/13/04 (Steve Hunt)
3. 05:17 AM - Re: Re: RV8 floors (Esten Spears)
4. 06:47 AM - Rudder Pedal Extensions (RV8ter@aol.com)
5. 08:36 AM - Re: Re: RV8 floors (C. Rabaut)
6. 09:16 AM - Re: Re: RV8 floors (Esten Spears)
7. 09:40 AM - Extra part, HELP (Rich Crosley)
8. 10:46 AM - Fuel tank dimple dies (John Porter)
9. 10:46 AM - Re: Extra part, HELP (Jim Daniels)
10. 11:01 AM - Re: Re: RV8 floors (JAMES BOWEN)
11. 06:23 PM - Re: Rudder Pedal Extensions (Ed Perry)
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--> RV8-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>will need to remove the entire flap mechanism unless you modify the floors.
>Personally, I made a cut under where the rear seat cushion will be (the cut
>will be hidden) so that I can remove all of the floors except for a small
>portion under the flap actuator arm. ....
Hi Stan,
That seems like a good idea. If you can send some pictures to
me showing your installation, that would be a great help!
Thanks,
Mickey
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: RV8-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 02/13/04 |
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Steve Hunt" <stephen.hunt19@btinternet.com>
I was told by Vans that all you guys in the States were very happy with the
wash primer and that it was only the Europeans who had a "thing about
primer". It`s nice to see that I am not alone in my concerns. I am not
familiar with Marhyde. Does anyone have any knowledge of it or any other
which might help? The interface surfaces are the ones I worry about most.
Steve, UK
----- Original Message -----
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Subject: RV8-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 02/13/04
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> 1. 11:29 AM - Re: RV8 floors (Mickey Coggins)
> 2. 05:54 PM - Re: Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 02/07/04 (Greg V.
Miller)
> 3. 06:11 PM - Re: RV8 floors (Speedy11@aol.com)
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> ________________________________ Message 1
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>
>
> Time: 11:29:19 AM PST US
> From: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: RV8 floors
>
> --> RV8-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
> Thanks everyone for all the hints. I'm going to
> constipate on it for a while before I finally decide
> how to handle it. :-)
>
>
> --
> Mickey Coggins
> http://www.rv8.ch/
> #82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 05:54:50 PM PST US
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 02/07/04
> From: "Greg V. Miller" <gvm@cableone.net>
>
> --> RV8-List message posted by: "Greg V. Miller" <gvm@cableone.net>
>
> Another data point: I left the wash primer alone and sprayed Imron over
> it. Rain at 200mph took some paint off the leading edges, and squeezing
> the light wing aileron trailing edge to balance the wings took a bit
> more off, but otherwise the paint sticks well. N89GM, 350hrs.
>
> On Sun, 2004-02-08 at 11:21, Speedy11@aol.com wrote:
> > --> RV8-List message posted by: Speedy11@aol.com
> >
> > In a message dated 2/8/04 3:00:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> > rv8-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
> >
> > << My QB fuselage came with a kind of aluminium priming brushed,
providing a
> > steel grey color to the surface.
> > What kind of primer is that and can I paint over it or do I have to
prepare
> > somehow the surface ? >>
> >
> > Michel,
> > Van's applies a "wash primer" that is supposed to protect the aluminum
fairly
>
> > well. I, however, intend my plane to be flying 100 years from now (by
my yet
>
> > unborn grandson) and in addition I live on the Florida coast, so I
intend to
>
> > spray Marhyde primer on the entire inside of the airplane (or at least
as much
>
> > as possible). I plan to leave the wash primer in place and simply clean
the
>
> > surface with quick prep before priming. It may be a waste of time and
money,
>
> > but that is what I plan to do. So many times I've heard guys say, "I
wish
> > more had been done to protect my plane from corrosion when it was
built." I
>
> > believe the aircraft manufacturers intended their planes to be "used up"
and
>
> > discarded, much like cars, when they were building them and they made a
business
>
> > decision to not protect them internally.
> > Stan Sutterfield
> > RV-8A QB
> > Tampa, FL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> --
>
> *Quote of the day*
>
> All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or
> Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions set up to terrify
> and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit. - Thomas Paine, Age
of
> Reason, 1795.
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
_____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:11:16 PM PST US
> From: Speedy11@aol.com
> Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8 floors
>
> --> RV8-List message posted by: Speedy11@aol.com
>
> Mickey,
> I have to differ with the other guys. I installed my floors with
nutplates
> (platenuts, or whatever you call them) and I wouldn't have them any other
way.
>
> I wanted to be able to check the rudder cables during annuals and without
> removable floors it wouldn't have been possbile. It also allows me to
locate
> antennas wherever I like without worrying about not having access to them.
It
>
> was a lot of work and effort to use nutplates, but I like them. One thing
to
> consider though, is that should you want to remove the floors in the
future, you
>
> will need to remove the entire flap mechanism unless you modify the
floors.
> Personally, I made a cut under where the rear seat cushion will be (the
cut
> will be hidden) so that I can remove all of the floors except for a small
> portion under the flap actuator arm. That will save a lot of time when I
need
> to
> pull the floors. My floors install and remove with only a little effort.
I
> fine tuned the edges to allow them to slip past round head rivets more
easily.
> I have digital photos of the cut rear floor in case you didn't understand
my
> explanation.
> Stan Sutterfield
> RV-8A
> Tampa, FL
>
> In a message dated 2/13/04 2:58:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> rv8-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
>
> << Usually if something is real hard, then I must
> be doing it wrong. Does anyone have any hints
> on doing the rear floors correctly?
>
> The manual says it's not easy, but they will
> go in. I feel like I'll probably destroy the
> whole cabin before I get them in.
>
> Has anyone done something different, like cut
> the floors into smaller pieces? Also, wouldn't
> it be better to use platenuts all around,
> instead of the pop rivets? Seems like I might
> need to get in there sometime down the road...
>
> Thanks for any hints!
>
> Mickey >>
>
>
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--> RV8-List message posted by: "Esten Spears" <ewspears@comcast.net>
I did the same except I used Rivnuts for the rear floor and all of the rear
baggage compartment floors. It gives me the same functionality as the
platenuts but with a rivnut speed installer tool you can install rivnuts in
30 seconds each.
Esten Spears, RV8A, 80922, N922ES (reserved), Leeward Air Ranch, Ocala, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: <Speedy11@aol.com>
Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8 floors
> --> RV8-List message posted by: Speedy11@aol.com
>
> Mickey,
> I have to differ with the other guys. I installed my floors with
nutplates
> (platenuts, or whatever you call them) and I wouldn't have them any other
way.
> I wanted to be able to check the rudder cables during annuals and without
> removable floors it wouldn't have been possbile. It also allows me to
locate
> antennas wherever I like without worrying about not having access to them.
It
> was a lot of work and effort to use nutplates, but I like them. One thing
to
> consider though, is that should you want to remove the floors in the
future, you
> will need to remove the entire flap mechanism unless you modify the
floors.
> Personally, I made a cut under where the rear seat cushion will be (the
cut
> will be hidden) so that I can remove all of the floors except for a small
> portion under the flap actuator arm. That will save a lot of time when I
need to
> pull the floors. My floors install and remove with only a little effort.
I
> fine tuned the edges to allow them to slip past round head rivets more
easily.
> I have digital photos of the cut rear floor in case you didn't understand
my
> explanation.
> Stan Sutterfield
> RV-8A
> Tampa, FL
>
> In a message dated 2/13/04 2:58:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> rv8-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
>
> << Usually if something is real hard, then I must
> be doing it wrong. Does anyone have any hints
> on doing the rear floors correctly?
>
> The manual says it's not easy, but they will
> go in. I feel like I'll probably destroy the
> whole cabin before I get them in.
>
> Has anyone done something different, like cut
> the floors into smaller pieces? Also, wouldn't
> it be better to use platenuts all around,
> instead of the pop rivets? Seems like I might
> need to get in there sometime down the road...
>
> Thanks for any hints!
>
> Mickey >>
>
>
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| Subject: | Rudder Pedal Extensions |
--> RV8-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
Happy V-day all,
Now's the right time for me to make this mod. Funny thing is, even though it
looks like a good idea, I have never seen anyone actually do it. So to all
you RV8 flyers out there, who's done this and whether or have or haven't, do
you think it's worth it or in practice just not ever needed?
I'd set up an online poll but when I go to the RV8 poll page the 'create new
poll' option isn't available anymore - anyone know why?
http://www.rv-8.com/IdeasProducts.htm
thx,
lucky macy
still trying to decide on the right engine....
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--> RV8-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Esteen,
I've used Rivnuts for years, but ain't heard of the "speed installer
tool" you refer to. Can you describe it or better yet email me a pic?
Thanks,
Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Esten Spears <ewspears@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8 floors
> --> RV8-List message posted by: "Esten Spears" <ewspears@comcast.net>
>
> I did the same except I used Rivnuts for the rear floor and all of the
rear
> baggage compartment floors. It gives me the same functionality as the
> platenuts but with a rivnut speed installer tool you can install rivnuts
in
> 30 seconds each.
> Esten Spears, RV8A, 80922, N922ES (reserved), Leeward Air Ranch, Ocala,
FL
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Speedy11@aol.com>
> To: <rv8-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8 floors
>
>
> > --> RV8-List message posted by: Speedy11@aol.com
> >
> > Mickey,
> > I have to differ with the other guys. I installed my floors with
> nutplates
> > (platenuts, or whatever you call them) and I wouldn't have them any
other
> way.
> > I wanted to be able to check the rudder cables during annuals and
without
> > removable floors it wouldn't have been possbile. It also allows me to
> locate
> > antennas wherever I like without worrying about not having access to
them.
> It
> > was a lot of work and effort to use nutplates, but I like them. One
thing
> to
> > consider though, is that should you want to remove the floors in the
> future, you
> > will need to remove the entire flap mechanism unless you modify the
> floors.
> > Personally, I made a cut under where the rear seat cushion will be (the
> cut
> > will be hidden) so that I can remove all of the floors except for a
small
> > portion under the flap actuator arm. That will save a lot of time when
I
> need to
> > pull the floors. My floors install and remove with only a little
effort.
> I
> > fine tuned the edges to allow them to slip past round head rivets more
> easily.
> > I have digital photos of the cut rear floor in case you didn't
understand
> my
> > explanation.
> > Stan Sutterfield
> > RV-8A
> > Tampa, FL
> >
> > In a message dated 2/13/04 2:58:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> > rv8-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
> >
> > << Usually if something is real hard, then I must
> > be doing it wrong. Does anyone have any hints
> > on doing the rear floors correctly?
> >
> > The manual says it's not easy, but they will
> > go in. I feel like I'll probably destroy the
> > whole cabin before I get them in.
> >
> > Has anyone done something different, like cut
> > the floors into smaller pieces? Also, wouldn't
> > it be better to use platenuts all around,
> > instead of the pop rivets? Seems like I might
> > need to get in there sometime down the road...
> >
> > Thanks for any hints!
> >
> > Mickey >>
> >
> >
>
>
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--> RV8-List message posted by: "Esten Spears" <ewspears@comcast.net>
Chuck,
I'm talking about the standard BF Goodrich Installation tool with the lever
action and quick slide disengage as opposed to some of the cobbled up
installers I've seen which don't amount to much more than a bolt and washer.
Esten Spears, RV8A, 80922, N922ES (reserved), Leeward Air Ranch, Ocala, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8 floors
> --> RV8-List message posted by: "C. Rabaut" <crabaut@coalinga.com>
>
> Esteen,
>
> I've used Rivnuts for years, but ain't heard of the "speed installer
> tool" you refer to. Can you describe it or better yet email me a pic?
> Thanks,
>
> Chuck
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Esten Spears <ewspears@comcast.net>
> To: <rv8-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8 floors
>
>
> > --> RV8-List message posted by: "Esten Spears" <ewspears@comcast.net>
> >
> > I did the same except I used Rivnuts for the rear floor and all of the
> rear
> > baggage compartment floors. It gives me the same functionality as the
> > platenuts but with a rivnut speed installer tool you can install rivnuts
> in
> > 30 seconds each.
> > Esten Spears, RV8A, 80922, N922ES (reserved), Leeward Air Ranch,
Ocala,
> FL
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <Speedy11@aol.com>
> > To: <rv8-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8 floors
> >
> >
> > > --> RV8-List message posted by: Speedy11@aol.com
> > >
> > > Mickey,
> > > I have to differ with the other guys. I installed my floors with
> > nutplates
> > > (platenuts, or whatever you call them) and I wouldn't have them any
> other
> > way.
> > > I wanted to be able to check the rudder cables during annuals and
> without
> > > removable floors it wouldn't have been possbile. It also allows me to
> > locate
> > > antennas wherever I like without worrying about not having access to
> them.
> > It
> > > was a lot of work and effort to use nutplates, but I like them. One
> thing
> > to
> > > consider though, is that should you want to remove the floors in the
> > future, you
> > > will need to remove the entire flap mechanism unless you modify the
> > floors.
> > > Personally, I made a cut under where the rear seat cushion will be
(the
> > cut
> > > will be hidden) so that I can remove all of the floors except for a
> small
> > > portion under the flap actuator arm. That will save a lot of time
when
> I
> > need to
> > > pull the floors. My floors install and remove with only a little
> effort.
> > I
> > > fine tuned the edges to allow them to slip past round head rivets more
> > easily.
> > > I have digital photos of the cut rear floor in case you didn't
> understand
> > my
> > > explanation.
> > > Stan Sutterfield
> > > RV-8A
> > > Tampa, FL
> > >
> > > In a message dated 2/13/04 2:58:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> > > rv8-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
> > >
> > > << Usually if something is real hard, then I must
> > > be doing it wrong. Does anyone have any hints
> > > on doing the rear floors correctly?
> > >
> > > The manual says it's not easy, but they will
> > > go in. I feel like I'll probably destroy the
> > > whole cabin before I get them in.
> > >
> > > Has anyone done something different, like cut
> > > the floors into smaller pieces? Also, wouldn't
> > > it be better to use platenuts all around,
> > > instead of the pop rivets? Seems like I might
> > > need to get in there sometime down the road...
> > >
> > > Thanks for any hints!
> > >
> > > Mickey >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Extra part, HELP |
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Rich Crosley" <dirtrider@qnet.com>
I am building an RV-8, installing engine and canopy, finish stuff. In a box
I found the fuselage gusset bag with a one piece of aluminum left and after
going through the drawings several times I can't find where it is used.
Maybe it's not used on a tail dragger! Anyway it's marked "AS3-125 2.625
x 3.5" . If anyone can remember this guy I'd appreciate it. Which drawing?
There is a picture of it on that little gusset sheet, but no info.
Thanks,
Rich Crosley
Palmdale, CA
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| Subject: | Fuel tank dimple dies |
--> RV8-List message posted by: "John Porter" <december29@peoplepc.com>
Hi,
What is the deal with the special dimple dies for the fuel tanks? How are they
different? Can you just use regular dies for the tank skin, or does this contribute
to leaks? Just want to see if I can avoid buying a tool I don't really
need.
Thanks,
John Porter
RV-8
Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Extra part, HELP |
--> RV8-List message posted by: Jim Daniels <jwdanie@comcast.net>
> I am building an RV-8, installing engine and canopy, finish stuff. In
> a box
> I found the fuselage gusset bag with a one piece of aluminum left and
> after
> going through the drawings several times I can't find where it is used.
> Maybe it's not used on a tail dragger! Anyway it's marked "AS3-125
> 2.625
> x 3.5" . If anyone can remember this guy I'd appreciate it. Which
> drawing?
> There is a picture of it on that little gusset sheet, but no info.
Rich,
The phantom parts section on the packing list shows this as F-885. It
is on drawing 27, Section D-D', and is the spacer that goes between the
front VS stab spar and the joiner plate if needed. It is not
specifically mentioned in the manual other than "up to 1/8" shim may be
used". This is that shim.
Jim Daniels
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--> RV8-List message posted by: "JAMES BOWEN" <jabowenjr@hotmail.com>
Hi Stan. I also would like to take a look at the pictures of your floor. I
used nutplates on my floor , but would like to see where you made the cut.
It would be so much easier to not remove the flap actuator assembly.
Thanks,
Jim Bowen Jr
RV-8 QB
>From: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>Reply-To: rv8-list@matronics.com
>To: rv8-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8 floors
>Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 09:30:28 +0100
>
>--> RV8-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
>
>
> >will need to remove the entire flap mechanism unless you modify the
>floors.
> >Personally, I made a cut under where the rear seat cushion will be (the
>cut
> >will be hidden) so that I can remove all of the floors except for a small
> >portion under the flap actuator arm. ....
>
>Hi Stan,
>
>That seems like a good idea. If you can send some pictures to
>me showing your installation, that would be a great help!
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mickey
>
>
>--
>Mickey Coggins
>http://www.rv8.ch/
>#82007 QB Wings/Fuselage
>
>
Create your own personal Web page with the info you use most, at My MSN.
http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200364ave/direct/01/
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Pedal Extensions |
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Ed Perry" <eperry@san.rr.com>
Here's how you tell if you need them or not...
Disconnect the steering cables at the tailwheel. Have somebody push your -8.
Give full right and left pedal inputs. If the airplane turns (read brakes
engaging) you need the extensions. If the airplane goes straight, don't
bother.
I got lucky, I had them on and then took them off after I did the check.
Ed Perry
RV-8
130hours
----- Original Message -----
From: <RV8ter@aol.com>
Subject: RV8-List: Rudder Pedal Extensions
> --> RV8-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
>
> Happy V-day all,
> Now's the right time for me to make this mod. Funny thing is, even though
it
> looks like a good idea, I have never seen anyone actually do it. So to
all
> you RV8 flyers out there, who's done this and whether or have or haven't,
do
> you think it's worth it or in practice just not ever needed?
>
> I'd set up an online poll but when I go to the RV8 poll page the 'create
new
> poll' option isn't available anymore - anyone know why?
>
>
> http://www.rv-8.com/IdeasProducts.htm
>
> thx,
> lucky macy
> still trying to decide on the right engine....
>
>
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