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1. 05:01 AM - Re: Extra part, HELP (Curtis R. White)
2. 06:39 AM - Re: Engines (Doug Ripley)
3. 02:50 PM - engines, engines, engines - wonderful to have choices for once? (RV8ter@aol.com)
4. 03:59 PM - Re: RV-List: engines, engines, engines - wonderful to have choices (Tedd McHenry)
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| Subject: | Re: Extra part, HELP |
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Curtis R. White" <crw@islands.vi>
Look at drawing #27. That is used as a spacer, on the attaching angle, between
the front spar of the vertical stabilizer and the front spar of the horizontal
stab. (if you need it).
Rich Crosley wrote:
> --> RV8-List message posted by: "Rich Crosley" <dirtrider@qnet.com>
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> I am building an RV-8, installing engine and canopy, finish stuff. In a box
> I found the fuselage gusset bag with a one piece of aluminum left and after
> going through the drawings several times I can't find where it is used.
> Maybe it's not used on a tail dragger! Anyway it's marked "AS3-125 2.625
> x 3.5" . If anyone can remember this guy I'd appreciate it. Which drawing?
> There is a picture of it on that little gusset sheet, but no info.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rich Crosley
> Palmdale, CA
>
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--> RV8-List message posted by: "Doug Ripley" <dougr@hurricanefilter.com>
No, I wouldn't. Even if the price mistake wouldn't have been made, the
"Superior" engine was more expensive than the ECI option from any of the
engine builders. Again, just a couple hundred bucks difference, but the
engine builders offered better warranties at no extra charge for the ECI
build-up.
----- Original Message -----
From: <RV8ter@aol.com>
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Engines
> --> RV8-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
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> In a message dated 2/16/2004 4:49:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> dougr@hurricanefilter.com writes:
> --> RV8-List message posted by: "Doug Ripley" <dougr@hurricanefilter.com>
>
> Hello all:
>
> SNIP
> If we had to do it again, we would have a standard carbureted up-draft
O-360
> 180 hp, but I'm sure that once the pain and anguish of spending extra $$$
on
> fuel injection is overwith, the bird will look great without the engine
air
> scoop on the cowl.
>
> Doug Ripley
> RV-8 N821DT reserved....nearing completion.
> Interesting story. Would you have still chosen Superior if you would have
> just gone with a carb'ed flavored O-360? Mattituk seems to have a better
price
> and twice the warranty as Superior when I was comparing recently.
>
> lucky
>
>
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| Subject: | engines, engines, engines - wonderful to have choices for once? |
--> RV8-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
Stein,
The Egg 2.5XT with MT CS prop and and supercharger and EIS engine monitor
comes out to something like $38K plus or minus a grand - going from memory here.
Happy with Mogas, more powerfull than O-360 at all altitudes, doesn't shock
cool, doesn't consume oil, smoother and quieter than a lycoming, etc. But it's
an electric prop governor and no inverted oil system as compared to
Crossflow. What do you think of that value?
vs $32K Lycoming clone - the other end of the spectrum. An O-360 from
Mattituk for $19K, plus Van's RV8 FWF package for $4500, plus a Hatzell CS prop
at
5500. Now what you've got is $32+K in something once you also add a low end
engine monitor and it's not as powerful at sea level and loses power as you go
higher, requires you to fly with oil and be ready to top off, really only runs
well with 100LL, isn't ECU controlled, isn't fuel injected, will eventually
require an expensive overhaul, etc so it's a tough call for some. But should
be easier and cheaper to insure but by how much I really don't know.
I still don't know what I'm going to do yet and I'm past the stage needing to
know that. So much revolves around that (call me nuts but I have already
ordered my finishing kit but am not sold on the lycoming/hartzell combo I planned
for). Fuel valve, tank plumbing (mine are sealed already for a lycoming),
fuel pump, throttle quadrants, engine instrumentation and therefore panel
design, cowl type, spinner type, engine mount (included in the subaru price), etc.
I love this process!
Then there's Deltahawk. Man, if only they were two years earlier getting
here. Never be the first to buy or last to try, as the old saying goes, makes
that still a year or more away from being a serious candidate and that's if all
still goes per their wish.
What are folks looking at engines right now thinking they are actually going
to end up doing?
If the right used lycomig came along now at a fair price which I thought I
could get 2 or 3 good years out of it while some of these new engines matured,
I
think I'd have to take it. But buying a good used engine you can install and
fly sounds like worse odds than messin' with the devil. I ain't THAT lucky,
despite the name.
Only in America!
off the box,
Lucky
In a message dated 2/17/2004 5:20:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
stein@steinair.com writes:
--> RV-List message posted by: "Stein Bruch" <stein@steinair.com>
Hmmmm..
If my math is correct, that now brings the price upwards of $32,000!!
Yikes... Considering you can get one hell of an IO-360 built up for $25K, that
extra
$7k buys a LOT of fuel (or goodies)!
Now, let's say that the crossflow "might" burn a lot less fuel than the
Lycosaur, maybe we'll be gratious and say 1.5gph, and price our gas around $3.00,
then we're looking at nearly 1700 hours of flying to pay for that difference!
I'd rather take that $7,000.00 and buy an autopilot, MT prop, gadgets for the
panel, etc...
Don't get me wrong, I'm really excited to see the Subies/Rotaries becoming
more popular, but one big of the reasons people have traditionally chosen auto
conversions is cost.
But....I think $30,0000+ is an awfull lot of money for what it is...we'll
leave it at that!
Cheers,
Stein Bruch
RV6's, Minneapolis
http://www.steinair.com
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---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: RV8ter@aol.com
>--> RV-List message posted by: RV8ter@aol.com
>
>I got an updated proposal to include the mods needed for an inverted flight
>oil system and hydraulic prop governor. Here's a cut and paste of the new
>price paragraph. All told it added about $7500 to the cost.
>
>Mike, I can send you the updated proposal if you want to post it instead.
>
>Our list price for the CF4-20 engine is US$24,955.00.
>A 35% payment (US$8,734.25) will be required initially to commence the
>production of your engine.
>A second 35% payment (US$8,734.25) will be required 2 months after the date
>of your first payment
>The sum of US$7,486.50 will be required after the completion of your engine
>and prior to the shipping of it to your location.
>We also recommend that you provide us with travel expenses and professional
>accommodations for a 3 day stay for one of our
>technicians at your location to assist you in the installation of your engine
>onto your firewall. During this time we will also provide you
>with some training about the operation of your Crossflow engine as well as
>doing performance testing to ensure that everything is
>working properly.
>Crossflow Inverted Flight Oil System =E2=80=93 US$5,500.00
>Crossflow PSRU Ancillary Drive Gears =E2=80=93 US$1,293.75
>Crossflow PSRU Hydraulic Collar =E2=80=93 US$828.00
>
>In a message dated 2/17/2004 10:41:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>mstewart@iss.net writes:
>--> RV-List message posted by: "Stewart, Michael (ISS Atlanta)"
><mstewart@iss.net>
>
>I have been monitoring some of the click throughs on my web site based
>on rv-list activity and it is quite amazing to watch the interest and
>usage levels. Those who post answers, and the questions, are watched by
>the lurkers and they clearly find them useful. As an example. Lucky
>posted up his alternative engine proposal which has had over 2400
>download attempts in just about a week. Holy cow batman! That's
>enormous!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List: engines, engines, engines - wonderful to have choices |
for once?
--> RV8-List message posted by: Tedd McHenry <tedd@vansairforce.org>
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 RV8ter@aol.com wrote:
> But it's
> an electric prop governor and no inverted oil system as compared to
> Crossflow. What do you think of that value?
I've flown the Eggenfellner with the Quinte electric CS prop. It's a very nice
combination. It would be nice to have the option of "conventional" CS prop,
but the Quinte does work well. (I think it uses Warp Drive blades, but don't
qoute me on that. Apparently, there's no problem with the carbon blades on a
geared engine like the Eggenfellner, because of the smaller impulses and
different frequency.)
> What are folks looking at engines right now thinking they are actually going
> to end up doing?
I got a very good deal on a used Lycoming, which I will probably send to Bart
at Aerosport. That's Plan A. But I'm keeping my eye on all the options. I
was very keen on the rotary for a while, but it's still in the "roll your own"
stage, and I don't want to do that just yet. Maybe my next plane. (I can hear
the laughter from here.) The Eggenfellner is the best package out there right
now, but I feel it's a tiny bit small for an RV-6. It's also more money than
my rebuilt Lycoming will be (although maybe not, when all the bells and
whistles are added).
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC
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