Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 12:07 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
2. 08:00 AM - Re: Canopy skirt (Michel Gordillo)
3. 10:21 AM - single alternator and a small backup battery... (Bill VonDane)
4. 12:15 PM - Re: Subject: Canopy skirt (Airwatch4@aol.com)
Message 1
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] |
DNA: do not archive
--> RV8-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Lister,
Please read over the RV8-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV8-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV8-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
******************************************************************************
RV8-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV8-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV8-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV8-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV8-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
-------
[This is an automated posting.]
Message 2
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Canopy skirt |
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Michel Gordillo" <michelgordillo@telefonica.net>
Hi Ulf.
There is in Europe a very good product to be used as adhesive between skirt
and canopy.
It provides a thick bond and flexible to accomodete thermal expansion of the
canopy even when temperatures reach minus 40 degrees centigrade.
The name is Flex 310 M. It is isocyanate free, silicone and halogene free,
overpaintable, sandable, good UV stability, salt water resistant and solvent
free.
The brand is Weicon,
I have used it in my last plane ( MCR01) and flew around the world with it.
Also plan to use it on my RV8 ( empenage complete,working on the fuselage).
Check the next web page: www.weicon.de
Best regards, Michel
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ulf Petersson" <ulf@megadoor.com>
Subject: RV8-List: Canopy skirt
> --> RV8-List message posted by: "Ulf Petersson" <ulf@megadoor.com>
>
> I am getting ready to attach the canopy skirt and wonder what, if any,
> adhesive or sealant to use between the skirt and the canopy.
>
> Any suggestions or experience appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
> Ulf Petersson
> Peachtree City GA
> RV8 A QB
>
>
>
Message 3
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | single alternator and a small backup battery... |
vansairforce <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
--> RV8-List message posted by: Bill VonDane <bill@vondane.com>
I am looking to install a small backup battery in my RV to support a few
systems should my elec system take a crap...
Did anyone do this kind of thing on their RV? Do you have a wiring diagram
of how you did it?
Thanks...
-Bill
Message 4
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Canopy skirt |
--> RV8-List message posted by: Airwatch4@aol.com
> I am getting ready to attach the canopy skirt and wonder what, if any,
> adhesive or sealant to use between the skirt and the canopy.
>
> Any suggestions or experience appreciated.
Greetings, since I have quite a bit of experience in this area outside of
RV'S, I'll post a couple of thoughts and tricks that I learned over time from
personal experience and from others. Whether or not you can apply it here I
don't know, since I'm still quite a ways off from canopy fun. Also, don't take
anything I say here as gospel. Use your own judgement and visceral feelings
towards these suggestions. Remember, it's your ultimate responsibility for
your application.
First off, I was a military helicopter mechanic and I'm currently a
mechanic with a law enforcement unit. My experiences have been centered around
helicopters. In dealing with helicopters, there are greater vibrations than what
is involved with airplanes, so keep this in mind.
When the factory installs the plastic, they DO use an adhesive. Exactly
what substance it is, I don't know, but can find out if you'd like to go that
route. In addition, Pro-Seal is used in place of or in conjunction with the
adhesive. I believe most of you know Pro-Seal as that wicked, nasty stuff you
use to seal your gas tanks. You may have a shocked and horrified look on your
face, but Pro-Seal is good stuff that is used a lot in aviation.
My recommendation is not to use the adhesive. Two years ago, we changed out
all the Plexiglas in our helicopters. We have 6 Bell helicopters and 5 of them
have all Plexiglas. That's 2 windshields and 2 chin bubbles in each
aircraft. So as you can probably tell, I don't like Plexiglas anymore. Your goal
is
not to fuse the Plexiglas as permanently as you can to the skirt. The reason
being, if you ever have to change your canopy (cracked,scratched,etc.), you
will cuss if you used adhesive. We have spent a lot of time trying to GRIND
what was left of the canopy out of the window channels so we could install the
new ones. Think what an ugly mess that would look like. We use Pro-Seal to
seal our windows. Its a lot softer and cushions the Plexiglas better. In
addition, it can be painted over and can be removed easier later on with less
drastic implements. The purpose of Pro-Seal is a leveling agent that helps smooth
and support the transition from the riveted "non-budging" areas to the
"free-floating"areas. This reduces any stress that may be present or develop there.
The secondary purpose is obviously to help keep it attached to your aircraft
while flying. So use that as food for thought.
A couple of interesting tricks that I've learned in using Pro-Seal. Fuel
tank people may be able to use these tricks too. I'm amused, but sympathize
with people on trying to get the Pro-Seal to go where you want and don't want.
All of the tricks I've seen by Van's are good. We use masking tape to keep it
off of what we don't want and also to make nice straight lines using
pro-seal. If you allow the Pro-Seal to cure for a few minutes and get a little
firm,
you can pull the tape up and it will leave a nice straight line without
pulling up the Pro-Seal and the edge will still lay back down. This is very
similar to the technique used in painting for lines. This works well in
conjunction with the technique mentioned below.
Another good trick is to use shampoo or soap on your finger to shape or
fillet the Pro-Seal without getting it stuck all over you. You'll have to re coat
your finger every now and then, but you'll be amazed how smooth you can get
it. This is for smoothing and blending the top out only AFTER you have put
it where you want. It would adversely affect the sealing if you got it between
the Pro-Seal and sealing surface. I haven't seen any other adverse effect
from using the shampoo. It may take slightly longer to cure out, but it will
cure out fully. Obviously, if your using this method with your tanks or your
going to paint over this, you would need to remove the soap residue by flushing
or wiping it off with solvent or cleaner after it cures. In reality, there
will be hardly any noticeable residue. I recommend trying all this out on
pieces of scrap before tackling the real deal.
The warnings of having a warm canopy during fitting cannot be emphasized
enough. Another experience I'll throw out, is to be sure when your cutting and
fitting, to try and do it in one work session or be sure to properly support
and clamp the Plexiglas if you have to leave it. We had cut and shaped a
windshield to fit late one afternoon and then left it overnight sitting
unsupported on a bench ready to install in the morning. Well, in the morning, it
fit
totally different and we almost didn't get it to fit. Overnight, it had
started to flatten out. We would have been a lot better off if we had left it in
the window frame. An interesting lesson learned for sure. I hope this helps some
of you in forming your own decisions and I apologize for being long winded.
Good Luck!
Greg Morgan A&P
Oak Ridge, TN
RV-8A
Pacing back and forth waiting for my wing kit
work:
4- OH-58A+ Kiowa's
1- OH-58C Kiowa
1- UH-1H Huey ( oh, yeah, it thumps!)
Other Matronics Email List Services
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
|