---------------------------------------------------------- RV8-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 02/02/05: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:07 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle) 2. 08:00 AM - Re: Canopy skirt (Michel Gordillo) 3. 10:21 AM - single alternator and a small backup battery... (Bill VonDane) 4. 12:15 PM - Re: Subject: Canopy skirt (Airwatch4@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:07:41 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV8-List: Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] DNA: do not archive --> RV8-List message posted by: Matt Dralle Dear Lister, Please read over the RV8-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete RV8-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the following URL: http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV8-List.FAQ.html Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ****************************************************************************** RV8-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV8-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. Failure to use the RV8-List in the manner described below may result in the removal of the subscribers from the List. RV8-List Policy Statement The purpose of the RV8-List is to provide a forum of discussion for things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie among its members; and to support safe operation. 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This will only cause a pointless debate that will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing. ------- [This is an automated posting.] ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:00:34 AM PST US From: "Michel Gordillo" Subject: Re: RV8-List: Canopy skirt --> RV8-List message posted by: "Michel Gordillo" Hi Ulf. There is in Europe a very good product to be used as adhesive between skirt and canopy. It provides a thick bond and flexible to accomodete thermal expansion of the canopy even when temperatures reach minus 40 degrees centigrade. The name is Flex 310 M. It is isocyanate free, silicone and halogene free, overpaintable, sandable, good UV stability, salt water resistant and solvent free. The brand is Weicon, I have used it in my last plane ( MCR01) and flew around the world with it. Also plan to use it on my RV8 ( empenage complete,working on the fuselage). Check the next web page: www.weicon.de Best regards, Michel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ulf Petersson" Subject: RV8-List: Canopy skirt > --> RV8-List message posted by: "Ulf Petersson" > > I am getting ready to attach the canopy skirt and wonder what, if any, > adhesive or sealant to use between the skirt and the canopy. > > Any suggestions or experience appreciated. > > Thanks > > Ulf Petersson > Peachtree City GA > RV8 A QB > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:21:31 AM PST US From: Bill VonDane Subject: RV8-List: single alternator and a small backup battery... vansairforce --> RV8-List message posted by: Bill VonDane I am looking to install a small backup battery in my RV to support a few systems should my elec system take a crap... Did anyone do this kind of thing on their RV? Do you have a wiring diagram of how you did it? Thanks... -Bill ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:15:26 PM PST US From: Airwatch4@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: RV8-List: Canopy skirt --> RV8-List message posted by: Airwatch4@aol.com > I am getting ready to attach the canopy skirt and wonder what, if any, > adhesive or sealant to use between the skirt and the canopy. > > Any suggestions or experience appreciated. Greetings, since I have quite a bit of experience in this area outside of RV'S, I'll post a couple of thoughts and tricks that I learned over time from personal experience and from others. Whether or not you can apply it here I don't know, since I'm still quite a ways off from canopy fun. Also, don't take anything I say here as gospel. Use your own judgement and visceral feelings towards these suggestions. Remember, it's your ultimate responsibility for your application. First off, I was a military helicopter mechanic and I'm currently a mechanic with a law enforcement unit. My experiences have been centered around helicopters. In dealing with helicopters, there are greater vibrations than what is involved with airplanes, so keep this in mind. When the factory installs the plastic, they DO use an adhesive. Exactly what substance it is, I don't know, but can find out if you'd like to go that route. In addition, Pro-Seal is used in place of or in conjunction with the adhesive. I believe most of you know Pro-Seal as that wicked, nasty stuff you use to seal your gas tanks. You may have a shocked and horrified look on your face, but Pro-Seal is good stuff that is used a lot in aviation. My recommendation is not to use the adhesive. Two years ago, we changed out all the Plexiglas in our helicopters. We have 6 Bell helicopters and 5 of them have all Plexiglas. That's 2 windshields and 2 chin bubbles in each aircraft. So as you can probably tell, I don't like Plexiglas anymore. Your goal is not to fuse the Plexiglas as permanently as you can to the skirt. The reason being, if you ever have to change your canopy (cracked,scratched,etc.), you will cuss if you used adhesive. We have spent a lot of time trying to GRIND what was left of the canopy out of the window channels so we could install the new ones. Think what an ugly mess that would look like. We use Pro-Seal to seal our windows. Its a lot softer and cushions the Plexiglas better. In addition, it can be painted over and can be removed easier later on with less drastic implements. The purpose of Pro-Seal is a leveling agent that helps smooth and support the transition from the riveted "non-budging" areas to the "free-floating"areas. This reduces any stress that may be present or develop there. The secondary purpose is obviously to help keep it attached to your aircraft while flying. So use that as food for thought. A couple of interesting tricks that I've learned in using Pro-Seal. Fuel tank people may be able to use these tricks too. I'm amused, but sympathize with people on trying to get the Pro-Seal to go where you want and don't want. All of the tricks I've seen by Van's are good. We use masking tape to keep it off of what we don't want and also to make nice straight lines using pro-seal. If you allow the Pro-Seal to cure for a few minutes and get a little firm, you can pull the tape up and it will leave a nice straight line without pulling up the Pro-Seal and the edge will still lay back down. This is very similar to the technique used in painting for lines. This works well in conjunction with the technique mentioned below. Another good trick is to use shampoo or soap on your finger to shape or fillet the Pro-Seal without getting it stuck all over you. You'll have to re coat your finger every now and then, but you'll be amazed how smooth you can get it. This is for smoothing and blending the top out only AFTER you have put it where you want. It would adversely affect the sealing if you got it between the Pro-Seal and sealing surface. I haven't seen any other adverse effect from using the shampoo. It may take slightly longer to cure out, but it will cure out fully. Obviously, if your using this method with your tanks or your going to paint over this, you would need to remove the soap residue by flushing or wiping it off with solvent or cleaner after it cures. In reality, there will be hardly any noticeable residue. I recommend trying all this out on pieces of scrap before tackling the real deal. The warnings of having a warm canopy during fitting cannot be emphasized enough. Another experience I'll throw out, is to be sure when your cutting and fitting, to try and do it in one work session or be sure to properly support and clamp the Plexiglas if you have to leave it. We had cut and shaped a windshield to fit late one afternoon and then left it overnight sitting unsupported on a bench ready to install in the morning. Well, in the morning, it fit totally different and we almost didn't get it to fit. Overnight, it had started to flatten out. We would have been a lot better off if we had left it in the window frame. An interesting lesson learned for sure. I hope this helps some of you in forming your own decisions and I apologize for being long winded. Good Luck! Greg Morgan A&P Oak Ridge, TN RV-8A Pacing back and forth waiting for my wing kit work: 4- OH-58A+ Kiowa's 1- OH-58C Kiowa 1- UH-1H Huey ( oh, yeah, it thumps!)