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1. 12:37 AM - Aileron balance (owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com)
2. 04:14 AM - Re: Aileron balance (Stephen J. Soule)
3. 05:17 AM - Re: Aileron balance (owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com)
4. 05:35 AM - Quick build RV-8 gear leg drilling question (Stephen J. Soule)
5. 05:46 AM - Re: Quick build RV-8 gear leg drilling question (rveighta)
6. 05:51 AM - Re: Quick build RV-8 gear leg drilling question (Schilling Karl)
7. 05:55 AM - Re: Quick build RV-8 gear leg drilling question (Stephen J. Soule)
8. 06:22 AM - Re: Quick build RV-8 gear leg drilling question (rveighta)
9. 06:34 AM - Re: Aileron balance (Bryan Jones)
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--> RV8-List message posted by:
I just fitted my ailerons on the wings and find that they are not balanced,
i.e. they tend to drop when held horizontally. Any thoughts on this issue?
Should ailerons be perfectly balanced as elevators should?
Michle
RV8 - wings - France
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--> RV8-List message posted by: "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule@pfclaw.com>
Michle,
I understand from previous postings on the RV list (including some by folks
at Van's Aircraft) that Van designed the ailerons only to be partially
balanced by that iron water pipe in the nose. In other words, the ailerons
are not designed to be perfectly balanced.
Stephen Soule
Swanton, Vermont
RV-6A N227RV flying
RV-8 N222SZ under construction
-----Original Message-----
I just fitted my ailerons on the wings and find that they are not balanced,
i.e. they tend to drop when held horizontally. Any thoughts on this issue?
Should ailerons be perfectly balanced as elevators should?
Michle
RV8 - wings - France
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--> RV8-List message posted by:
Thanks Stephen - figure that if I had to balance, would require a fair
amount of weight since the arm is pretty small, and Vans would have designed
it differently so that weight could be added or removed.
Michle
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephen J. Soule
> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 1:13 PM
> To: 'rv8-list@matronics.com'
> Subject: RE: RV8-List: Aileron balance
>
> --> RV8-List message posted by: "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule@pfclaw.com>
>
> Michle,
>
> I understand from previous postings on the RV list (including some by
> folks
> at Van's Aircraft) that Van designed the ailerons only to be partially
> balanced by that iron water pipe in the nose. In other words, the ailerons
> are not designed to be perfectly balanced.
>
> Stephen Soule
> Swanton, Vermont
> RV-6A N227RV flying
> RV-8 N222SZ under construction
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> I just fitted my ailerons on the wings and find that they are not
> balanced,
> i.e. they tend to drop when held horizontally. Any thoughts on this issue?
> Should ailerons be perfectly balanced as elevators should?
>
> Michle
> RV8 - wings - France
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Quick build RV-8 gear leg drilling question |
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule@pfclaw.com>
I have the RV-8 quick build fuselage. I have (finally) squared the gear legs
and drilled them to the gear leg boxes. The outer wear bars (can't recall
the part number) on each side have two 1/4 inch bolt holes that have to be
drilled. Since the bottom skin is already riveted in place, the only way to
get at them is through the cockpit side. How did you quick build builders
drill these holes? Van's construction manual says to measure for the holes,
but does not provide any information about how this is to be done. Practical
advice is greatly needed.
Stephen Soule
Swanton, Vermont
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Quick build RV-8 gear leg drilling question
I have the RV-8 quick build fuselage. I have (finally) squared the gear legs and
drilled them to the gear leg boxes. The outer wear bars (can't recall the part
number) on each side have two 1/4 inch bolt holes that have to be drilled.
Since the bottom skin is already riveted in place, the only way to get at them
is through the cockpit side. How did you quick build builders drill these holes?
Van's construction manual says to measure for the holes, but does not provide
any information about how this is to be done. Practical advice is greatly
needed.
Stephen Soule
Swanton, Vermont
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| Subject: | Re: Quick build RV-8 gear leg drilling question |
--> RV8-List message posted by: rveighta <rveighta@earthlink.net>
Stephen, what you're "measuring" for is the spot to drill a hole through the BOTTOM
skin for the 1/4" bolts on each side of the wear plates. Make the hole big
enough for a 1/4" socket to fit through. The holes won't show once the top
intersection fairings are in place.
Walt Shipley RV8A flyin' RV8 QB finish kit
-----Original Message-----
From: "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule@pfclaw.com>
Subject: RV8-List: Quick build RV-8 gear leg drilling question
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule@pfclaw.com>
I have the RV-8 quick build fuselage. I have (finally) squared the gear legs
and drilled them to the gear leg boxes. The outer wear bars (can't recall
the part number) on each side have two 1/4 inch bolt holes that have to be
drilled. Since the bottom skin is already riveted in place, the only way to
get at them is through the cockpit side. How did you quick build builders
drill these holes? Van's construction manual says to measure for the holes,
but does not provide any information about how this is to be done. Practical
advice is greatly needed.
Stephen Soule
Swanton, Vermont
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Quick build RV-8 gear leg drilling question
I have the RV-8 quick build fuselage. I have (finally) squared the gear legs and
drilled them to the gear leg boxes. The outer wear bars (can't recall the part
number) on each side have two 1/4 inch bolt holes that have to be drilled.
Since the bottom skin is already riveted in place, the only way to get at them
is through the cockpit side. How did you quick build builders drill these holes?
Van's construction manual says to measure for the holes, but does not provide
any information about how this is to be done. Practical advice is greatly
needed.
Stephen Soule
Swanton, Vermont
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| Subject: | Quick build RV-8 gear leg drilling question |
--> RV8-List message posted by: Schilling Karl <Karl.Schilling@ssfhs.org>
You need to make holes in the skin on the outside. You're gear leg farings
will cover them when you are finished.
-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen J. Soule [mailto:SSoule@pfclaw.com]
Subject: RV8-List: Quick build RV-8 gear leg drilling question
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule@pfclaw.com>
I have the RV-8 quick build fuselage. I have (finally) squared the gear legs
and drilled them to the gear leg boxes. The outer wear bars (can't recall
the part number) on each side have two 1/4 inch bolt holes that have to be
drilled. Since the bottom skin is already riveted in place, the only way to
get at them is through the cockpit side. How did you quick build builders
drill these holes? Van's construction manual says to measure for the holes,
but does not provide any information about how this is to be done. Practical
advice is greatly needed.
Stephen Soule
Swanton, Vermont
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Quick build RV-8 gear leg drilling question
I have the RV-8 quick build fuselage. I have (finally) squared the gear legs
and drilled them to the gear leg boxes. The outer wear bars (can't recall
the part number) on each side have two 1/4 inch bolt holes that have to be
drilled. Since the bottom skin is already riveted in place, the only way to
get at them is through the cockpit side. How did you quick build builders
drill these holes? Van's construction manual says to measure for the holes,
but does not provide any information about how this is to be done. Practical
advice is greatly needed.
Stephen Soule
Swanton, Vermont
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| Subject: | Quick build RV-8 gear leg drilling question |
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule@pfclaw.com>
Walt,
That makes everything a lot more simple. I suppose that once I look at the
manual tonight I will realize that is exactly what the manual says and I was
making it a lot harder than it had to be, right?
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rveighta
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Quick build RV-8 gear leg drilling question
--> RV8-List message posted by: rveighta <rveighta@earthlink.net>
Stephen, what you're "measuring" for is the spot to drill a hole through the
BOTTOM skin for the 1/4" bolts on each side of the wear plates. Make the
hole big enough for a 1/4" socket to fit through. The holes won't show once
the top intersection fairings are in place.
Walt Shipley RV8A flyin' RV8 QB finish kit
-----Original Message-----
From: "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule@pfclaw.com>
Subject: RV8-List: Quick build RV-8 gear leg drilling question
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule@pfclaw.com>
I have the RV-8 quick build fuselage. I have (finally) squared the gear legs
and drilled them to the gear leg boxes. The outer wear bars (can't recall
the part number) on each side have two 1/4 inch bolt holes that have to be
drilled. Since the bottom skin is already riveted in place, the only way to
get at them is through the cockpit side. How did you quick build builders
drill these holes? Van's construction manual says to measure for the holes,
but does not provide any information about how this is to be done. Practical
advice is greatly needed.
Stephen Soule
Swanton, Vermont
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build RV-8 gear leg drilling question
I have the RV-8 quick build fuselage. I have (finally) squared the gear legs
and drilled them to the gear leg boxes. The outer wear bars (can't recall
the part number) on each side have two 1/4 inch bolt holes that have to be
drilled. Since the bottom skin is already riveted in place, the only way to
get at them is through the cockpit side. How did you quick build builders
drill these holes? Van's construction manual says to measure for the holes,
but does not provide any information about how this is to be done. Practical
advice is greatly needed.
Stephen Soule
Swanton, Vermont
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| Subject: | Quick build RV-8 gear leg drilling question |
--> RV8-List message posted by: rveighta <rveighta@earthlink.net>
Steve, hey, we've all been there. For a while I didn't realize there was a left
and right gear leg and had them on backwards!! Walt
-----Original Message-----
From: "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule@pfclaw.com>
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Quick build RV-8 gear leg drilling question
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule@pfclaw.com>
Walt,
That makes everything a lot more simple. I suppose that once I look at the
manual tonight I will realize that is exactly what the manual says and I was
making it a lot harder than it had to be, right?
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rveighta
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Quick build RV-8 gear leg drilling question
--> RV8-List message posted by: rveighta <rveighta@earthlink.net>
Stephen, what you're "measuring" for is the spot to drill a hole through the
BOTTOM skin for the 1/4" bolts on each side of the wear plates. Make the
hole big enough for a 1/4" socket to fit through. The holes won't show once
the top intersection fairings are in place.
Walt Shipley RV8A flyin' RV8 QB finish kit
-----Original Message-----
From: "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule@pfclaw.com>
Subject: RV8-List: Quick build RV-8 gear leg drilling question
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Stephen J. Soule" <SSoule@pfclaw.com>
I have the RV-8 quick build fuselage. I have (finally) squared the gear legs
and drilled them to the gear leg boxes. The outer wear bars (can't recall
the part number) on each side have two 1/4 inch bolt holes that have to be
drilled. Since the bottom skin is already riveted in place, the only way to
get at them is through the cockpit side. How did you quick build builders
drill these holes? Van's construction manual says to measure for the holes,
but does not provide any information about how this is to be done. Practical
advice is greatly needed.
Stephen Soule
Swanton, Vermont
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">
<META NAME"Generator" CONTENT"MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2657.73"> Quick
build RV-8 gear leg drilling question
I have the RV-8 quick build fuselage. I have (finally) squared the gear legs
and drilled them to the gear leg boxes. The outer wear bars (can't recall
the part number) on each side have two 1/4 inch bolt holes that have to be
drilled. Since the bottom skin is already riveted in place, the only way to
get at them is through the cockpit side. How did you quick build builders
drill these holes? Van's construction manual says to measure for the holes,
but does not provide any information about how this is to be done. Practical
advice is greatly needed.
Stephen Soule
Swanton, Vermont
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--> RV8-List message posted by: "Bryan Jones" <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
I'm not an aerospace engineer, but I am a mechanical engineer. The thing
about a control surface needing to be statically balanced at it's hinge line
is not absolute. Having mass ahead of the hinge line generally helps with
dynamic stability of the control surface (as does the linkage tightness,
aerodynamics, etc.). But whether it's exactly balanced or not is not a
direct indication of whether or not the control system will be free of
flutter.
Point being, it doesn't have to balance exactly to work. With the RVs, I
trust Van 99% (sorry, I am an engineer & pilot and have some of my own
opinions). I built mine as the plans say - pipe only in the aileron LE.
Works fantastic after 713 hrs.
Good luck.
Bryan
Houston
>I just fitted my ailerons on the wings and find that they are not balanced,
>i.e. they tend to drop when held horizontally. Any thoughts on this issue?
>Should ailerons be perfectly balanced as elevators should?
>
>Michle
>RV8 - wings - France
>
>
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