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1. 01:00 AM - Urgent Bunny Page Safety Update Request (Vincent Himsl)
2. 01:32 AM - Re: Urgent Bunny Page Safety Update Request (Steve Hunt)
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| Subject: | Urgent Bunny Page Safety Update Request |
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Vincent Himsl" <vhimsl@turbonet.com>
Hello,
I am sending this email to you as the email link on the bunny list is not
correct.
In the section on 'spars and ribs', under 'Wings', is a list of items to
purchase with a recommendation from me to buy a cheap $12.00 flaring tool. I
have sent a lot of email to the RV list (including this one) correcting this
statement as it is not only wrong (I tossed the cheap one and bought the
Avery one), but if followed dangerous! Dangerous in that builders might
possibly miss the fact that an automotive 45degree flaring tool is not
correct for the aircraft fuel line fittings. This is pointed out in the
plans too.
I had sent an email a year or so ago requesting this change to the bunny
pages and you (Matt Draille) corrected it immediately. So I was extremely
surprised and distressed to see that somehow the old uncorrected reference
returned.
Please either correct statement #11 to say; "I wound up ordering the
official flaring tool from Avery as the cheap one was neither suitable nor
safe" or remove my name from the bunny list.
As the bunny list now stands, I am recommending that people hook up their
fuel lines with a cheap unsafe (45degree) tool.
Needless to say I am extremely worried about this as over a thousand people
have visited this page.
Please reply when the change has been made.
Thanks!
Vince Himsl
RV8 - Finish
Moscow, ID. USA
Below is taken from Bunny's Guide..
A Bunny with Wings
Part 1: Spars and Rib Preparation
Last Updated: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 17:16:44
Visitors=
_____
Part 2: A Bunny with Wings
The big day dawned; my wing kit arrived. Two big boxes, (14' 4" x 10" x 8",
255lbs and 96" x 31" x 10", 260lbs) each needing two blokes to lift.
<http://www.matronics.com/rv-list/bunnys-guide/rv/photos/2a/01.jpg> Wing kit
arrives
I'd decided beforehand to do the ailerons first, since they're more or less
the same construction technique as the empennage control surfaces. I'll
leave the spars, etc until later; ie until I've got some courage together!
:-) This also delays the day when I need to move my workshop out of my spare
room and into the garage (hopefully until after winter!).
Van's manual for wing building is not as good as for the empennage; I'd say
that Frank Justice's manual is a must-have. Generally, I refer to this
manual as FJ. However, since it was all written for non-prepunched, some
doesn't apply. Even more useful is Will Cretsinger's notes... I refer to
these as WC.
RV-List message posted by: Vince Himsl <vhimsl@turbonet.com>: Below are some
'extras' that I have bought while working on the wings.
1. Special #30 X 1/2 CounterSink Bit from Avery for the gas tank bolt
attach points on the spar. Check their catalogue first but I think this is
the correct description.
2. The tube type fluorescent light and telescoping mirror for looking
inside the leading edge (often).
3. An offset 470AD4 rivet gun head with one side flattened for the leading
edge ribs to spar attachment. I had an offset and flattened it on one side.
4. A hole saw or knock out punch @ 14mm to make a hole in each rib for the
plastic conduit from Van's. Makes the hole just big enough to allow you to
pull the conduit through and then hold it in place when you let it go.
5. Some sort of jack arrangement to keep centre of spar/rib assembly from
sagging prior to installation of skins. I used the 1/4" bolts and blocks
from the empennage inserted into each end of a wooden dowel (closet size,
@1.5"). cost= $0.00
6. #6 and #8 dimple dies if you don't already have them. I also bought the
#6 and #8 Counter Sink Bits. Used for access plates, gas tanks.
7. A rivet shaver for the 'crappy' gas tank rivet job. Don't ask me how I
know (:>))
8. An inch-lb torque wrench. Used for tie down assembly and aileron
control, empennage, etc.
9. #D, #19, #21(I think) drill bitts. Used on tanks, access plates.
10. I bought some NAS1097(?) 'ooops' rivets from Vans. I used them for
426AD3 spar holes that I had countersunk too deep.
11. A flaring tool for the vent, gas, and pitot line (cheap one will
do...@$12.00 US).
12. Angles, brackets, etc for modifying the empennage jig to hold the wing.
13. rose coloured glasses...self explanatory. (:>))
14. Paint booth/area. Mine is 4 x 6 x 7 feet made with 1x2 framing and
cheap plastic($4.00 from Wal-Mart0.
For the tanks:
A wire brush bit for your cordless drill. (to sc....
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| Subject: | Re: Urgent Bunny Page Safety Update Request |
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Steve Hunt" <stephen.hunt19@btinternet.com>
Thanks Vince,
no worries mate, all sorted this builder,
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vincent Himsl" <vhimsl@turbonet.com>
Subject: RV8-List: Urgent Bunny Page Safety Update Request
> --> RV8-List message posted by: "Vincent Himsl" <vhimsl@turbonet.com>
>
> Hello,
>
> I am sending this email to you as the email link on the bunny list is not
> correct.
>
>
> In the section on 'spars and ribs', under 'Wings', is a list of items to
> purchase with a recommendation from me to buy a cheap $12.00 flaring tool.
> I
> have sent a lot of email to the RV list (including this one) correcting
> this
> statement as it is not only wrong (I tossed the cheap one and bought the
> Avery one), but if followed dangerous! Dangerous in that builders might
> possibly miss the fact that an automotive 45degree flaring tool is not
> correct for the aircraft fuel line fittings. This is pointed out in the
> plans too.
>
>
> I had sent an email a year or so ago requesting this change to the bunny
> pages and you (Matt Draille) corrected it immediately. So I was extremely
> surprised and distressed to see that somehow the old uncorrected reference
> returned.
>
>
> Please either correct statement #11 to say; "I wound up ordering the
> official flaring tool from Avery as the cheap one was neither suitable nor
> safe" or remove my name from the bunny list.
>
>
> As the bunny list now stands, I am recommending that people hook up their
> fuel lines with a cheap unsafe (45degree) tool.
>
>
> Needless to say I am extremely worried about this as over a thousand
> people
> have visited this page.
>
>
> Please reply when the change has been made.
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Vince Himsl
>
> RV8 - Finish
>
> Moscow, ID. USA
>
>
> Below is taken from Bunny's Guide..
>
>
> A Bunny with Wings
>
>
> Part 1: Spars and Rib Preparation
>
>
> Last Updated: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 17:16:44
> Visitors>
> _____
>
>
> Part 2: A Bunny with Wings
>
>
> The big day dawned; my wing kit arrived. Two big boxes, (14' 4" x 10" x
> 8",
> 255lbs and 96" x 31" x 10", 260lbs) each needing two blokes to lift.
> <http://www.matronics.com/rv-list/bunnys-guide/rv/photos/2a/01.jpg> Wing
> kit
> arrives
>
> I'd decided beforehand to do the ailerons first, since they're more or
> less
> the same construction technique as the empennage control surfaces. I'll
> leave the spars, etc until later; ie until I've got some courage together!
> :-) This also delays the day when I need to move my workshop out of my
> spare
> room and into the garage (hopefully until after winter!).
>
> Van's manual for wing building is not as good as for the empennage; I'd
> say
> that Frank Justice's manual is a must-have. Generally, I refer to this
> manual as FJ. However, since it was all written for non-prepunched, some
> doesn't apply. Even more useful is Will Cretsinger's notes... I refer to
> these as WC.
>
> RV-List message posted by: Vince Himsl <vhimsl@turbonet.com>: Below are
> some
> 'extras' that I have bought while working on the wings.
>
> 1. Special #30 X 1/2 CounterSink Bit from Avery for the gas tank bolt
> attach points on the spar. Check their catalogue first but I think this is
> the correct description.
>
> 2. The tube type fluorescent light and telescoping mirror for looking
> inside the leading edge (often).
>
> 3. An offset 470AD4 rivet gun head with one side flattened for the
> leading
> edge ribs to spar attachment. I had an offset and flattened it on one
> side.
>
> 4. A hole saw or knock out punch @ 14mm to make a hole in each rib for
> the
> plastic conduit from Van's. Makes the hole just big enough to allow you to
> pull the conduit through and then hold it in place when you let it go.
>
> 5. Some sort of jack arrangement to keep centre of spar/rib assembly from
> sagging prior to installation of skins. I used the 1/4" bolts and blocks
> from the empennage inserted into each end of a wooden dowel (closet size,
> @1.5"). cost= $0.00
>
> 6. #6 and #8 dimple dies if you don't already have them. I also bought
> the
> #6 and #8 Counter Sink Bits. Used for access plates, gas tanks.
>
> 7. A rivet shaver for the 'crappy' gas tank rivet job. Don't ask me how
> I
> know (:>))
>
> 8. An inch-lb torque wrench. Used for tie down assembly and aileron
> control, empennage, etc.
>
> 9. #D, #19, #21(I think) drill bitts. Used on tanks, access plates.
>
> 10. I bought some NAS1097(?) 'ooops' rivets from Vans. I used them for
> 426AD3 spar holes that I had countersunk too deep.
>
> 11. A flaring tool for the vent, gas, and pitot line (cheap one will
> do...@$12.00 US).
>
> 12. Angles, brackets, etc for modifying the empennage jig to hold the
> wing.
>
>
> 13. rose coloured glasses...self explanatory. (:>))
>
> 14. Paint booth/area. Mine is 4 x 6 x 7 feet made with 1x2 framing and
> cheap plastic($4.00 from Wal-Mart0.
>
> For the tanks:
> A wire brush bit for your cordless drill. (to sc....
>
>
>
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