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1. 04:14 AM - Landings (Nic)
2. 09:01 AM - Re: Landings (Paul Schattauer)
3. 09:45 AM - Re: Landings (Mickey Coggins)
4. 03:01 PM - Tall Pilot Option (Dan Beadle)
5. 03:53 PM - Re: Tall Pilot Option (Paul Schattauer)
6. 05:45 PM - Re: Tall Pilot Option (scott bilinski)
7. 06:12 PM - Re: Tall Pilot Option (Larry Bowen)
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Cc: <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Nic" <Nic@skyhi.flyer.co.uk>
Bryan, Thanks for your feedback on the RV8 handling. I have had several
emails from RV8'ers that have had the same experience as myself, namely of
disappointing handling in takeoff and particularly landing regimes.
I think the issue is mainly one of "expectations" and I had assumed that the
RV grin was one derived from excellent light handling, rather than just
performance. Speaking to a number of pilots that have come to RV8's from
Pitt's or other similar aircraft, they too have found that the 8 is heavy
and not very responsive in certain regimes. Yes, it feels sporty at high
speeds - but that is to be expected.
Much of the discussion on the RV8 forums is naturally about building rather
than flying and it has been good recently to hear some honest opinions on
the RV8 handling, (even if they are often off-line).
Yes, the aircraft is pretty benign and can be landed in a three hundred
yards, and yes, it can be flown as a stable platform at low speeds with the
flaps down ...... but in my honest opinion is that it lacks fine and
detailed feedback that defines a truly great handling airplane.
The ergonomics of the seating and stick position are not ideal either and I
will be thinking of ways to enhance the current arrangements in my own RV8.
(I have heard that Jon J's seats are an improvement in the RV4).
As suggested I think that it really depends on your previous experience as
to whether the handling has the "feel" or not. Overall I am still generally
happy with my new 8, but will Now probably keep my Pitts S1 to keep in
touch.
Rgds, Nic
> I see someone below saying the -8 landing are without feel and
> disappointing. Well, just don't see that. Have no idea what this would
be
> compared to, but just don't see this at all.
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--> RV8-List message posted by: "Paul Schattauer" <chasm711@msn.com>
Nic
You seem to imply that the "RV grin" is only acquired from performance and
not handling and that the RV 8 delivers "disappointing" take off and landing
and landing characteristics. If that is your experience that is certainly
valid for you but in no way mirrors the experience of all others. If you
are comparing an RV to a Pitts its a bit of an apples and oranges thing. I
challenge you to put spades on your ailerons, VGs on your stabilizer and
bias your CG aft and then comment on the comparison. You have much more
experience than many builders and are aware that a short coupled Pitts will
be lighter and more responsive in pitch and roll than just about anything
else. When my RV 8 is full of fuel with just me in it and that heavy angle
valve engine up front it gets nose heavy when landing (slow) but at the end
of a cross country leg with low fuel and my wife in the back seat its very
light in pitch. The point is that your Pitts is optimized for a fairly
narrow flight and loading regime and an RV is capable of a much broader
envelope. My experience has been that the RV series is delightful and
responsive to fly in all regimes. Now tell me again how that Pitts has
better takeoff characteristics :)
Paul Schattauer
RV8 N808 PS
I wheel land on pavement when the CG is forward and 3 point when aft
I always 3 point on grass
The tall pilot option (I am 5'11") and a slightly bent (cut and welded)
stick solved the cockpit ergonomics for me
>From: "Nic" <Nic@skyhi.flyer.co.uk>
>To: <rv8-list@matronics.com>
>CC: <rv_8pilot@hotmail.com>
>Subject: RV8-List: Landings
>Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 12:13:27 -0000
>
>--> RV8-List message posted by: "Nic" <Nic@skyhi.flyer.co.uk>
>
>Bryan, Thanks for your feedback on the RV8 handling. I have had several
>emails from RV8'ers that have had the same experience as myself, namely of
>disappointing handling in takeoff and particularly landing regimes.
>
>I think the issue is mainly one of "expectations" and I had assumed that
>the
>RV grin was one derived from excellent light handling, rather than just
>performance. Speaking to a number of pilots that have come to RV8's from
>Pitt's or other similar aircraft, they too have found that the 8 is heavy
>and not very responsive in certain regimes. Yes, it feels sporty at high
>speeds - but that is to be expected.
>
>Much of the discussion on the RV8 forums is naturally about building rather
>than flying and it has been good recently to hear some honest opinions on
>the RV8 handling, (even if they are often off-line).
>
>Yes, the aircraft is pretty benign and can be landed in a three hundred
>yards, and yes, it can be flown as a stable platform at low speeds with the
>flaps down ...... but in my honest opinion is that it lacks fine and
>detailed feedback that defines a truly great handling airplane.
>
>The ergonomics of the seating and stick position are not ideal either and I
>will be thinking of ways to enhance the current arrangements in my own RV8.
>(I have heard that Jon J's seats are an improvement in the RV4).
>
>As suggested I think that it really depends on your previous experience as
>to whether the handling has the "feel" or not. Overall I am still generally
>happy with my new 8, but will Now probably keep my Pitts S1 to keep in
>touch.
>
>Rgds, Nic
>
> > I see someone below saying the -8 landing are without feel and
> > disappointing. Well, just don't see that. Have no idea what this would
>be
> > compared to, but just don't see this at all.
>
>
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--> RV8-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins <mick-matronics@rv8.ch>
> The ergonomics of the seating and stick position are not ideal either and I
> will be thinking of ways to enhance the current arrangements in my own RV8.
> (I have heard that Jon J's seats are an improvement in the RV4).
Nik,
If you (or anyone else) is interested in a set of Jon Johanson seats,
I've got a set for sale.
--
Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/
#82007 finishing
do not archive
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| Subject: | Tall Pilot Option |
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Dan Beadle" <Dan.Beadle@hq.InclineSoftworks.com>
What does the Tall Pilot Option entail for an RV8. I see that Paul
Schattauer used it at 5'11". Vans says something about 6'6" or
something like that. At 6'1", is it recommended or not? And what does
it do to the back seat room?
Thanks
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| Subject: | Tall Pilot Option |
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Paul Schattauer" <chasm711@msn.com>
The tall pilot option changes the geometry of the front seat back weldment
and allows you to "tilt" back about another inch and a half. What it really
does is move your head aft about 2 inches and reclines you a bit. It is
more comfortable for me and gives me a little more distance from the panel.
It does reduce the room in the back a little. It is a bolt on change. I
have no clue why Van suggests it for 6"6' pilots only.
Paul Schattauer
RV 8 808PS
>From: "Dan Beadle" <Dan.Beadle@hq.inclinesoftworks.com>
>To: <rv8-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV8-List: Tall Pilot Option
>Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 15:00:38 -0800
>
>--> RV8-List message posted by: "Dan Beadle"
><Dan.Beadle@hq.InclineSoftworks.com>
>
>What does the Tall Pilot Option entail for an RV8. I see that Paul
>Schattauer used it at 5'11". Vans says something about 6'6" or
>something like that. At 6'1", is it recommended or not? And what does
>it do to the back seat room?
>
>
>Thanks
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tall Pilot Option |
--> RV8-List message posted by: scott bilinski <rv8a2001@yahoo.com>
It all depends on how you are proportioned. I am 6'3" and I fit ok. If I had to
make a change It would be one that gives me more leg room. My knees are regularly
hitting the bottom of the instrument panel.
To do it over again. I would flip around the mid cabin brace and move the seat
bottom back about 2~3 inches. Flipping the mid cabin brace moves the top of
the seat back......I think this would not be a problem. If you do this the stick
really needs to be moved back also.
Also on the seat cushions, I ordered Oregon Aero and had them make the last 2
inches a seperat piece. Boy am I glad I did that other wise my head set would
be hitting the canopy.
Dan Beadle <Dan.Beadle@hq.inclinesoftworks.com> wrote:
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Dan Beadle"
What does the Tall Pilot Option entail for an RV8. I see that Paul
Schattauer used it at 5'11". Vans says something about 6'6" or
something like that. At 6'1", is it recommended or not? And what does
it do to the back seat room?
Thanks
Scott Bilinski
RV-8a
cell 858-395-5094
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| Subject: | Tall Pilot Option |
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@BowenAero.com>
I'm 6'1" and have no problems or regrets with the stock configuration (no
tall option).
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Beadle [mailto:Dan.Beadle@hq.inclinesoftworks.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 6:01 PM
> To: rv8-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV8-List: Tall Pilot Option
>
> --> RV8-List message posted by: "Dan Beadle"
> --> <Dan.Beadle@hq.InclineSoftworks.com>
>
> What does the Tall Pilot Option entail for an RV8. I see
> that Paul Schattauer used it at 5'11". Vans says something
> about 6'6" or something like that. At 6'1", is it
> recommended or not? And what does it do to the back seat room?
>
> Thanks
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