---------------------------------------------------------- RV8-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/03/06: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:39 AM - IO390 & Finishing Kit (Dan Beadle) 2. 08:10 AM - Re: IO390 & Finishing Kit (LessDragProd@aol.com) 3. 08:12 AM - Re: IO390 & Finishing Kit (Mickey Coggins) 4. 08:30 AM - Re: IO390 & Finishing Kit (Dan Beadle) 5. 10:30 AM - Re: Electronic Ignition (was IO390 & Finishing Kit) (LessDragProd@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:40 AM PST US Subject: RV8-List: IO390 & Finishing Kit From: "Dan Beadle" --> RV8-List message posted by: "Dan Beadle" I am building an RV8 for use up in the mountains. Normally I would turbocharge but that is not a simple option for the RV. So we have decided to put in a larger engine and "de-rate" it for SL to 200 HP, giving us a little more performance to cross the mountains at 16,000'. =20 We have also decided to go light up front wherever possible to offset the weight and moment of the bigger engine. These include: =20 - Grove Landing gear (-18#, maybe some speed gain) - Aerocomposite CS prop (-30#) - James Cowl and Plenum (no change, but 10-15K speed gain) - James Wheel Pants - Rear battery =20 Does anyone know the best way to order the finishing kit and avoid extra parts from Vans? Do you have any recommendations for changes? ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:02 AM PST US From: LessDragProd@aol.com Subject: Re: RV8-List: IO390 & Finishing Kit --> RV8-List message posted by: LessDragProd@aol.com Hi Dan, IMHO, you'll need to add dual electronic ignition in place of the Mag's. One of the Lycoming engineers told me that the 360 engine with a light propeller brings the accessory case gear harmonics below the 2700 RPM level. It doesn't damage the gears, but the Mag's and fuel pump don't last very long in this environment. This could apply equally to the 390 engine with the light propeller. Regards, Jim Ayers In a message dated 05/03/2006 7:40:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Dan.Beadle@hq.inclinesoftworks.com writes: --> RV8-List message posted by: "Dan Beadle" I am building an RV8 for use up in the mountains. Normally I would turbocharge but that is not a simple option for the RV. So we have decided to put in a larger engine and "de-rate" it for SL to 200 HP, giving us a little more performance to cross the mountains at 16,000'. =20 We have also decided to go light up front wherever possible to offset the weight and moment of the bigger engine. These include: =20 - Grove Landing gear (-18#, maybe some speed gain) - Aerocomposite CS prop (-30#) - James Cowl and Plenum (no change, but 10-15K speed gain) - James Wheel Pants - Rear battery =20 Does anyone know the best way to order the finishing kit and avoid extra parts from Vans? Do you have any recommendations for changes? ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:13 AM PST US From: Mickey Coggins Subject: Re: RV8-List: IO390 & Finishing Kit --> RV8-List message posted by: Mickey Coggins > - Grove Landing gear (-18#, maybe some speed gain) > ... > > Does anyone know the best way to order the finishing kit and avoid extra > parts from Vans? Do you have any recommendations for changes? I've got an article describing what you can leave out with the Grove gear here: http://www.rv8.ch/article.php?story=20040404153921362 While it won't save weight, you may want to ask Grove about the single piece gear they offer for the RV8, but didn't have on their website last time I checked. -- Mickey Coggins http://www.rv8.ch/ #82007 finishing do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:30:44 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV8-List: IO390 & Finishing Kit From: "Dan Beadle" --> RV8-List message posted by: "Dan Beadle" Thanks. Which ignition do you recommend? -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LessDragProd@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 8:08 AM Subject: Re: RV8-List: IO390 & Finishing Kit --> RV8-List message posted by: LessDragProd@aol.com Hi Dan, IMHO, you'll need to add dual electronic ignition in place of the Mag's. One of the Lycoming engineers told me that the 360 engine with a light propeller brings the accessory case gear harmonics below the 2700 RPM level. It doesn't damage the gears, but the Mag's and fuel pump don't last very long in this environment. This could apply equally to the 390 engine with the light propeller. Regards, Jim Ayers In a message dated 05/03/2006 7:40:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Dan.Beadle@hq.inclinesoftworks.com writes: --> RV8-List message posted by: "Dan Beadle" I am building an RV8 for use up in the mountains. Normally I would turbocharge but that is not a simple option for the RV. So we have decided to put in a larger engine and "de-rate" it for SL to 200 HP, giving us a little more performance to cross the mountains at 16,000'. =20 We have also decided to go light up front wherever possible to offset the weight and moment of the bigger engine. These include: =20 - Grove Landing gear (-18#, maybe some speed gain) - Aerocomposite CS prop (-30#) - James Cowl and Plenum (no change, but 10-15K speed gain) - James Wheel Pants - Rear battery =20 Does anyone know the best way to order the finishing kit and avoid extra parts from Vans? Do you have any recommendations for changes? ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:30:17 AM PST US From: LessDragProd@aol.com Subject: Re: RV8-List: Electronic Ignition (was IO390 & Finishing Kit) --> RV8-List message posted by: LessDragProd@aol.com Hi Dan, I don't have a recommendation. I'm a distributor for the ElecrtoAire. Also, Lightspeeed is a local company that I like. But I'm really interested in the development of the P-Mag. The ElectroAire and the Lightspeed electronic ignition systems both need extra care with the electrical system. So no single point failure causes the loose of all electrical power (and the engine noise). The P-mag (available for 4 cylinder, but not 6 cyl. yet) is independent of the electrical system above 900 RPM. They seem to be getting past the problems that are typical in the early production phase of a product. One of the local pilots has an E-mag and a P-mag on his Lancair. I'm watching for his success. Regards, Jim Ayers In a message dated 05/03/2006 8:32:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Dan.Beadle@hq.inclinesoftworks.com writes: --> RV8-List message posted by: "Dan Beadle" Thanks. Which ignition do you recommend?