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1. 06:32 AM - Softfield capabilities (Nic)
2. 07:11 AM - FW: Wichita KS (Dan Beadle)
3. 07:34 AM - New York - Neil (neilmark@aol.com)
4. 12:37 PM - Re: Softfield capabilities (Jeff Preou)
5. 06:25 PM - Re: New York - Neil (James Freeman)
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| Subject: | Softfield capabilities |
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Nic" <Nic@skyhi.flyer.co.uk>
More things Vans don't tell you ....
The RV8 may well be the better choice for soft field landings, however, be
careful to select your wheel size and wheel pants accordingly - The Vans
design with 5" Wheels and standard wheel pants / spats is Hopeless for grass
fields unless the ground is smooth and firm.
I recently had damage to my new wheel pants as did a friend with an 8, so
with the benefit of hindsight I would use larger wheels and different wheel
pants for grass.
I would also change the tailwheel before you start as the Vans design is
sadly lacking.
Fly Safe, Nic
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--> RV8-List message posted by: "Dan Beadle" <dan.beadle@inclinesoftworks.com>
Jeff,
I decided to go RV8 vs. 8A after starting aerobatics work. That got me back
to the joy of flying. (I fly a Cessna414. It is challenging, but not fun in
a stick and rudder sense.) I wanted to be able to go into shorter fields
(the twin needs 4000' and I like 6000'). That got me to the idea of
building an airplane. Selecting Vans was a no-brainer: lots of plane
flying safely minimizes the risk.
I looked over the models and came to like the 8 based on speed and mission.
Fast is always good and the 8 is the fastest. And tandem has the cool
factor.
I suspect that you went through a similar process to get where you are.
The remaining decision was 8 or 8A? I had next to zero time in tail wheel,
but over 10,000 total time. I figured tail wheel would not be difficult -
and it wasn't. As I recall, you are still working on your rating. Learning
a tail wheel is not that big a deal. In some ways, it makes you a better
pilot by focusing you on attitude flying. There are certainly some
drawbacks technically - like ground control, but once in the air, they fly
the same (or maybe a little faster than a tri-gear). You do have to be
careful taxing in winds and you do have to land a little more smoothly, but
these are manageable.
There are two other drawbacks: insurance and resale.
With all my time, the insurance company prefers to have a lot of tail wheel
time to insure the airplane. But this is negotiable. I decided to build
some time by towing gliders in a Pawnee. The insurance company wanted 150
hours of tail wheel time, but I got them to accept me at 10 hours total tail
wheel time. And that was in a single place plane where I had to check myself
out. They did this with no extra premium.
The other drawback is resale. Experimentals are already different to sell.
You have to find a buyer in love with your implementation - you don't have
just another C172 for sale. But you also have to find a tail wheel pilot.
An instructor buddy who specializes in such tells me that only about 10% of
the pilots have the FAA Conventional Gear Endorsement.
Still, even with these limitations, I figure and RV8 was just meant to park
pointed to the sky.
Dan
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[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Preou
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 10:38 PM
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Jeff Preou" <jeff@preou.com>
Hi Stephanie,
Thanks for that. I still haven't made up my mind. We'd like to go RV-8
but there are so many factors to consider. I need to do some more
research to find out the best fit.
Cheers,
--
Jeff Preou
Hamilton, New Zealand
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[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie
Marshall
Sent: Tuesday, 11 July 2006 1:21 a.m.
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Stephanie Marshall"
--> <smarshall@enid.org>
Hi Jeff,
We decided to go with an 8 for the soft-field landing capabilities. We
believe (I know some might not) that the front landing gear on the 8A
might not be able to take the repeated stress of landing on soft-fields.
The other thing that we took into account was the damage that could
result from a collapse of the front gear vs. the damage from a ground
loop. We have seen the damage that comes from a plane flipping when
it's front gear fails, and we don't even want to THINK about going there
=)
We plan on taking our plane into MANY soft fields over its lifetime, so
our reasoning probably isn't valid for everyone. =)
Stephanie
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[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Preou
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 7:36 PM
Without getting into the "what is better" argument, what were your
reasons for swapping to the -8, and did you consider or check out such
things as crosswind limits, pilot experience, insurance permiums, etc?
What did you find out? I ask because I will have that same decision in
six months or so...
Cheers,
--
Jeff Preou
Hamilton, New Zealand
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Sent: Thu 6/07/2006 7:38 a.m.
Hey,
After a LONG hiatus I am back.....for a little while anyway. We are
moving to Wichita this month, if we can find a place to live =) (Does
anyone know of a nice place to rent while we look for a place to buy??)
Baron has been transferred to McConnell and so off we go into the wild
blue yonder....oops sorry it seems that I have had a little too much Dr.
Pepper today if I am breaking into song.
I moved our freebee site to a paid server so that it gets backed up
nightly, I would really hate for something to happen to it.
www.rv-8a.4t.com <http://www.rv-8a.4t.com/> has changed to www.rv-8.org
<http://www.rv-8.org/> nothing has really changed lately except for the
major fact that we are going with an RV-8 instead of an RV-8a.
Cheers,
Stephanie Marshall
Software Support Tech.
City of Enid
smarshall@enid.org <mailto:smarshall2enid.org> 580-234-0400 X-3030
www.enid.org <http://www.enid.org/>
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I am trying to get some feedback on putting an IVO Prop- Magnum (electric constant
speed) on my RV8A with IO360A1A- 200 hp engine.
Anyone have any experience with this prop? ts lighter and less expensive than the
hartzell. Has anyone heard anything good or bad about it?
Thanks,
Neil (NYC)
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| Subject: | Softfield capabilities |
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Jeff Preou" <jeff@preou.com>
Thanks for all the input guys. Dan; interested about your comments re:
tail wheel time and insurance. I'm definitely going to be insuring so I
should make a couple of phone calls. Like I said before, I think I can
get my license in a tail wheel plane at the parachute club so I'll ask
about that next time I'm up there.
About the whole soft field thing: NZ is predominantly grass fields. In
fact, the half dozen or so fields I am likely to use on a regular basis,
one of which is where I'm hoping to be based, all are grass. And when it
rains here, it *really* rains: read that as 'soft'!! Anyone actually
fitted larger wheels to their RV (any model?).
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Jeff Preou
Hamilton, New Zealand
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[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Nic
Sent: Wednesday, 12 July 2006 1:27 a.m.
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Nic" <Nic@skyhi.flyer.co.uk>
More things Vans don't tell you ....
The RV8 may well be the better choice for soft field landings, however,
be careful to select your wheel size and wheel pants accordingly - The
Vans design with 5" Wheels and standard wheel pants / spats is Hopeless
for grass fields unless the ground is smooth and firm.
I recently had damage to my new wheel pants as did a friend with an 8,
so with the benefit of hindsight I would use larger wheels and different
wheel pants for grass.
I would also change the tailwheel before you start as the Vans design is
sadly lacking.
Fly Safe, Nic
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| Subject: | Re: New York - Neil |
--> RV8-List message posted by: James Freeman <flyeyes@mac.com>
Google "IVO prop" and "Lycoming" and you will get a lot of
interesting hits. Mostly unfavorable stuff, but a lot of it is
dated. I'm running a Whirlwind 151 which was a little expensive but
is very lightweight and smooth. I know that some builders with auto
conversions are pleased with the IVO but I'm not aware of any with
long-term experience on a Lycoming, in particular the IO-360.
You occasionally see used Hartzell props at very reasonable prices,
if that's the primary consideration.
I'd feel a lot better with a FP wood prop if I wanted cheap and
lightweight, or the whirlwind if I just wanted lightweight.
My $.02
> I am trying to get some feedback on putting an IVO Prop- Magnum
> (electric constant speed) on my RV8A with IO360A1A- 200 hp engine.
> Anyone have any experience with this prop? ts lighter and less
> expensive than the hartzell. Has anyone heard anything good or bad
> about it?
> Thanks,
> Neil (NYC)
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