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1. 03:10 PM - New Builder (Bill & Debbie Settle)
2. 03:47 PM - Re: New Builder (Dan)
3. 04:18 PM - Re: New Builder (Jeff Preou)
4. 04:59 PM - What cars w/L67? (scott bilinski)
5. 05:39 PM - Re: New Builder (Frank Stringham)
6. 06:03 PM - Re: What cars w/L67? (scott bilinski)
7. 06:29 PM - Re: New Builder (dick martin)
8. 07:09 PM - Re: New Builder (Steve Eberhart)
9. 07:14 PM - Re: New Builder (John Porter)
10. 08:12 PM - RV8 List- New Builder (Dick DeCramer)
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--> RV8-List message posted by: Bill & Debbie Settle <billsettle@peoplepc.com>
Hi Everyone,
I'm a newby with a couple of newby questions for you. I am starting an RV-8 tail
kit this month and am trying to collect the tools I think I'll need. I have
been looking at the Roper Whitney compound hand rivet squeezer at Aircraft Tool
Supply, as well as Cleaveland A/C Tool's "The Main Squeeze". Both are about
the same cost. Does anyone have any opinions on them...? Also, can someone
recommend a pneumatic squeezer and are they necessary? Any other advice anyone
could provide on anything would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Bill Settle
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Bill,,,
Lots of advise is comming I'm sure, and it's all good.
As for me I bought a pheumatic squeezer right off and still don't have a hand
squeeze, as of yet I havn't needed the hand tool but I'm thinking about buying
one. it has to also fit the same yokes as the standard pheumatic
Welcome to the club
Dan
-8
finishing tail soon,.,
Ssnohomish WA
Bill & Debbie Settle <billsettle@peoplepc.com> wrote:
--> RV8-List message posted by: Bill & Debbie Settle
Hi Everyone,
I'm a newby with a couple of newby questions for you. I am starting an RV-8 tail
kit this month and am trying to collect the tools I think I'll need. I have
been looking at the Roper Whitney compound hand rivet squeezer at Aircraft Tool
Supply, as well as Cleaveland A/C Tool's "The Main Squeeze". Both are about
the same cost. Does anyone have any opinions on them...? Also, can someone recommend
a pneumatic squeezer and are they necessary? Any other advice anyone could
provide on anything would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Bill Settle
________________________________________
PeoplePC Online
A better way to Internet
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I bought the Avery toolkit and also an Avery pneumatic squeezer (they wer
e on special at the time). I love the pneumatic and use it a lot, but the
re is still the odd occasion where the hand squeezer allows me easier con
trol. The yokes are interchangeable, I have the quick release pins and th
e adjustable set holder. Life is easy(-ier) with the right tools!! I just
figured that if I'm spending $150k (NZ) then an extra grand or two on
decent tools isn't really much in the grand scheme of things...
Cheers,
--
Jeff Preou
Hamilton, New Zealand
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le
Sent: Wed 6/09/2006 10:09 AM
Subject: RV8-List: New Builder
--> RV8-List message posted by: Bill & Debbie Settle <billsettle@peoplepc
.com>
Hi Everyone,
I'm a newby with a couple of newby questions for you. I am starting an R
V-8 tail kit this month and am trying to collect the tools I think I'll n
eed. I have been looking at the Roper Whitney compound hand rivet squeez
er at Aircraft Tool Supply, as well as Cleaveland A/C Tool's "The Main Sq
ueeze". Both are about the same cost. Does anyone have any opinions on
them...? Also, can someone recommend a pneumatic squeezer and are the
y necessary? Any other advice anyone could provide on anything would be
greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Bill Settle
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| Subject: | What cars w/L67? |
What cars did the L-67 supercharged come in? Having a hard time locating one when
I dont know what car they came in.
Thanks
Scott
Scott Bilinski
RV-8a
cell 858-395-5094
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--> RV8-List message posted by: "Frank Stringham" <fstringham@hotmail.com>
Bill
Congrats on the start and your ???? I started my 7A 2 years ago this month
(Sept.04 2006). Enjoyed every minute of it ....even the mistakes.......
Now to the tools questions. I do know that my son ( who I build homes with)
said Dad remember it is the tools. He said this as I was trying to decide to
buy the DRDT2 dimpler. I am glad I bought it. Saved time, made perfect
dimples, and was very easy to use. With that said I bought the Avery RV Kit,
pneumatic squeezer from the Tool Yard....4 inch no hole yoke and the
longerone yoke. I do kinda wished I had bought the Cleveland squeezer for
those time when a hand sqeezer makes more sense than the pneumatic. A dremel
is a must. I also have a belt sander, band saw, table saw, and on and on
and on. I feel sometimes like I have kept sears/lowes/home depot/Ace.....in
business. The more tools the better!
At a minimum build Vans practice kit. At a max. go to one of the schools
that will help you finish off your emanage (SP). I did the practice project
and had a good freind with a lot of build experience get me started. He did
give me one excellent piece of advice. "Be Patient". I can tell you every
time I have made a mistake I was pressing forward full speed under the
notion that, "I think this will work". NOT................My advice would
be: Get help with the learning curve, yes, be patient, don't rivet unless
the part is tied down solid, take your time, check out the web pages of the
great builders....Dan Checkoway, Walter Tondu, Sam Buchanan ...plus many
more on the Vans links. Last be not least read the instructions...get
claification where needed, and then measure trice/cut-drill-rivet-etc once.
I am now finishing up the canopy (tip up..a real mans plane canopy ....boy
will this start a discussion), wiring, panel stuff, FWF and .........Well
lets just say it will be done when it is done.
Again welcome, happy building, and I can't wait to read your email advice to
a newby! It will come sooner than you think. Oh ya never ever give up your
dream!
Frank @ SGU and SLC..........
>From: Bill & Debbie Settle <billsettle@peoplepc.com>
>To: rv8-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV8-List: New Builder
>Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 18:09:50 -0400 (EDT)
>
>--> RV8-List message posted by: Bill & Debbie Settle
><billsettle@peoplepc.com>
>
>Hi Everyone,
>
>I'm a newby with a couple of newby questions for you. I am starting an
>RV-8 tail kit this month and am trying to collect the tools I think I'll
>need. I have been looking at the Roper Whitney compound hand rivet
>squeezer at Aircraft Tool Supply, as well as Cleaveland A/C Tool's "The
>Main Squeeze". Both are about the same cost. Does anyone have any
>opinions on them...? Also, can someone recommend a pneumatic squeezer and
>are they necessary? Any other advice anyone could provide on anything
>would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>Bill Settle
>
>________________________________________
>PeoplePC Online
>A better way to Internet
>http://www.peoplepc.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: What cars w/L67? |
Sorry wrong list!!!!
scott bilinski <rv8a2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
What cars did the L-67 supercharged come in? Having a hard time locating one
when I dont know what car they came in.
Thanks
Scott
Scott Bilinski
RV-8a
cell 858-395-5094
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--> RV8-List message posted by: "dick martin" <martin@gbonline.com>
Bill,
BUY THE ONE FROM CLEVELAND.
Also buy only Cleveland or Avery dies.
I tried all of them and ended up selling the others at the OSH flea market.
Dick Martin
RV8 N233M
the fast one
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill & Debbie Settle" <billsettle@peoplepc.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 5:09 PM
Subject: RV8-List: New Builder
> --> RV8-List message posted by: Bill & Debbie Settle
> <billsettle@peoplepc.com>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'm a newby with a couple of newby questions for you. I am starting an
> RV-8 tail kit this month and am trying to collect the tools I think I'll
> need. I have been looking at the Roper Whitney compound hand rivet
> squeezer at Aircraft Tool Supply, as well as Cleaveland A/C Tool's "The
> Main Squeeze". Both are about the same cost. Does anyone have any
> opinions on them...? Also, can someone recommend a pneumatic squeezer and
> are they necessary? Any other advice anyone could provide on anything
> would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill Settle
>
> ________________________________________
> PeoplePC Online
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--> RV8-List message posted by: Steve Eberhart <steve@newtech.com>
Dan wrote:
> Bill,,,
> Lots of advise is comming I'm sure, and it's all good.
> As for me I bought a pheumatic squeezer right off and still don't have
> a hand squeeze, as of yet I havn't needed the hand tool but I'm
> thinking about buying one. it has to also fit the same yokes as the
> standard pheumatic
> Welcome to the club
> Dan
> -8
> finishing tail soon,.,
> Ssnohomish WA
I am finishing the fuselage kit and ready to order the finishing kit for
my RV-7A. Still only have the pneumatic squeezer, bought from Avery,
and don't have a hand squeezer.
Steve Eberhart
RV-7A, canoe flipped and ready to order the finishing kit
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--> RV8-List message posted by: "John Porter" <december29@bellsouth.net>
Bill,
As the slowest RV-8 builder in the world (80002, yep, lots of zeros but
almost done.........no, really) I feel qualified to comment. I would like
to throw in my 2 cents for a pneumatic squeezer. They are not required, a
buddy and I are both building -8's in his shop, but we have commented to
each other that we should have gotten one to save time. You use it and then
can sell it for probably not much less than you paid for it. In riveting 4
wings, 27 ailerons, 11 tail pieces.............okay, I'm exaggerating, but
there were times where you thought you would end up with Popeye forearms.
Now the guys that want you to smelt the kit out of ore will disagree. But
to be totally honest, I bought a bunch of crap that people said I "needed"
to have that I used maybe once (or not at all).
Having a pneumatic squeezer is like having a really great looking wife.
Sure it's not necessary, but in the end, you'll be really happy you had one.
Okay, philosophy was not my major, but it seems right. Bill, have fun with
the kit and build it faster than me (10 years, 4 years of building is a long
time...........my "G" tolerance has gone from over 7 to about 2........
Later,
John
december29@bellsouth.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill & Debbie Settle" <billsettle@peoplepc.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 6:09 PM
Subject: RV8-List: New Builder
> --> RV8-List message posted by: Bill & Debbie Settle
> <billsettle@peoplepc.com>
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I'm a newby with a couple of newby questions for you. I am starting an
> RV-8 tail kit this month and am trying to collect the tools I think I'll
> need. I have been looking at the Roper Whitney compound hand rivet
> squeezer at Aircraft Tool Supply, as well as Cleaveland A/C Tool's "The
> Main Squeeze". Both are about the same cost. Does anyone have any
> opinions on them...? Also, can someone recommend a pneumatic squeezer and
> are they necessary? Any other advice anyone could provide on anything
> would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill Settle
>
> ________________________________________
> PeoplePC Online
> A better way to Internet
> http://www.peoplepc.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RV8 List- New Builder |
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Dick DeCramer" <diesel@rconnect.com>
Bill,
I have built a slow build RV6, rebuilt an RV4 wreck, and am now starting an
RV8. The rivet tools I have are an Avery 3X rivet gun, and an Avery hand
squeezer with a 3" yoke and rivet dies from either Avery or Cleaveland Tool
( can't remember which one.), and a standard "C" frame rivet unit. I still
don't have a pneumatic squeezer.
I probably won't buy one although I would buy one if the urge appears but
it is really unnecessary although I am sure you will get a lot builders
telling you it is a must item but that is the nature of tools. You cannot
complete the project without the manual squeezer, the rivet gun and a good
selection of dies and bucking bars so put your money there first. Most of
your rivets will be 3/32" which can be set very easily with almost
anything. The 1/8" rivets take a little "oomph" to set but it is not all
that bad. Rather than spend $300 on a pneumatic squeezer buy a right angle
drill which really comes in handy during later fuselage work. In addition
to these tools, I have a belt sander, bench grinder with a 6" Scotchbrite
wheel, a band saw, and a drill press. BTW I have used three hand
squeezers, an Avery which I own, a "Tatco" and another unknown brand...the
one I prefer is the Tatco as it is a fine, well built tool, even though it
is a simple squeezer, it does operate very smoothly and squeezes with
little effort. It's like comparing Milwaukee or Dewalt to Black & Decker.
Dick DeCramer
N500DD RV6 Slide
0-320 Hart. C/S prop
2 yrs and 160 hrs of great flying, Keep working!!!
diesel@rconnect.com
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