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1. 02:33 AM - Re: Advice For The Newby (Bill & Debbie Settle)
2. 02:36 AM - Re: Advice for the Newby (Bill & Debbie Settle)
3. 05:10 AM - Squeezer technique- was New Builder (glen matejcek)
4. 05:59 AM - Re: Advice For The Newby (Frank Stringham)
5. 08:25 PM - Re: Squeezer technique- was New Builder (Bart Filipiak)
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| Subject: | Advice For The Newby |
--> RV8-List message posted by: Bill & Debbie Settle <billsettle@peoplepc.com>
Thanks Jeff, I appreciate it.
Bill.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeff Preou <jeff@preou.com>
>Sent: Sep 7, 2006 10:08 PM
>To: rv8-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV8-List: Advice For The Newby
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>--> RV8-List message posted by: "Jeff Preou" <jeff@preou.com>
>
>I went manual (no motor to fail or anything), but then I read about a
>gadget that will operate the flaps and the trim auto-magically together.
>Cool :-) Very handy; no re-trimming when deploying flaps on approach, or
>hauling them up during a go around. I *might* convert: haven't decided
>yet.
>
>RE: tools. If you don't get the pneumatic, do yourself a BIG favour and
>get a DRDT-2; actually, do the tail first, *then* get the DRDT-2 before
>the wing skins come along. You'll appreciate it much more then. I
>guarantee it will be a decision you won't regret!
>
>Cheers,
>--
>Jeff Preou
>Hamilton, New Zealand
>
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>Sent: Friday, 8 September 2006 12:32 p.m.
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>Subject: RV8-List: Advice For The Newby
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>--> RV8-List message posted by: <billsettle@peoplepc.com>
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>Thanks guys for the info on the pneumatic vs main squeeze. I ordered
>the main squeeze today. I had not thought about having one hand free to
>hold parts. That's something to think about... Then again, I'm sure
>the little wifey will be there the whole way to hold parts for me...
>right?
>
>Another question please, if I may... I'm filling out my order form for
>my tail kit as we speak. Do I want electric trim or manual? I just
>sold my Luscombe and it didn't know anything about electrically operated
>control surfaces.
>
>Thanks,
>Bill Settle.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Advice for the Newby |
--> RV8-List message posted by: Bill & Debbie Settle <billsettle@peoplepc.com>
Ah.. The closest thing to an AP that I had planned on was my bride. But then again,
that's why I'm putting her behind me instead of beside me...
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>From: Bart Filipiak <bfilipiak@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Sep 8, 2006 1:05 AM
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>Subject: Re: RV8-List: Advice for the Newby
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>--> RV8-List message posted by: Bart Filipiak <bfilipiak@yahoo.com>
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>Another thing to consider regarding the trim
>selection. There is an autopilot, I believe a TruTrak
>model, that will automatically adjust your elevator
>trim while maintaining, and / or while climbind or
>descending at a desired rate.
>
>Increases your servo longevity, and makes life a
>little easier on you. (Assuming there will be an AP
>in there!)
>
>--- Bill & Debbie Settle <billsettle@peoplepc.com>
>wrote:
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>> --> RV8-List message posted by: Bill & Debbie Settle
>> <billsettle@peoplepc.com>
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>> Gentlemen,
>>
>> I sincerely appreciate everyone's input on the tool
>> questions I had. I think for now, I'll buy the Main
>> Squeeze and see how that works before deciding what
>> to do about a pneumatic squeezer.
>>
>> Thanks again,
>> Bill Settle
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| Subject: | Squeezer technique- was New Builder |
--> RV8-List message posted by: "glen matejcek" <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
Hi All-
> ...The pneumatic squeezer permits one hand to hold parts...
>
> ... it also provides consistency with the appearance of the numerous
rivets that is difficult
> to achieve with a hand squeezer.
Well, this squeezer thread has got me curious as to how people are using
their hand squeezers and having difficulties. I only have experience with
one pneumatic squeezer, but it most definitely required two hands to
operate, and none on the parts. It was a large, heavy unit.
When using my Avery hand squeezer, I initially adjust it so that with the
dies just closed on an unset rivet, the handles form about a 20 degree
angle. This allows me to hold the squeezer (choked up) in one hand and the
parts in the other. I squeeze the rivet just enough to hold the parts in
the proper relationship. I can then grip switch, if desired, to something
more comfortable. I incrementally adjust the ram until the rivet is set
correctly when the squeezer is operated to the stop. Thus, all the rivets
in a series come out with perfect consistency, and with no extra effort.
The only time I've had an issue using the hand squeezer was in mounting rod
end adaptors into the control system tubing. I believe the cleating I
experienced would have been the same with a pneumatic unit, and the problem
was rectified by putting the part in a padded vise.
I hope this is of use-
gm
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| Subject: | Advice For The Newby |
--> RV8-List message posted by: "Frank Stringham" <fstringham@hotmail.com>
Bill
I really lke manual trim But did go electric in my seven. I too would like
to hear from those that are now flying to get their take on which is best.
Bill, I would strongly recommend to you the pneumatic. Unform rivets, ease
of use, some parts will only allow for a small unit to get at the
rivet................Fo many parts my vise is used as a second/third/fourth
hand when riveting with the pneumatic.
I went without for a while but FINALLY gave in and bought the air
squeezer....very little $$$$$$$$$$$$ for the results. Maybe someone in your
area has one and will allow you a demo squeeze.
Frank @ SGU and SLC wiring/fwf
>From: <billsettle@peoplepc.com>
>To: <rv8-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RV8-List: Advice For The Newby
>Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 20:31:37 -0400
>
>--> RV8-List message posted by: <billsettle@peoplepc.com>
>
>Thanks guys for the info on the pneumatic vs main squeeze. I ordered the
>main squeeze today. I had not thought about having one hand free to hold
>parts. That's something to think about... Then again, I'm sure the little
>wifey will be there the whole way to hold parts for me... right?
>
>Another question please, if I may... I'm filling out my order form for my
>tail kit as we speak. Do I want electric trim or manual? I just sold my
>Luscombe and it didn't know anything about electrically operated control
>surfaces.
>
>Thanks,
>Bill Settle.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Squeezer technique- was New Builder |
--> RV8-List message posted by: Bart Filipiak <bfilipiak@yahoo.com>
I use both. The yokes are interchangeable too. I got
them from Avery and use the pneumatic quite easily
with one hand. It is big and heavy, and my arm will
start to get tired after about 100 rivets, but I do
find it quite simple. It does take sonme getting used
to though, finessing the thumb lever in all attitudes,
upside down, backwards, left handed, using different
fingers, etc.
There are times though, that it just won't fit, and
the hand squeezer fits nicely. I then have to use the
hand squeezer, where my arms are tired after about 5
rivets. You do need to be extra cautious when using
the hand squeezer. Be sure the rivet is sitting in
the hole properly before you squeeze it enough to lock
it into place.
I reach for the pnuematic first. If it doesn't fit,
I try the hand held. If it won't work, I consider the
C-frame. After that, I weigh other options depending
on the situation.
Best of luck to all,
Bart Filipiak
Empennage done, Left wing nearly done.
--- glen matejcek <aerobubba@earthlink.net> wrote:
> --> RV8-List message posted by: "glen matejcek"
> <aerobubba@earthlink.net>
>
> Hi All-
>
> > ...The pneumatic squeezer permits one hand to hold
> parts...
> >
> > ... it also provides consistency with the
> appearance of the numerous
> rivets that is difficult
> > to achieve with a hand squeezer.
>
> Well, this squeezer thread has got me curious as to
> how people are using
> their hand squeezers and having difficulties. I
> only have experience with
> one pneumatic squeezer, but it most definitely
> required two hands to
> operate, and none on the parts. It was a large,
> heavy unit.
>
> When using my Avery hand squeezer, I initially
> adjust it so that with the
> dies just closed on an unset rivet, the handles form
> about a 20 degree
> angle. This allows me to hold the squeezer (choked
> up) in one hand and the
> parts in the other. I squeeze the rivet just enough
> to hold the parts in
> the proper relationship. I can then grip switch, if
> desired, to something
> more comfortable. I incrementally adjust the ram
> until the rivet is set
> correctly when the squeezer is operated to the stop.
> Thus, all the rivets
> in a series come out with perfect consistency, and
> with no extra effort.
>
> The only time I've had an issue using the hand
> squeezer was in mounting rod
> end adaptors into the control system tubing. I
> believe the cleating I
> experienced would have been the same with a
> pneumatic unit, and the problem
> was rectified by putting the part in a padded vise.
>
>
> I hope this is of use-
>
> gm
>
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
>
> Web Forums!
>
>
> Admin.
>
>
>
>
>
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