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1. 06:14 AM - Re: New Start (William Prestin)
2. 06:34 AM - Re: New Start (Dan Beadle)
3. 08:04 AM - Re: New Start (Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training)
4. 08:06 AM - Re: New Start (Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training)
5. 08:29 AM - Re: New Start (Don McNamara)
6. 08:50 AM - Re: New Start (Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training)
7. 10:10 AM - Re: New Start (Don McNamara)
8. 10:16 AM - Re: New Start (JOHN STARN)
9. 10:55 AM - Re: New Start (Dick DeCramer)
10. 11:46 AM - Re: New Start (Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training)
11. 11:48 AM - Re: New Start (Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training)
12. 11:54 AM - Re: New Start (Robert Sather)
13. 12:08 PM - Re: New Start (Tom Schad)
14. 12:18 PM - Re: New Start (Steve Gregory)
15. 01:53 PM - Re: New Start (Jeff Moreau)
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Hi Stephanie,
I just joined the list. Thinking about building an RV8.
I did a lot of work on the KC & EC-135's as a Com/Nav Specialist late
90's early 2000. I'm out in the civilian world now running Co-Gen power
plants. I bet Baron is flying a lot of hours with the current Iraq
situation. Hope it all goes well.
I'm hoping to check out Van's production facility when we head out to
Oregon for my wife's law school reunion next year. I wonder how close it
is to Eugene?
I gather from some of the group emails that it is good to have a small
metal cutting band saw, drill press, and belt/disc sander for the
project. Are there any other power tools that make the construction go
faster and smoother?
Thanks,
Bill
Michigan
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephanie Marshall
To: rv8-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 5:17 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Hi Gail,
He is pilot for KC-135s here at McConnell....
Steph
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From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:57 PM
To: rv8-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Hi Steph,
Thanks for the info. Where are you guys stationed? What does Baron
do/fly?
I teach at the AF Weapons School at Nellis in Las Vegas. Spent 26yrs
as an AF pilot - T-33, T-38, F-4, F-5, F-15 and the MiG-17 and MiG-21.
Later. Going to Cessna this weekend for a CAP G1000 checkout. Should
be fun if the wx cooperaties.
Gail Peck
aka
Gaillard.peck.ctr@nellis.af.mil
nvRV8builder
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From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie
Marshall
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:38 AM
To: rv8-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
No problem!! We ran into the classic builder's block $$$$$$$$ and
time (Baron is an Active Duty Air Force pilot).
We are saving up to buy the wings and will be placing our order
hopefully in the next 2-3 weeks. We are also putting money in the kitty
for the QB fuselage. When the wings are ready we are planning a trip
home to Oregon to see family and pick them up.
If anyone wants us to pick up their wings, fuselage etc. let me know.
If you will help with gas we will be more than happy to add your stuff
to the trailer.
Steph
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From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Moreau
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 1:02 PM
To: rv8-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start
Why didn't you ever continue the construction on your kit?
Just wondering.
On Jan 12, 2007, at 11:29 AM, Stephanie Marshall wrote:
Hi there New Guy (since I am not sure of your name)
We tried to catch all the steps on our RV8 here www.rv-8.info ....if
you have any specific questions shoot me a line and I will TRY to help.
This was Baron's project for the most part though and I was just another
set of hands.
Stephanie
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From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM
To: rv8-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV8-List: New Start
Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set, inventory is
complete!
Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the HS main spar
reinforcements.
Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I know
nothing! Any hot tips as I get started?
nvrv8builder
http://forums.matronics.com - The RV8-List Email Forum -
class="Apple-converted-space"> -->
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WEB FORUMS - class="Apple-converted-space"> -->
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I am happy with my RV8 project - we just joined the wings this weekend.
Vans makes the simplest and safest products out there (safety driven by the
conservative design and the thousands of flying samples).
The key is to look at your mission. I wanted spacious, economical fast and
aerobatic. All for under $10K. So, getting real, I set my priorities:
safety, something I could accomplish, close to 200K (speed of my twin), fun
over comfort, all glass (could be in any design). Then go match designs to
your expectations. The RV8 is a compromize for aerobatics - but it is much
more useful than a C150 Aerobat - you can do all the same aerobatics, but
with the bubble canopy and performance it feels like a fighter. And you can
still do cross countries at 185+K
I keep buying tools. Some have proven to be a waste, others are
surprizingly useful. The basic tool kits from Avery Tools, and others, give
you most all you need. I have a bandsaw - used it once. A hand hacksaw is
better for me. I bought an 8" bench sander (combo belt, disk). It was $70
- probably the most useful tool I have. Bought a rivet squeezer on eBay.
After I repaired it, it cost more than a new one. And we seldom use it.
Now, I wish I had a 90 degree drill when we mounted the empennage, but I got
by without it.
One thing is certain, you can never have too many cleco pliers, steel rules,
and blue sharpie pens.
Vans tour is pleasant, but you will learn more cruising this list and
linking to some of the other sites, like Kevin Hortons or at
www.kitlogpro.com
Dan
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From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Prestin
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:12 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start
Hi Stephanie,
I just joined the list. Thinking about building an RV8.
I did a lot of work on the KC & EC-135's as a Com/Nav Specialist late 90's
early 2000. I'm out in the civilian world now running Co-Gen power plants. I
bet Baron is flying a lot of hours with the current Iraq situation. Hope it
all goes well.
I'm hoping to check out Van's production facility when we head out to Oregon
for my wife's law school reunion next year. I wonder how close it is to
Eugene?
I gather from some of the group emails that it is good to have a small metal
cutting band saw, drill press, and belt/disc sander for the project. Are
there any other power tools that make the construction go faster and
smoother?
Thanks,
Bill
Michigan
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephanie Marshall <mailto:smarshall@netsystems.net>
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 5:17 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Hi Gail,
He is pilot for KC-135s here at McConnell....
Steph
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From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard R
Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:57 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Hi Steph,
Thanks for the info. Where are you guys stationed? What does Baron do/fly?
I teach at the AF Weapons School at Nellis in Las Vegas. Spent 26yrs as an
AF pilot - T-33, T-38, F-4, F-5, F-15 and the MiG-17 and MiG-21.
Later. Going to Cessna this weekend for a CAP G1000 checkout. Should be fun
if the wx cooperaties.
Gail Peck
aka
Gaillard.peck.ctr@nellis.af.mil
nvRV8builder
_____
From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie Marshall
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:38 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
No problem!! We ran into the classic builder's block $$$$$$$$ and time
(Baron is an Active Duty Air Force pilot).
We are saving up to buy the wings and will be placing our order hopefully in
the next 2-3 weeks. We are also putting money in the kitty for the QB
fuselage. When the wings are ready we are planning a trip home to Oregon to
see family and pick them up.
If anyone wants us to pick up their wings, fuselage etc. let me know. If
you will help with gas we will be more than happy to add your stuff to the
trailer.
Steph
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From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Moreau
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start
Why didn't you ever continue the construction on your kit?
Just wondering.
On Jan 12, 2007, at 11:29 AM, Stephanie Marshall wrote:
Hi there New Guy (since I am not sure of your name)
We tried to catch all the steps on our RV8 here <http://www.rv-8.info/>
www.rv-8.info ....if you have any specific questions shoot me a line and I
will TRY to help. This was Baron's project for the most part though and I
was just another set of hands.
Stephanie
_____
From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard R
Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM
Subject: RV8-List: New Start
Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set, inventory is
complete!
Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the HS main spar
reinforcements.
Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I know nothing!
Any hot tips as I get started?
nvrv8builder
<http://forums.matronics.com> http://forums.matronics.com
- The RV8-List Email Forum - class="Apple-converted-space"> -->
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List - NEW MATRONICS WEB
FORUMS - class="Apple-converted-space"> -->
<http://forums.matronics.com> http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics.com/
Navigator?RV8-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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Thanks for the tip Stephanie. I have a band saw in my shop but haven't
used it yet on this project.
I am just getting started. Last night I fitted the reinforcement bars
into one side of the stab main spar channel and started the match drill
process with the #30 bits and then cleocoed the two parts together.
One question. The metal finishing instructions talk about applying
primer to any AL piece that has the protective finish removed. Breaking
the edges of the reinforcement and then finishing it with 400 grit
sandpaper removes that protective coat. Did you guys primer those
reinforcement bars before putting them in place?
Just curious. If anybody else has guidance, please chime in.
Gail peck
Aka Evil
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From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie
Marshall
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:15 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
I just got off the phone with Baron (who is in the United Arab Emirates)
and he wanted me to tell you BANDSAW!!! You don't need an expensive one
per say, just one that will cut metal. The tin snips tend to deform the
metal he said....we got our bandsaw at Home Depot for ~$100...I don't
remember the brand but it isn't a fancy one.
Stephanie
www.rv-8.info
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM
Subject: RV8-List: New Start
Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set, inventory is
complete!
Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the HS main spar
reinforcements.
Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I know
nothing! Any hot tips as I get started?
nvrv8builder
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Made it as far as Houston on this trip to Independence KS for the G1000
checkout.
3 inches of ice on the runway reported by the Cessna people. I came home
as it appeared unworkable this week.
Gail peck
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:36 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Wow the wx look really bad there this weekend. We are scheduled to go
commercial to Tulsa and van up to Independence on Sun. If the wx
guessers are even close, it ain't gunna happen that way.
Signing off for about 10 days. Enjoyed the dialogue. Good luck with
getting the wings on order.
gaio
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie
Marshall
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:18 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Hi Gail,
He is pilot for KC-135s here at McConnell......
Steph
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:57 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Hi Steph,
Thanks for the info. Where are you guys stationed? What does Baron
do/fly?
I teach at the AF Weapons School at Nellis in Las Vegas. Spent 26yrs as
an AF pilot - T-33, T-38, F-4, F-5, F-15 and the MiG-17 and MiG-21.
Later. Going to Cessna this weekend for a CAP G1000 checkout. Should be
fun if the wx cooperaties.
Gail Peck
aka
Gaillard.peck.ctr@nellis.af.mil
nvRV8builder
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie
Marshall
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:38 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
No problem!! We ran into the classic builder's block $$$$$$$$ and time
(Baron is an Active Duty Air Force pilot).
We are saving up to buy the wings and will be placing our order
hopefully in the next 2-3 weeks. We are also putting money in the kitty
for the QB fuselage. When the wings are ready we are planning a trip
home to Oregon to see family and pick them up.
If anyone wants us to pick up their wings, fuselage etc. let me know.
If you will help with gas we will be more than happy to add your stuff
to the trailer.
Steph
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Moreau
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start
Why didn't you ever continue the construction on your kit?
Just wondering.
On Jan 12, 2007, at 11:29 AM, Stephanie Marshall wrote:
Hi there New Guy (since I am not sure of your name)
We tried to catch all the steps on our RV8 here www.rv-8.info
<http://www.rv-8.info/> ....if you have any specific questions shoot me
a line and I will TRY to help. This was Baron's project for the most
part though and I was just another set of hands.
Stephanie
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM
To: rv8-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV8-List: New Start
Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set,
inventory is complete!
Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the HS main
spar reinforcements.
Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I
know nothing! Any hot tips as I get started?
nvrv8builder
http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>
- The RV8-List Email Forum -
class="Apple-converted-space"> -->
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
<http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List> - NEW
MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - class="Apple-converted-space"> -->
http://forums.matronics.com <http://forums.matronics.com>
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Evil, you just opened the proverbial can of worms ... PRIMER!! :-)
-- Don McNamara
N8RV
----- Original Message -----
From: Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
To: rv8-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:03 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Thanks for the tip Stephanie. I have a band saw in my shop but haven't
used it yet on this project.
I am just getting started. Last night I fitted the reinforcement bars
into one side of the stab main spar channel and started the match drill
process with the #30 bits and then cleocoed the two parts together.
One question. The metal finishing instructions talk about applying
primer to any AL piece that has the protective finish removed. Breaking
the edges of the reinforcement and then finishing it with 400 grit
sandpaper removes that protective coat. Did you guys primer those
reinforcement bars before putting them in place?
Just curious. If anybody else has guidance, please chime in.
Gail peck
Aka Evil
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From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie
Marshall
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:15 PM
To: rv8-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
I just got off the phone with Baron (who is in the United Arab
Emirates) and he wanted me to tell you BANDSAW!!! You don't need an
expensive one per say, just one that will cut metal. The tin snips tend
to deform the metal he said..we got our bandsaw at Home Depot for
~$100.I don't remember the brand but it isn't a fancy one.
Stephanie
www.rv-8.info
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From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM
To: rv8-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV8-List: New Start
Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set, inventory is
complete!
Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the HS main spar
reinforcements.
Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I know
nothing! Any hot tips as I get started?
nvrv8builder
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Thanks for the tips Bill.
I got the band saw you described and put the metal blade on it. Works
great.
Love buying tools so will pick up one of the belt sanders.
Gail Peck
Aka evil
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From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WILLIAM AGSTER
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start
I use the Ryobi band saw from Home Depot. DO NOT use the blade it comes
with, find a blade with more teeth, at least 15 teeth per inch. It make
cutting thin aluminum very quick and easy, especially the stiffeners in
the ailerons and rudder. Also a great thing to have is the Ryobi 5 inch
disc/36 inch belt sander ($89) at Home Depot. It makes quick work of
straightening the long trimmed edges of the stiffeners and rounding off
the edges. Get 120 or 150 belts and get several grits for the disc. It
is invaluable. Also used the belt sander to get the long edges of the
rudder bottom equal and smooth after trimming close to the finely
scribed trim line.
Bill Agster
RV-7A #72556
N174BJ (reserved)
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephanie Marshall <mailto:smarshall@netsystems.net>
To: rv8-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:14 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
I just got off the phone with Baron (who is in the United Arab
Emirates) and he wanted me to tell you BANDSAW!!! You don't need an
expensive one per say, just one that will cut metal. The tin snips tend
to deform the metal he said..we got our bandsaw at Home Depot for
~$100.I don't remember the brand but it isn't a fancy one.
Stephanie
www.rv-8.info
________________________________
From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM
To: rv8-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV8-List: New Start
Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set,
inventory is complete!
Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the HS main
spar reinforcements.
Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I
know nothing! Any hot tips as I get started?
nvrv8builder
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics
c
om/Navigator?RV8-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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Gail, I agree about the bandsaw. Never owned one before I started this
project, but I've used it a LOT. Cuts through aluminum like a hot knife
through butter! I'd hate to do this without my bandsaw ...
I used a pneumatic squeezer a bunch, too. Worth buying a new one?
Don't know. I bought mine used at Oshkosh and it's worked great.
-- Don McNamara
N8RV
----- Original Message -----
From: Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
To: rv8-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:49 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Thanks for the tips Bill.
I got the band saw you described and put the metal blade on it. Works
great.
Love buying tools so will pick up one of the belt sanders.
Gail Peck
Aka evil
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From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WILLIAM AGSTER
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 6:05 PM
To: rv8-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start
I use the Ryobi band saw from Home Depot. DO NOT use the blade it
comes with, find a blade with more teeth, at least 15 teeth per inch.
It make cutting thin aluminum very quick and easy, especially the
stiffeners in the ailerons and rudder. Also a great thing to have is
the Ryobi 5 inch disc/36 inch belt sander ($89) at Home Depot. It makes
quick work of straightening the long trimmed edges of the stiffeners and
rounding off the edges. Get 120 or 150 belts and get several grits for
the disc. It is invaluable. Also used the belt sander to get the long
edges of the rudder bottom equal and smooth after trimming close to the
finely scribed trim line.
Bill Agster
RV-7A #72556
N174BJ (reserved)
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephanie Marshall
To: rv8-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:14 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
I just got off the phone with Baron (who is in the United Arab
Emirates) and he wanted me to tell you BANDSAW!!! You don't need an
expensive one per say, just one that will cut metal. The tin snips tend
to deform the metal he said..we got our bandsaw at Home Depot for
~$100.I don't remember the brand but it isn't a fancy one.
Stephanie
www.rv-8.info
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From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM
To: rv8-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV8-List: New Start
Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set, inventory is
complete!
Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the HS main spar
reinforcements.
Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I know
nothing! Any hot tips as I get started?
nvrv8builder
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics
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"I wanted spacious, economical fast and aerobatic. All for under $10K.
So, getting real, I set my priorities: safety, something I could
accomplish, close to 200K (speed of my twin),"
Can we assume that you meant $100K (100 hundred thousand) and 200 knots.
If ya'll have built an RV-8 for 10K...can you make me one too or show my
how.
Lets see.....a 200k twin (200 hundred thousand)......well it's a twin
but don't think even the SR-71 is that fast. Have great day. 8*)
KABONG Do Not Archive this sorry attempt at a wee bit of humor.....
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Peck & other new starters
All 6061 aluminum should be primed as it has no alclad coating which 2024 sheet
has so it will corrode easily. This should be mentioned in Van's Builders' Manual
and in the kits it includes all bar and extruded angle. Some builders feel
the alclad has sufficient protection which is the purpose of the clad so they
do not prime the 2024 sheet, however, I do lightly prime it. The aluminum
should have an inked identification numbers top help determine what the material
is.
I have a large bandsaw which was used extensively in building an RV4 & an RV6 but
I hardly used them on an RV8 tailkit since the new kits have grown more sophisticated.
Yesterday, I moved the wing kit into the shop and noticed some more
cutting will be required as it contained proportionally more raw sheet & bar
stock than the tailkit had meaning more fabrication. Perhaps the builders farther
along on the more modern kits can advise on this.
So far, I have used 6" Scotchbrite wheel on a benchgrinder, 1" Scotchbrite wheel
on a diegrinder, drill, deburring tool in a battery operated screwdriver, 3X
Rivet gun, bench sander, hand rivet squeezer, assorted files, tin snips, "c"
frame rivet tool, and a touchup spray gun for priming. I also did use normal
household tools most people already have but only marginally used the drill press
& bandsaw to date. With this I totally built one aircraft in the past and
totally completed the RV8 tailkit in 130 hrs. over 2 months.
My advice. Just build tools you have until a need arises. Keep the cash in a slush
fund then buy based on actual building problems as most are readily available.
I still don't have a now popular pneumatic squeezer but I do have 2 right
angle drills and still have the pneumatic unit way down on my future shopping
list. Keep in mind your task is to build an airplane, not to build a workshop
even though a balance will needs to be struck here. Keep working as they
fly just beautifully.
Dick DeCramer
RV6 N500DD 200hrs
RV8 wing kit
Northfield, MN
----- Original Message -----
From: Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: 1/16/2007 10:32:27 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Thanks for the tip Stephanie. I have a band saw in my shop but havent used it yet
on this project.
I am just getting started. Last night I fitted the reinforcement bars into one
side of the stab main spar channel and started the match drill process with the
#30 bits and then cleocoed the two parts together.
One question. The metal finishing instructions talk about applying primer to any
AL piece that has the protective finish removed. Breaking the edges of the reinforcement
and then finishing it with 400 grit sandpaper removes that protective
coat. Did you guys primer those reinforcement bars before putting them in
place?
Just curious. If anybody else has guidance, please chime in.
Gail peck
Aka Evil
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Thanks Don.
Just bought a squeezer on EBay. Still need to add a couple dies to make
it functional. Seems to work great from what I can tell.
Gail
Aka evil
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From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McNamara
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start
Gail, I agree about the bandsaw. Never owned one before I started this
project, but I've used it a LOT. Cuts through aluminum like a hot knife
through butter! I'd hate to do this without my bandsaw ...
I used a pneumatic squeezer a bunch, too. Worth buying a new one?
Don't know. I bought mine used at Oshkosh and it's worked great.
-- Don McNamara
N8RV
----- Original Message -----
From: Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
<mailto:gaillard.peck.ctr@nellis.af.mil>
To: rv8-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:49 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Thanks for the tips Bill.
I got the band saw you described and put the metal blade on it.
Works great.
Love buying tools so will pick up one of the belt sanders.
Gail Peck
Aka evil
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[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WILLIAM AGSTER
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 6:05 PM
To: rv8-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start
I use the Ryobi band saw from Home Depot. DO NOT use the blade
it comes with, find a blade with more teeth, at least 15 teeth per inch.
It make cutting thin aluminum very quick and easy, especially the
stiffeners in the ailerons and rudder. Also a great thing to have is
the Ryobi 5 inch disc/36 inch belt sander ($89) at Home Depot. It makes
quick work of straightening the long trimmed edges of the stiffeners and
rounding off the edges. Get 120 or 150 belts and get several grits for
the disc. It is invaluable. Also used the belt sander to get the long
edges of the rudder bottom equal and smooth after trimming close to the
finely scribed trim line.
Bill Agster
RV-7A #72556
N174BJ (reserved)
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephanie Marshall
<mailto:smarshall@netsystems.net>
To: rv8-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:14 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
I just got off the phone with Baron (who is in the
United Arab Emirates) and he wanted me to tell you BANDSAW!!! You don't
need an expensive one per say, just one that will cut metal. The tin
snips tend to deform the metal he said..we got our bandsaw at Home Depot
for ~$100.I don't remember the brand but it isn't a fancy one.
Stephanie
www.rv-8.info
________________________________
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[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM
To: rv8-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV8-List: New Start
Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set,
inventory is complete!
Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the
HS main spar reinforcements.
Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely
admit I know nothing! Any hot tips as I get started?
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Great tips Dick. Thanks for taking the time to share your experience.
Gail peck
Aka evil
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[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick DeCramer
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:55 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Peck & other new starters
All 6061 aluminum should be primed as it has no alclad coating which
2024 sheet has so it will corrode easily. This should be mentioned in
Van's Builders' Manual and in the kits it includes all bar and extruded
angle. Some builders feel the alclad has sufficient protection which is
the purpose of the clad so they do not prime the 2024 sheet, however, I
do lightly prime it. The aluminum should have an inked identification
numbers top help determine what the material is.
I have a large bandsaw which was used extensively in building an RV4 &
an RV6 but I hardly used them on an RV8 tailkit since the new kits have
grown more sophisticated. Yesterday, I moved the wing kit into the shop
and noticed some more cutting will be required as it contained
proportionally more raw sheet & bar stock than the tailkit had meaning
more fabrication. Perhaps the builders farther along on the more modern
kits can advise on this.
So far, I have used 6" Scotchbrite wheel on a benchgrinder, 1"
Scotchbrite wheel on a diegrinder, drill, deburring tool in a battery
operated screwdriver, 3X Rivet gun, bench sander, hand rivet squeezer,
assorted files, tin snips, "c" frame rivet tool, and a touchup spray gun
for priming. I also did use normal household tools most people already
have but only marginally used the drill press & bandsaw to date. With
this I totally built one aircraft in the past and totally completed the
RV8 tailkit in 130 hrs. over 2 months.
My advice. Just build tools you have until a need arises. Keep the cash
in a slush fund then buy based on actual building problems as most are
readily available. I still don't have a now popular pneumatic squeezer
but I do have 2 right angle drills and still have the pneumatic unit way
down on my future shopping list. Keep in mind your task is to build an
airplane, not to build a workshop even though a balance will needs to be
struck here. Keep working as they fly just beautifully.
Dick DeCramer
RV6 N500DD 200hrs
RV8 wing kit
Northfield, MN
----- Original Message -----
From: Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
<mailto:gaillard.peck.ctr@nellis.af.mil>
To: rv8-list@matronics.com
Sent: 1/16/2007 10:32:27 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Thanks for the tip Stephanie. I have a band saw in my shop but
haven't used it yet on this project.
I am just getting started. Last night I fitted the reinforcement
bars into one side of the stab main spar channel and started the match
drill process with the #30 bits and then cleocoed the two parts
together.
One question. The metal finishing instructions talk about
applying primer to any AL piece that has the protective finish removed.
Breaking the edges of the reinforcement and then finishing it with 400
grit sandpaper removes that protective coat. Did you guys primer those
reinforcement bars before putting them in place?
Just curious. If anybody else has guidance, please chime in.
Gail peck
Aka Evil
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John, I'm slow but that would be 200 knots
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From: JOHN STARN
To: rv8-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start
"I wanted spacious, economical fast and aerobatic. All for under
$10K. So, getting real, I set my priorities: safety, something I could
accomplish, close to 200K (speed of my twin),"
Can we assume that you meant $100K (100 hundred thousand) and 200
knots. If ya'll have built an RV-8 for 10K...can you make me one too or
show my how.
Lets see.....a 200k twin (200 hundred thousand)......well it's a twin
but don't think even the SR-71 is that fast. Have great day. 8*)
KABONG Do Not Archive this sorry attempt at a wee bit of humor.....
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I finished my RV-8 QB a little over a year ago and have been enjoying
flying it ever since. One of the handiest things in my shop for making
those small parts is a Sears bench mounted one inch belt sander. I
used it to smooth edges, round corners etc. A 90 degree head drill was
also useful at times. I have a 45 degree head drill and found it wasn't
needed and hard to use at times. I didn't buy a pneumatic squeezer, but
I think it would have been nice to have had although not a necessity.
Primer on everything is good, especially on the non alclad material. I
primed the entire inside of the horizontal and vertical stabilizers as
well as the elevator and rudder. Pretty hard to inspect for corrosion
in the future. (A common problem with the Swift for the same reason)
----- Original Message -----
From: Dick DeCramer
To: rv8-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 12:54 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Peck & other new starters
All 6061 aluminum should be primed as it has no alclad coating which
2024 sheet has so it will corrode easily. This should be mentioned in
Van's Builders' Manual and in the kits it includes all bar and extruded
angle. Some builders feel the alclad has sufficient protection which is
the purpose of the clad so they do not prime the 2024 sheet, however, I
do lightly prime it. The aluminum should have an inked identification
numbers top help determine what the material is.
I have a large bandsaw which was used extensively in building an RV4 &
an RV6 but I hardly used them on an RV8 tailkit since the new kits have
grown more sophisticated. Yesterday, I moved the wing kit into the shop
and noticed some more cutting will be required as it contained
proportionally more raw sheet & bar stock than the tailkit had meaning
more fabrication. Perhaps the builders farther along on the more modern
kits can advise on this.
So far, I have used 6" Scotchbrite wheel on a benchgrinder, 1"
Scotchbrite wheel on a diegrinder, drill, deburring tool in a battery
operated screwdriver, 3X Rivet gun, bench sander, hand rivet squeezer,
assorted files, tin snips, "c" frame rivet tool, and a touchup spray gun
for priming. I also did use normal household tools most people already
have but only marginally used the drill press & bandsaw to date. With
this I totally built one aircraft in the past and totally completed the
RV8 tailkit in 130 hrs. over 2 months.
My advice. Just build tools you have until a need arises. Keep the
cash in a slush fund then buy based on actual building problems as most
are readily available. I still don't have a now popular pneumatic
squeezer but I do have 2 right angle drills and still have the pneumatic
unit way down on my future shopping list. Keep in mind your task is to
build an airplane, not to build a workshop even though a balance will
needs to be struck here. Keep working as they fly just beautifully.
Dick DeCramer
RV6 N500DD 200hrs
RV8 wing kit
Northfield, MN
----- Original Message -----
From: Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
To: rv8-list@matronics.com
Sent: 1/16/2007 10:32:27 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Thanks for the tip Stephanie. I have a band saw in my shop but
haven't used it yet on this project.
I am just getting started. Last night I fitted the reinforcement
bars into one side of the stab main spar channel and started the match
drill process with the #30 bits and then cleocoed the two parts
together.
One question. The metal finishing instructions talk about applying
primer to any AL piece that has the protective finish removed. Breaking
the edges of the reinforcement and then finishing it with 400 grit
sandpaper removes that protective coat. Did you guys primer those
reinforcement bars before putting them in place?
Just curious. If anybody else has guidance, please chime in.
Gail peck
Aka Evil
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Wait! Did somebody say PRIMER?
Steve Gregory
RV-8QB
Livermore, CA
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From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McNamara
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start
Evil, you just opened the proverbial can of worms ... PRIMER!! :-)
-- Don McNamara
N8RV
----- Original Message -----
From: Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD
<mailto:gaillard.peck.ctr@nellis.af.mil> Training
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:03 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Thanks for the tip Stephanie. I have a band saw in my shop but haven't used
it yet on this project.
I am just getting started. Last night I fitted the reinforcement bars into
one side of the stab main spar channel and started the match drill process
with the #30 bits and then cleocoed the two parts together.
One question. The metal finishing instructions talk about applying primer to
any AL piece that has the protective finish removed. Breaking the edges of
the reinforcement and then finishing it with 400 grit sandpaper removes that
protective coat. Did you guys primer those reinforcement bars before putting
them in place?
Just curious. If anybody else has guidance, please chime in.
Gail peck
Aka Evil
_____
From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie Marshall
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:15 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
I just got off the phone with Baron (who is in the United Arab Emirates) and
he wanted me to tell you BANDSAW!!! You don't need an expensive one per say,
just one that will cut metal. The tin snips tend to deform the metal he
said..we got our bandsaw at Home Depot for ~$100.I don't remember the brand
but it isn't a fancy one.
Stephanie
www.rv-8.info
_____
From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard R
Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM
Subject: RV8-List: New Start
Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set, inventory is
complete!
Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the HS main spar
reinforcements.
Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I know nothing!
Any hot tips as I get started?
nvrv8builder
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics.com/
Navigator?RV8-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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I primed mine before I riveted the piece together. When they talk of
protective coating I believe that they are referring to the alclad.
Anthing that isn't alclad should have a coat of primer to protect it.
On Jan 16, 2007, at 11:03 AM, Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
wrote:
> Thanks for the tip Stephanie. I have a band saw in my shop but
> haven=92t used it yet on this project.
>
>
> I am just getting started. Last night I fitted the reinforcement
> bars into one side of the stab main spar channel and started the
> match drill process with the #30 bits and then cleocoed the two
> parts together.
>
>
> One question. The metal finishing instructions talk about applying
> primer to any AL piece that has the protective finish removed.
> Breaking the edges of the reinforcement and then finishing it with
> 400 grit sandpaper removes that protective coat. Did you guys
> primer those reinforcement bars before putting them in place?
>
>
> Just curious. If anybody else has guidance, please chime in.
>
>
> Gail peck
>
>
> Aka Evil
>
>
> From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie Marshall
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:15 PM
> To: rv8-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
>
>
> I just got off the phone with Baron (who is in the United Arab
> Emirates) and he wanted me to tell you BANDSAW!!! You don=92t need an
> expensive one per say, just one that will cut metal. The tin snips
> tend to deform the metal he said=85.we got our bandsaw at Home Depot
> for ~$100=85I don=92t remember the brand but it isn=92t a fancy one.
>
>
> Stephanie
>
> www.rv-8.info
>
>
> From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD
> Training
> Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM
> To: rv8-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV8-List: New Start
>
>
> Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set, inventory
> is complete!
>
>
> Am about to start Step 1, =93breaking=94 the edges for the HS main
spar
> reinforcements.
>
>
> Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I know
> nothing! Any hot tips as I get started?
>
>
> nvrv8builder
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
>
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