---------------------------------------------------------- RV8-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/16/07: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:14 AM - Re: New Start (William Prestin) 2. 06:34 AM - Re: New Start (Dan Beadle) 3. 08:04 AM - Re: New Start (Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training) 4. 08:06 AM - Re: New Start (Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training) 5. 08:29 AM - Re: New Start (Don McNamara) 6. 08:50 AM - Re: New Start (Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training) 7. 10:10 AM - Re: New Start (Don McNamara) 8. 10:16 AM - Re: New Start (JOHN STARN) 9. 10:55 AM - Re: New Start (Dick DeCramer) 10. 11:46 AM - Re: New Start (Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training) 11. 11:48 AM - Re: New Start (Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training) 12. 11:54 AM - Re: New Start (Robert Sather) 13. 12:08 PM - Re: New Start (Tom Schad) 14. 12:18 PM - Re: New Start (Steve Gregory) 15. 01:53 PM - Re: New Start (Jeff Moreau) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:31 AM PST US From: "William Prestin" Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start Hi Stephanie, I just joined the list. Thinking about building an RV8. I did a lot of work on the KC & EC-135's as a Com/Nav Specialist late 90's early 2000. I'm out in the civilian world now running Co-Gen power plants. I bet Baron is flying a lot of hours with the current Iraq situation. Hope it all goes well. I'm hoping to check out Van's production facility when we head out to Oregon for my wife's law school reunion next year. I wonder how close it is to Eugene? I gather from some of the group emails that it is good to have a small metal cutting band saw, drill press, and belt/disc sander for the project. Are there any other power tools that make the construction go faster and smoother? Thanks, Bill Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephanie Marshall To: rv8-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 5:17 PM Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start Hi Gail, He is pilot for KC-135s here at McConnell.... Steph ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:57 PM To: rv8-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start Hi Steph, Thanks for the info. Where are you guys stationed? What does Baron do/fly? I teach at the AF Weapons School at Nellis in Las Vegas. Spent 26yrs as an AF pilot - T-33, T-38, F-4, F-5, F-15 and the MiG-17 and MiG-21. Later. Going to Cessna this weekend for a CAP G1000 checkout. Should be fun if the wx cooperaties. Gail Peck aka Gaillard.peck.ctr@nellis.af.mil nvRV8builder ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie Marshall Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:38 AM To: rv8-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start No problem!! We ran into the classic builder's block $$$$$$$$ and time (Baron is an Active Duty Air Force pilot). We are saving up to buy the wings and will be placing our order hopefully in the next 2-3 weeks. We are also putting money in the kitty for the QB fuselage. When the wings are ready we are planning a trip home to Oregon to see family and pick them up. If anyone wants us to pick up their wings, fuselage etc. let me know. If you will help with gas we will be more than happy to add your stuff to the trailer. Steph ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Moreau Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 1:02 PM To: rv8-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start Why didn't you ever continue the construction on your kit? Just wondering. On Jan 12, 2007, at 11:29 AM, Stephanie Marshall wrote: Hi there New Guy (since I am not sure of your name) We tried to catch all the steps on our RV8 here www.rv-8.info ....if you have any specific questions shoot me a line and I will TRY to help. This was Baron's project for the most part though and I was just another set of hands. Stephanie ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM To: rv8-list@matronics.com Subject: RV8-List: New Start Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set, inventory is complete! Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the HS main spar reinforcements. Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I know nothing! Any hot tips as I get started? nvrv8builder http://forums.matronics.com - The RV8-List Email Forum - class="Apple-converted-space"> --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - class="Apple-converted-space"> --> http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:53 AM PST US From: "Dan Beadle" Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start I am happy with my RV8 project - we just joined the wings this weekend. Vans makes the simplest and safest products out there (safety driven by the conservative design and the thousands of flying samples). The key is to look at your mission. I wanted spacious, economical fast and aerobatic. All for under $10K. So, getting real, I set my priorities: safety, something I could accomplish, close to 200K (speed of my twin), fun over comfort, all glass (could be in any design). Then go match designs to your expectations. The RV8 is a compromize for aerobatics - but it is much more useful than a C150 Aerobat - you can do all the same aerobatics, but with the bubble canopy and performance it feels like a fighter. And you can still do cross countries at 185+K I keep buying tools. Some have proven to be a waste, others are surprizingly useful. The basic tool kits from Avery Tools, and others, give you most all you need. I have a bandsaw - used it once. A hand hacksaw is better for me. I bought an 8" bench sander (combo belt, disk). It was $70 - probably the most useful tool I have. Bought a rivet squeezer on eBay. After I repaired it, it cost more than a new one. And we seldom use it. Now, I wish I had a 90 degree drill when we mounted the empennage, but I got by without it. One thing is certain, you can never have too many cleco pliers, steel rules, and blue sharpie pens. Vans tour is pleasant, but you will learn more cruising this list and linking to some of the other sites, like Kevin Hortons or at www.kitlogpro.com Dan _____ From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Prestin Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:12 AM Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start Hi Stephanie, I just joined the list. Thinking about building an RV8. I did a lot of work on the KC & EC-135's as a Com/Nav Specialist late 90's early 2000. I'm out in the civilian world now running Co-Gen power plants. I bet Baron is flying a lot of hours with the current Iraq situation. Hope it all goes well. I'm hoping to check out Van's production facility when we head out to Oregon for my wife's law school reunion next year. I wonder how close it is to Eugene? I gather from some of the group emails that it is good to have a small metal cutting band saw, drill press, and belt/disc sander for the project. Are there any other power tools that make the construction go faster and smoother? Thanks, Bill Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephanie Marshall Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 5:17 PM Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start Hi Gail, He is pilot for KC-135s here at McConnell.... Steph _____ From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:57 PM Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start Hi Steph, Thanks for the info. Where are you guys stationed? What does Baron do/fly? I teach at the AF Weapons School at Nellis in Las Vegas. Spent 26yrs as an AF pilot - T-33, T-38, F-4, F-5, F-15 and the MiG-17 and MiG-21. Later. Going to Cessna this weekend for a CAP G1000 checkout. Should be fun if the wx cooperaties. Gail Peck aka Gaillard.peck.ctr@nellis.af.mil nvRV8builder _____ From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie Marshall Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:38 AM Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start No problem!! We ran into the classic builder's block $$$$$$$$ and time (Baron is an Active Duty Air Force pilot). We are saving up to buy the wings and will be placing our order hopefully in the next 2-3 weeks. We are also putting money in the kitty for the QB fuselage. When the wings are ready we are planning a trip home to Oregon to see family and pick them up. If anyone wants us to pick up their wings, fuselage etc. let me know. If you will help with gas we will be more than happy to add your stuff to the trailer. Steph _____ From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Moreau Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 1:02 PM Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start Why didn't you ever continue the construction on your kit? Just wondering. On Jan 12, 2007, at 11:29 AM, Stephanie Marshall wrote: Hi there New Guy (since I am not sure of your name) We tried to catch all the steps on our RV8 here www.rv-8.info ....if you have any specific questions shoot me a line and I will TRY to help. This was Baron's project for the most part though and I was just another set of hands. Stephanie _____ From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM Subject: RV8-List: New Start Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set, inventory is complete! Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the HS main spar reinforcements. Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I know nothing! Any hot tips as I get started? nvrv8builder http://forums.matronics.com - The RV8-List Email Forum - class="Apple-converted-space"> --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - class="Apple-converted-space"> --> http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?RV8-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:06 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start From: "Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training" Thanks for the tip Stephanie. I have a band saw in my shop but haven't used it yet on this project. I am just getting started. Last night I fitted the reinforcement bars into one side of the stab main spar channel and started the match drill process with the #30 bits and then cleocoed the two parts together. One question. The metal finishing instructions talk about applying primer to any AL piece that has the protective finish removed. Breaking the edges of the reinforcement and then finishing it with 400 grit sandpaper removes that protective coat. Did you guys primer those reinforcement bars before putting them in place? Just curious. If anybody else has guidance, please chime in. Gail peck Aka Evil ________________________________ From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie Marshall Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:15 PM Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start I just got off the phone with Baron (who is in the United Arab Emirates) and he wanted me to tell you BANDSAW!!! You don't need an expensive one per say, just one that will cut metal. The tin snips tend to deform the metal he said....we got our bandsaw at Home Depot for ~$100...I don't remember the brand but it isn't a fancy one. Stephanie www.rv-8.info ________________________________ From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM Subject: RV8-List: New Start Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set, inventory is complete! Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the HS main spar reinforcements. Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I know nothing! Any hot tips as I get started? nvrv8builder ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:27 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start From: "Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training" Made it as far as Houston on this trip to Independence KS for the G1000 checkout. 3 inches of ice on the runway reported by the Cessna people. I came home as it appeared unworkable this week. Gail peck ________________________________ From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:36 PM Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start Wow the wx look really bad there this weekend. We are scheduled to go commercial to Tulsa and van up to Independence on Sun. If the wx guessers are even close, it ain't gunna happen that way. Signing off for about 10 days. Enjoyed the dialogue. Good luck with getting the wings on order. gaio ________________________________ From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie Marshall Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:18 PM Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start Hi Gail, He is pilot for KC-135s here at McConnell...... Steph ________________________________ From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:57 PM Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start Hi Steph, Thanks for the info. Where are you guys stationed? What does Baron do/fly? I teach at the AF Weapons School at Nellis in Las Vegas. Spent 26yrs as an AF pilot - T-33, T-38, F-4, F-5, F-15 and the MiG-17 and MiG-21. Later. Going to Cessna this weekend for a CAP G1000 checkout. Should be fun if the wx cooperaties. Gail Peck aka Gaillard.peck.ctr@nellis.af.mil nvRV8builder ________________________________ From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie Marshall Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:38 AM Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start No problem!! We ran into the classic builder's block $$$$$$$$ and time (Baron is an Active Duty Air Force pilot). We are saving up to buy the wings and will be placing our order hopefully in the next 2-3 weeks. We are also putting money in the kitty for the QB fuselage. When the wings are ready we are planning a trip home to Oregon to see family and pick them up. If anyone wants us to pick up their wings, fuselage etc. let me know. If you will help with gas we will be more than happy to add your stuff to the trailer. Steph ________________________________ From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Moreau Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 1:02 PM Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start Why didn't you ever continue the construction on your kit? Just wondering. On Jan 12, 2007, at 11:29 AM, Stephanie Marshall wrote: Hi there New Guy (since I am not sure of your name) We tried to catch all the steps on our RV8 here www.rv-8.info ....if you have any specific questions shoot me a line and I will TRY to help. This was Baron's project for the most part though and I was just another set of hands. Stephanie ________________________________ From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM To: rv8-list@matronics.com Subject: RV8-List: New Start Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set, inventory is complete! Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the HS main spar reinforcements. Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I know nothing! Any hot tips as I get started? nvrv8builder http://forums.matronics.com - The RV8-List Email Forum - class="Apple-converted-space"> --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - class="Apple-converted-space"> --> http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:07 AM PST US From: "Don McNamara" Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start Evil, you just opened the proverbial can of worms ... PRIMER!! :-) -- Don McNamara N8RV ----- Original Message ----- From: Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training To: rv8-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:03 AM Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start Thanks for the tip Stephanie. I have a band saw in my shop but haven't used it yet on this project. I am just getting started. Last night I fitted the reinforcement bars into one side of the stab main spar channel and started the match drill process with the #30 bits and then cleocoed the two parts together. One question. The metal finishing instructions talk about applying primer to any AL piece that has the protective finish removed. Breaking the edges of the reinforcement and then finishing it with 400 grit sandpaper removes that protective coat. Did you guys primer those reinforcement bars before putting them in place? Just curious. If anybody else has guidance, please chime in. Gail peck Aka Evil ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie Marshall Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:15 PM To: rv8-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start I just got off the phone with Baron (who is in the United Arab Emirates) and he wanted me to tell you BANDSAW!!! You don't need an expensive one per say, just one that will cut metal. The tin snips tend to deform the metal he said..we got our bandsaw at Home Depot for ~$100.I don't remember the brand but it isn't a fancy one. Stephanie www.rv-8.info ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM To: rv8-list@matronics.com Subject: RV8-List: New Start Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set, inventory is complete! Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the HS main spar reinforcements. Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I know nothing! Any hot tips as I get started? nvrv8builder ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:22 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start From: "Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training" Thanks for the tips Bill. I got the band saw you described and put the metal blade on it. Works great. Love buying tools so will pick up one of the belt sanders. Gail Peck Aka evil ________________________________ From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WILLIAM AGSTER Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 6:05 PM Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start I use the Ryobi band saw from Home Depot. DO NOT use the blade it comes with, find a blade with more teeth, at least 15 teeth per inch. It make cutting thin aluminum very quick and easy, especially the stiffeners in the ailerons and rudder. Also a great thing to have is the Ryobi 5 inch disc/36 inch belt sander ($89) at Home Depot. It makes quick work of straightening the long trimmed edges of the stiffeners and rounding off the edges. Get 120 or 150 belts and get several grits for the disc. It is invaluable. Also used the belt sander to get the long edges of the rudder bottom equal and smooth after trimming close to the finely scribed trim line. Bill Agster RV-7A #72556 N174BJ (reserved) ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephanie Marshall To: rv8-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:14 PM Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start I just got off the phone with Baron (who is in the United Arab Emirates) and he wanted me to tell you BANDSAW!!! You don't need an expensive one per say, just one that will cut metal. The tin snips tend to deform the metal he said..we got our bandsaw at Home Depot for ~$100.I don't remember the brand but it isn't a fancy one. Stephanie www.rv-8.info ________________________________ From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM To: rv8-list@matronics.com Subject: RV8-List: New Start Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set, inventory is complete! Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the HS main spar reinforcements. Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I know nothing! Any hot tips as I get started? nvrv8builder href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics c om/Navigator?RV8-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:10:46 AM PST US From: "Don McNamara" Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start Gail, I agree about the bandsaw. Never owned one before I started this project, but I've used it a LOT. Cuts through aluminum like a hot knife through butter! I'd hate to do this without my bandsaw ... I used a pneumatic squeezer a bunch, too. Worth buying a new one? Don't know. I bought mine used at Oshkosh and it's worked great. -- Don McNamara N8RV ----- Original Message ----- From: Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training To: rv8-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:49 AM Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start Thanks for the tips Bill. I got the band saw you described and put the metal blade on it. Works great. Love buying tools so will pick up one of the belt sanders. Gail Peck Aka evil ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WILLIAM AGSTER Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 6:05 PM To: rv8-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start I use the Ryobi band saw from Home Depot. DO NOT use the blade it comes with, find a blade with more teeth, at least 15 teeth per inch. It make cutting thin aluminum very quick and easy, especially the stiffeners in the ailerons and rudder. Also a great thing to have is the Ryobi 5 inch disc/36 inch belt sander ($89) at Home Depot. It makes quick work of straightening the long trimmed edges of the stiffeners and rounding off the edges. Get 120 or 150 belts and get several grits for the disc. It is invaluable. Also used the belt sander to get the long edges of the rudder bottom equal and smooth after trimming close to the finely scribed trim line. Bill Agster RV-7A #72556 N174BJ (reserved) ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephanie Marshall To: rv8-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:14 PM Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start I just got off the phone with Baron (who is in the United Arab Emirates) and he wanted me to tell you BANDSAW!!! You don't need an expensive one per say, just one that will cut metal. The tin snips tend to deform the metal he said..we got our bandsaw at Home Depot for ~$100.I don't remember the brand but it isn't a fancy one. Stephanie www.rv-8.info ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM To: rv8-list@matronics.com Subject: RV8-List: New Start Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set, inventory is complete! Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the HS main spar reinforcements. Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I know nothing! Any hot tips as I get started? nvrv8builder href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics com/Navigator?RV8-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums. matronics.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:16:48 AM PST US From: "JOHN STARN" Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start "I wanted spacious, economical fast and aerobatic. All for under $10K. So, getting real, I set my priorities: safety, something I could accomplish, close to 200K (speed of my twin)," Can we assume that you meant $100K (100 hundred thousand) and 200 knots. If ya'll have built an RV-8 for 10K...can you make me one too or show my how. Lets see.....a 200k twin (200 hundred thousand)......well it's a twin but don't think even the SR-71 is that fast. Have great day. 8*) KABONG Do Not Archive this sorry attempt at a wee bit of humor..... ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:55:14 AM PST US From: "Dick DeCramer" Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start Peck & other new starters All 6061 aluminum should be primed as it has no alclad coating which 2024 sheet has so it will corrode easily. This should be mentioned in Van's Builders' Manual and in the kits it includes all bar and extruded angle. Some builders feel the alclad has sufficient protection which is the purpose of the clad so they do not prime the 2024 sheet, however, I do lightly prime it. The aluminum should have an inked identification numbers top help determine what the material is. I have a large bandsaw which was used extensively in building an RV4 & an RV6 but I hardly used them on an RV8 tailkit since the new kits have grown more sophisticated. Yesterday, I moved the wing kit into the shop and noticed some more cutting will be required as it contained proportionally more raw sheet & bar stock than the tailkit had meaning more fabrication. Perhaps the builders farther along on the more modern kits can advise on this. So far, I have used 6" Scotchbrite wheel on a benchgrinder, 1" Scotchbrite wheel on a diegrinder, drill, deburring tool in a battery operated screwdriver, 3X Rivet gun, bench sander, hand rivet squeezer, assorted files, tin snips, "c" frame rivet tool, and a touchup spray gun for priming. I also did use normal household tools most people already have but only marginally used the drill press & bandsaw to date. With this I totally built one aircraft in the past and totally completed the RV8 tailkit in 130 hrs. over 2 months. My advice. Just build tools you have until a need arises. Keep the cash in a slush fund then buy based on actual building problems as most are readily available. I still don't have a now popular pneumatic squeezer but I do have 2 right angle drills and still have the pneumatic unit way down on my future shopping list. Keep in mind your task is to build an airplane, not to build a workshop even though a balance will needs to be struck here. Keep working as they fly just beautifully. Dick DeCramer RV6 N500DD 200hrs RV8 wing kit Northfield, MN ----- Original Message ----- From: Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training Sent: 1/16/2007 10:32:27 AM Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start Thanks for the tip Stephanie. I have a band saw in my shop but havent used it yet on this project. I am just getting started. Last night I fitted the reinforcement bars into one side of the stab main spar channel and started the match drill process with the #30 bits and then cleocoed the two parts together. One question. The metal finishing instructions talk about applying primer to any AL piece that has the protective finish removed. Breaking the edges of the reinforcement and then finishing it with 400 grit sandpaper removes that protective coat. Did you guys primer those reinforcement bars before putting them in place? Just curious. If anybody else has guidance, please chime in. Gail peck Aka Evil ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:46:49 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start From: "Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training" Thanks Don. Just bought a squeezer on EBay. Still need to add a couple dies to make it functional. Seems to work great from what I can tell. Gail Aka evil ________________________________ From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McNamara Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:04 AM Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start Gail, I agree about the bandsaw. Never owned one before I started this project, but I've used it a LOT. Cuts through aluminum like a hot knife through butter! I'd hate to do this without my bandsaw ... I used a pneumatic squeezer a bunch, too. Worth buying a new one? Don't know. I bought mine used at Oshkosh and it's worked great. -- Don McNamara N8RV ----- Original Message ----- From: Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training To: rv8-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:49 AM Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start Thanks for the tips Bill. I got the band saw you described and put the metal blade on it. Works great. Love buying tools so will pick up one of the belt sanders. Gail Peck Aka evil ________________________________ From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of WILLIAM AGSTER Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 6:05 PM To: rv8-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start I use the Ryobi band saw from Home Depot. DO NOT use the blade it comes with, find a blade with more teeth, at least 15 teeth per inch. It make cutting thin aluminum very quick and easy, especially the stiffeners in the ailerons and rudder. Also a great thing to have is the Ryobi 5 inch disc/36 inch belt sander ($89) at Home Depot. It makes quick work of straightening the long trimmed edges of the stiffeners and rounding off the edges. Get 120 or 150 belts and get several grits for the disc. It is invaluable. Also used the belt sander to get the long edges of the rudder bottom equal and smooth after trimming close to the finely scribed trim line. Bill Agster RV-7A #72556 N174BJ (reserved) ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephanie Marshall To: rv8-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:14 PM Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start I just got off the phone with Baron (who is in the United Arab Emirates) and he wanted me to tell you BANDSAW!!! You don't need an expensive one per say, just one that will cut metal. The tin snips tend to deform the metal he said..we got our bandsaw at Home Depot for ~$100.I don't remember the brand but it isn't a fancy one. Stephanie www.rv-8.info ________________________________ From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM To: rv8-list@matronics.com Subject: RV8-List: New Start Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set, inventory is complete! Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the HS main spar reinforcements. Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I know nothing! Any hot tips as I get started? nvrv8builder href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics c om/Navigator?RV8-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics .. com/Navigator?RV8-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:48:50 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start From: "Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training" Great tips Dick. Thanks for taking the time to share your experience. Gail peck Aka evil ________________________________ From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick DeCramer Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:55 AM Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start Peck & other new starters All 6061 aluminum should be primed as it has no alclad coating which 2024 sheet has so it will corrode easily. This should be mentioned in Van's Builders' Manual and in the kits it includes all bar and extruded angle. Some builders feel the alclad has sufficient protection which is the purpose of the clad so they do not prime the 2024 sheet, however, I do lightly prime it. The aluminum should have an inked identification numbers top help determine what the material is. I have a large bandsaw which was used extensively in building an RV4 & an RV6 but I hardly used them on an RV8 tailkit since the new kits have grown more sophisticated. Yesterday, I moved the wing kit into the shop and noticed some more cutting will be required as it contained proportionally more raw sheet & bar stock than the tailkit had meaning more fabrication. Perhaps the builders farther along on the more modern kits can advise on this. So far, I have used 6" Scotchbrite wheel on a benchgrinder, 1" Scotchbrite wheel on a diegrinder, drill, deburring tool in a battery operated screwdriver, 3X Rivet gun, bench sander, hand rivet squeezer, assorted files, tin snips, "c" frame rivet tool, and a touchup spray gun for priming. I also did use normal household tools most people already have but only marginally used the drill press & bandsaw to date. With this I totally built one aircraft in the past and totally completed the RV8 tailkit in 130 hrs. over 2 months. My advice. Just build tools you have until a need arises. Keep the cash in a slush fund then buy based on actual building problems as most are readily available. I still don't have a now popular pneumatic squeezer but I do have 2 right angle drills and still have the pneumatic unit way down on my future shopping list. Keep in mind your task is to build an airplane, not to build a workshop even though a balance will needs to be struck here. Keep working as they fly just beautifully. Dick DeCramer RV6 N500DD 200hrs RV8 wing kit Northfield, MN ----- Original Message ----- From: Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training To: rv8-list@matronics.com Sent: 1/16/2007 10:32:27 AM Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start Thanks for the tip Stephanie. I have a band saw in my shop but haven't used it yet on this project. I am just getting started. Last night I fitted the reinforcement bars into one side of the stab main spar channel and started the match drill process with the #30 bits and then cleocoed the two parts together. One question. The metal finishing instructions talk about applying primer to any AL piece that has the protective finish removed. Breaking the edges of the reinforcement and then finishing it with 400 grit sandpaper removes that protective coat. Did you guys primer those reinforcement bars before putting them in place? Just curious. If anybody else has guidance, please chime in. Gail peck Aka Evil ________________________________ <> ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:54:03 AM PST US From: "Robert Sather" Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start John, I'm slow but that would be 200 knots ----- Original Message ----- From: JOHN STARN To: rv8-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:14 AM Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start "I wanted spacious, economical fast and aerobatic. All for under $10K. So, getting real, I set my priorities: safety, something I could accomplish, close to 200K (speed of my twin)," Can we assume that you meant $100K (100 hundred thousand) and 200 knots. If ya'll have built an RV-8 for 10K...can you make me one too or show my how. Lets see.....a 200k twin (200 hundred thousand)......well it's a twin but don't think even the SR-71 is that fast. Have great day. 8*) KABONG Do Not Archive this sorry attempt at a wee bit of humor..... ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:08:26 PM PST US From: "Tom Schad" Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start I finished my RV-8 QB a little over a year ago and have been enjoying flying it ever since. One of the handiest things in my shop for making those small parts is a Sears bench mounted one inch belt sander. I used it to smooth edges, round corners etc. A 90 degree head drill was also useful at times. I have a 45 degree head drill and found it wasn't needed and hard to use at times. I didn't buy a pneumatic squeezer, but I think it would have been nice to have had although not a necessity. Primer on everything is good, especially on the non alclad material. I primed the entire inside of the horizontal and vertical stabilizers as well as the elevator and rudder. Pretty hard to inspect for corrosion in the future. (A common problem with the Swift for the same reason) ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick DeCramer To: rv8-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 12:54 PM Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start Peck & other new starters All 6061 aluminum should be primed as it has no alclad coating which 2024 sheet has so it will corrode easily. This should be mentioned in Van's Builders' Manual and in the kits it includes all bar and extruded angle. Some builders feel the alclad has sufficient protection which is the purpose of the clad so they do not prime the 2024 sheet, however, I do lightly prime it. The aluminum should have an inked identification numbers top help determine what the material is. I have a large bandsaw which was used extensively in building an RV4 & an RV6 but I hardly used them on an RV8 tailkit since the new kits have grown more sophisticated. Yesterday, I moved the wing kit into the shop and noticed some more cutting will be required as it contained proportionally more raw sheet & bar stock than the tailkit had meaning more fabrication. Perhaps the builders farther along on the more modern kits can advise on this. So far, I have used 6" Scotchbrite wheel on a benchgrinder, 1" Scotchbrite wheel on a diegrinder, drill, deburring tool in a battery operated screwdriver, 3X Rivet gun, bench sander, hand rivet squeezer, assorted files, tin snips, "c" frame rivet tool, and a touchup spray gun for priming. I also did use normal household tools most people already have but only marginally used the drill press & bandsaw to date. With this I totally built one aircraft in the past and totally completed the RV8 tailkit in 130 hrs. over 2 months. My advice. Just build tools you have until a need arises. Keep the cash in a slush fund then buy based on actual building problems as most are readily available. I still don't have a now popular pneumatic squeezer but I do have 2 right angle drills and still have the pneumatic unit way down on my future shopping list. Keep in mind your task is to build an airplane, not to build a workshop even though a balance will needs to be struck here. Keep working as they fly just beautifully. Dick DeCramer RV6 N500DD 200hrs RV8 wing kit Northfield, MN ----- Original Message ----- From: Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training To: rv8-list@matronics.com Sent: 1/16/2007 10:32:27 AM Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start Thanks for the tip Stephanie. I have a band saw in my shop but haven't used it yet on this project. I am just getting started. Last night I fitted the reinforcement bars into one side of the stab main spar channel and started the match drill process with the #30 bits and then cleocoed the two parts together. One question. The metal finishing instructions talk about applying primer to any AL piece that has the protective finish removed. Breaking the edges of the reinforcement and then finishing it with 400 grit sandpaper removes that protective coat. Did you guys primer those reinforcement bars before putting them in place? Just curious. If anybody else has guidance, please chime in. Gail peck Aka Evil ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:18:59 PM PST US From: "Steve Gregory" Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start Wait! Did somebody say PRIMER? Steve Gregory RV-8QB Livermore, CA _____ From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McNamara Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:27 AM Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start Evil, you just opened the proverbial can of worms ... PRIMER!! :-) -- Don McNamara N8RV ----- Original Message ----- From: Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:03 AM Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start Thanks for the tip Stephanie. I have a band saw in my shop but haven't used it yet on this project. I am just getting started. Last night I fitted the reinforcement bars into one side of the stab main spar channel and started the match drill process with the #30 bits and then cleocoed the two parts together. One question. The metal finishing instructions talk about applying primer to any AL piece that has the protective finish removed. Breaking the edges of the reinforcement and then finishing it with 400 grit sandpaper removes that protective coat. Did you guys primer those reinforcement bars before putting them in place? Just curious. If anybody else has guidance, please chime in. Gail peck Aka Evil _____ From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie Marshall Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:15 PM Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start I just got off the phone with Baron (who is in the United Arab Emirates) and he wanted me to tell you BANDSAW!!! You don't need an expensive one per say, just one that will cut metal. The tin snips tend to deform the metal he said..we got our bandsaw at Home Depot for ~$100.I don't remember the brand but it isn't a fancy one. Stephanie www.rv-8.info _____ From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM Subject: RV8-List: New Start Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set, inventory is complete! Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the HS main spar reinforcements. Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I know nothing! Any hot tips as I get started? nvrv8builder href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?RV8-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:53:13 PM PST US From: Jeff Moreau Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start I primed mine before I riveted the piece together. When they talk of protective coating I believe that they are referring to the alclad. Anthing that isn't alclad should have a coat of primer to protect it. On Jan 16, 2007, at 11:03 AM, Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training wrote: > Thanks for the tip Stephanie. I have a band saw in my shop but > haven=92t used it yet on this project. > > > I am just getting started. Last night I fitted the reinforcement > bars into one side of the stab main spar channel and started the > match drill process with the #30 bits and then cleocoed the two > parts together. > > > One question. The metal finishing instructions talk about applying > primer to any AL piece that has the protective finish removed. > Breaking the edges of the reinforcement and then finishing it with > 400 grit sandpaper removes that protective coat. Did you guys > primer those reinforcement bars before putting them in place? > > > Just curious. If anybody else has guidance, please chime in. > > > Gail peck > > > Aka Evil > > > From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie Marshall > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:15 PM > To: rv8-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start > > > I just got off the phone with Baron (who is in the United Arab > Emirates) and he wanted me to tell you BANDSAW!!! You don=92t need an > expensive one per say, just one that will cut metal. The tin snips > tend to deform the metal he said=85.we got our bandsaw at Home Depot > for ~$100=85I don=92t remember the brand but it isn=92t a fancy one. > > > Stephanie > > www.rv-8.info > > > From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD > Training > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM > To: rv8-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV8-List: New Start > > > Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set, inventory > is complete! > > > Am about to start Step 1, =93breaking=94 the edges for the HS main spar > reinforcements. > > > Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I know > nothing! Any hot tips as I get started? > > > nvrv8builder > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List > http://forums.matronics.com > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List > http://forums.matronics.com > > ======================== > ======================== > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv8-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV8-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv8-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv8-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.