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1. 12:13 AM - Re: New Start (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mich=E8le_Delsol?=)
2. 07:54 AM - Re: New Start (Stephanie Marshall)
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I don=92t aim to start another prime and/or corrosion war. One good
reason I
prime 2024 sheet is that it gives it good mechanical protection since
the AL
cladding is very soft. The mere act of looking at it will probably
scratch
it. What=92s more, as soon as you start handling 2024 sheet, bending it,
drilling into it, deburring it, you end up with lots of spots where the
pure
Al cladding has been removed. Hence to play it safe, I prime.
Furthermore,
there is a psychological element also. If and when you sell the
airplane,
It=92s having been primed will most probably increase its resale value.
Michele
RV8 - Finishing
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From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick DeCramer
Sent: mardi 16 janvier 2007 19:55
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Peck & other new starters
All 6061 aluminum should be primed as it has no alclad coating which
2024
sheet has so it will corrode easily. This should be mentioned in Van's
Builders' Manual and in the kits it includes all bar and extruded angle.
Some builders feel the alclad has sufficient protection which is the
purpose
of the clad so they do not prime the 2024 sheet, however, I do lightly
prime
it. The aluminum should have an inked identification numbers top help
determine what the material is.
I have a large bandsaw which was used extensively in building an RV4 &
an
RV6 but I hardly used them on an RV8 tailkit since the new kits have
grown
more sophisticated. Yesterday, I moved the wing kit into the shop and
noticed some more cutting will be required as it contained
proportionally
more raw sheet & bar stock than the tailkit had meaning more
fabrication.
Perhaps the builders farther along on the more modern kits can advise on
this.
So far, I have used 6" Scotchbrite wheel on a benchgrinder, 1"
Scotchbrite
wheel on a diegrinder, drill, deburring tool in a battery operated
screwdriver, 3X Rivet gun, bench sander, hand rivet squeezer, assorted
files, tin snips, "c" frame rivet tool, and a touchup spray gun for
priming.
I also did use normal household tools most people already have but only
marginally used the drill press & bandsaw to date. With this I totally
built one aircraft in the past and totally completed the RV8 tailkit in
130
hrs. over 2 months.
My advice. Just build tools you have until a need arises. Keep the cash
in
a slush fund then buy based on actual building problems as most are
readily
available. I still don't have a now popular pneumatic squeezer but I do
have 2 right angle drills and still have the pneumatic unit way down on
my
future shopping list. Keep in mind your task is to build an airplane,
not
to build a workshop even though a balance will needs to be struck here.
Keep working as they fly just beautifully.
Dick DeCramer
RV6 N500DD 200hrs
RV8 wing kit
Northfield, MN
----- Original Message -----
From: Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
<mailto:gaillard.peck.ctr@nellis.af.mil>
Sent: 1/16/2007 10:32:27 AM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Thanks for the tip Stephanie. I have a band saw in my shop but haven=12t
used
it yet on this project.
I am just getting started. Last night I fitted the reinforcement bars
into
one side of the stab main spar channel and started the match drill
process
with the #30 bits and then cleocoed the two parts together.
One question. The metal finishing instructions talk about applying
primer to
any AL piece that has the protective finish removed. Breaking the edges
of
the reinforcement and then finishing it with 400 grit sandpaper removes
that
protective coat. Did you guys primer those reinforcement bars before
putting
them in place?
Just curious. If anybody else has guidance, please chime in.
Gail peck
Aka Evil
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Hi Bill,
We lived in Corvallis and went to Aurora 2 or 3 times....it isn't that
long of a drive.
I have to put in one plug though the DRDT-2 is worth it's weight in gold
IMO. (http://www.experimentalaero.com/DRDT-2.htm) it makes a much more
uniform hole and makes life SO MUCH BETTER!!!! We started out with the
good old standby the C-Frame, but we got the DRDT-2 a little while ago
and LOVE IT!!
Cheers
Steph
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From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Prestin
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start
Hi Stephanie,
I just joined the list. Thinking about building an RV8.
I did a lot of work on the KC & EC-135's as a Com/Nav Specialist late
90's early 2000. I'm out in the civilian world now running Co-Gen power
plants. I bet Baron is flying a lot of hours with the current Iraq
situation. Hope it all goes well.
I'm hoping to check out Van's production facility when we head out to
Oregon for my wife's law school reunion next year. I wonder how close it
is to Eugene?
I gather from some of the group emails that it is good to have a small
metal cutting band saw, drill press, and belt/disc sander for the
project. Are there any other power tools that make the construction go
faster and smoother?
Thanks,
Bill
Michigan
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephanie Marshall <mailto:smarshall@netsystems.net>
To: rv8-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 5:17 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Hi Gail,
He is pilot for KC-135s here at McConnell......
Steph
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From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:57 PM
To: rv8-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
Hi Steph,
Thanks for the info. Where are you guys stationed? What does
Baron do/fly?
I teach at the AF Weapons School at Nellis in Las Vegas. Spent
26yrs as an AF pilot - T-33, T-38, F-4, F-5, F-15 and the MiG-17 and
MiG-21.
Later. Going to Cessna this weekend for a CAP G1000 checkout.
Should be fun if the wx cooperaties.
Gail Peck
aka
Gaillard.peck.ctr@nellis.af.mil
nvRV8builder
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From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephanie
Marshall
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:38 AM
To: rv8-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV8-List: New Start
No problem!! We ran into the classic builder's block $$$$$$$$
and time (Baron is an Active Duty Air Force pilot).
We are saving up to buy the wings and will be placing our order
hopefully in the next 2-3 weeks. We are also putting money in the kitty
for the QB fuselage. When the wings are ready we are planning a trip
home to Oregon to see family and pick them up.
If anyone wants us to pick up their wings, fuselage etc. let me
know. If you will help with gas we will be more than happy to add your
stuff to the trailer.
Steph
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[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Moreau
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 1:02 PM
To: rv8-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV8-List: New Start
Why didn't you ever continue the construction on your kit?
Just wondering.
On Jan 12, 2007, at 11:29 AM, Stephanie Marshall wrote:
Hi there New Guy (since I am not sure of your name)
We tried to catch all the steps on our RV8 here
www.rv-8.info <http://www.rv-8.info/> ....if you have any specific
questions shoot me a line and I will TRY to help. This was Baron's
project for the most part though and I was just another set of hands.
Stephanie
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From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard
R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AM
To: rv8-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV8-List: New Start
Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set,
inventory is complete!
Am about to start Step 1, "breaking" the edges for the
HS main spar reinforcements.
Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely
admit I know nothing! Any hot tips as I get started?
nvrv8builder
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