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1. 01:18 AM - Re: Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location (mosquito56)
2. 08:46 AM - Re: RV8-Instrument Panel (japhillipsga@aol.com)
3. 09:22 AM - Re: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel (Al Grajek)
4. 09:35 AM - Re: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel (japhillipsga@aol.com)
5. 11:37 AM - Re: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel (James Gray)
6. 12:34 PM - Re: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel (Chris Lynch)
7. 01:45 PM - Re: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel (japhillipsga@aol.com)
8. 01:48 PM - Re: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel (japhillipsga@aol.com)
9. 05:04 PM - Re: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel (Gordon or Marge)
10. 06:43 PM - Re: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel (Terry Watson)
11. 07:47 PM - Re: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel (DONKEYVET@aol.com)
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Nice site. I will be studying it for a few weeks to see what Ideas I can steal.
Looking good
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Don Merritt- Laredo, Tx
Apologies if I seem antagonistic.
I believe in the freeflowing ideas and discussions between individuals for assistance
in this thing we call life.
Read this topic online here:
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Fellow RV-8 builders, I to am at the panel layout planning stage for my 8A. Is
there a site somewhere with just RV-8 instrument panel layouts ? Or a site with
a bunch of panel photos for 8s that would be helpful ? Just unpacked my finish
and FWF kits last night and can see the the light. Christmas in October ! Hope
to hear from you all. Best regards, Bill of Georgia
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1. 06:05 PM - Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location (Garey Wittich)
2. 06:40 PM - Re: Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location (Terry Watson)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 06:05:18 PM PST US
From: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV8-List: Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location
Greetings:
Have RV8-"A". Instr. Panel space ALL used up. Has
anybody mounted their Pilot's Eyeball Cooling Vent
some place other than on the Instr Panel ???
Below Instr Panel (left side) above Throttle Quadrant
can cause inter- ference with Quadrant Levers.
Below center of Instr Panel (between my legs) can
cause interference with the Control Stick.
Below Instr Panel (right side) next to the fuselage
skin limits the visability of some of my Switches /
Circuit Breakers on F8101.
Appreciate any ideas and any pictures would be welcome
too !!!!
Thanks, Garey Wittich Santa Monica, CA (310)
392-1682
__________________________________________________
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 06:40:30 PM PST US
From: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location
I mounted mine below the instrument panel on the left side, forward of the
quadrant and also a little forward of the instrument panel. I also mounted
pull cable controls there for the fuel cut-off, an oil cooler bypass, and an
alternate air bypass to the air cleaner.
It all hanger-flies pretty well. It will be a while before it gets tested in
the air.
Terry
RV-8A #80729 wiring
Seattle
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garey Wittich
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 6:04 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location
Greetings:
Have RV8-"A". Instr. Panel space ALL used up. Has
anybody mounted their Pilot's Eyeball Cooling Vent
some place other than on the Instr Panel ???
Below Instr Panel (left side) above Throttle Quadrant
can cause inter- ference with Quadrant Levers.
Below center of Instr Panel (between my legs) can
cause interference with the Control Stick.
Below Instr Panel (right side) next to the fuselage
skin limits the visability of some of my Switches /
Circuit Breakers on F8101.
Appreciate any ideas and any pictures would be welcome
too !!!!
Thanks, Garey Wittich Santa Monica, CA (310)
392-1682
__________________________________________________
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There is a free website where you can actually design your panel for free.
The trouble is I cant remember what it is! Try searching the RV List
archives. Also Go to vans Air Force.net and chek it out. They have a section
of panel pictures.
Al Grajek
RV8
Lexington, Ky
>From: japhillipsga@aol.com
>To: rv8-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
>Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:43:14 -0400
>
>Fellow RV-8 builders, I to am at the panel layout planning stage for my 8A.
>Is there a site somewhere with just RV-8 instrument panel layouts ? Or a
>site with a bunch of panel photos for 8s that would be helpful ? Just
>unpacked my finish and FWF kits last night and can see the the light.
>Christmas in October ! Hope to hear from you all. Best regards, Bill of
>Georgia
>do not archive
>
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> 1. 06:05 PM - Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location (Garey Wittich)
> 2. 06:40 PM - Re: Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location (Terry Watson)
>
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>________________________________ Message 1
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>Time: 06:05:18 PM PST US
>From: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000@yahoo.com>
>Subject: RV8-List: Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location
>
>
>Greetings:
>
>Have RV8-"A". Instr. Panel space ALL used up. Has
>anybody mounted their Pilot's Eyeball Cooling Vent
>some place other than on the Instr Panel ???
>
>Below Instr Panel (left side) above Throttle Quadrant
>can cause inter- ference with Quadrant Levers.
>
>Below center of Instr Panel (between my legs) can
>cause interference with the Control Stick.
>
>Below Instr Panel (right side) next to the fuselage
>skin limits the visability of some of my Switches /
>Circuit Breakers on F8101.
>
>Appreciate any ideas and any pictures would be welcome
>too !!!!
>
>Thanks, Garey Wittich Santa Monica, CA (310)
>392-1682
>
>
>__________________________________________________
>
>
>________________________________ Message 2
>_____________________________________
>
>
>Time: 06:40:30 PM PST US
>From: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
>Subject: RE: RV8-List: Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location
>
>
>I mounted mine below the instrument panel on the left side, forward of the
>quadrant and also a little forward of the instrument panel. I also mounted
>pull cable controls there for the fuel cut-off, an oil cooler bypass, and
>an
>alternate air bypass to the air cleaner.
>
>It all hanger-flies pretty well. It will be a while before it gets tested
>in
>the air.
>
>Terry
>RV-8A #80729 wiring
>Seattle
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garey Wittich
>Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 6:04 PM
>Subject: RV8-List: Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location
>
>
>Greetings:
>
>Have RV8-"A". Instr. Panel space ALL used up. Has
>anybody mounted their Pilot's Eyeball Cooling Vent
>some place other than on the Instr Panel ???
>
>Below Instr Panel (left side) above Throttle Quadrant
>can cause inter- ference with Quadrant Levers.
>
>Below center of Instr Panel (between my legs) can
>cause interference with the Control Stick.
>
>Below Instr Panel (right side) next to the fuselage
>skin limits the visability of some of my Switches /
>Circuit Breakers on F8101.
>
>Appreciate any ideas and any pictures would be welcome
>too !!!!
>
>Thanks, Garey Wittich Santa Monica, CA (310)
>392-1682
>
>
>__________________________________________________
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! -
>http://mail.aol.com
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Al, Thanks, Bill
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-----Original Message-----
From: Al Grajek <algrajek@msn.com>
Sent: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:19 pm
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
?
There is a free website where you can actually design your panel for free. The
trouble is I cant remember what it is! Try searching the RV List archives. Also
Go to vans Air Force.net and chek it out. They have a section of panel pictures.?
Al Grajek?
RV8?
Lexington, Ky?
?
>From: japhillipsga@aol.com?
>To: rv8-list@matronics.com?
>Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel?
>Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:43:14 -0400?
>?
>Fellow RV-8 builders, I to am at the panel layout planning stage for my 8A. >Is
there a site somewhere with just RV-8 instrument panel layouts ? Or a >site
with a bunch of panel photos for 8s that would be helpful ? Just >unpacked my
finish and FWF kits last night and can see the the light. >Christmas in October
! Hope to hear from you all. Best regards, Bill of >Georgia?
>do not archive?
>?
>-----Original Message-----?
>From: RV8-List Digest Server <rv8-list@matronics.com>?
>To: RV8-List Digest List <rv8-list-digest@matronics.com>?
>Sent: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 2:57 am?
>Subject: RV8-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 10/16/07?
>?
>?
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>?
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>two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted?
>in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes?
>and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version?
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>such as Notepad or with a web browser.?
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>Today's Message Index:?
>----------------------?
>?
> 1. 06:05 PM - Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location (Garey Wittich)?
> 2. 06:40 PM - Re: Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location (Terry Watson)?
>?
>?
>?
>________________________________ Message 1 >_____________________________________?
>?
>?
>Time: 06:05:18 PM PST US?
>From: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000@yahoo.com>?
>Subject: RV8-List: Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location?
>?
>?
>Greetings:?
>?
>Have RV8-"A". Instr. Panel space ALL used up. Has?
>anybody mounted their Pilot's Eyeball Cooling Vent?
>some place other than on the Instr Panel ????
>?
>Below Instr Panel (left side) above Throttle Quadrant?
>can cause inter- ference with Quadrant Levers.?
>?
>Below center of Instr Panel (between my legs) can?
>cause interference with the Control Stick.?
>?
>Below Instr Panel (right side) next to the fuselage?
>skin limits the visability of some of my Switches /?
>Circuit Breakers on F8101.?
>?
>Appreciate any ideas and any pictures would be welcome?
>too !!!!?
>?
>Thanks, Garey Wittich Santa Monica, CA (310)?
>392-1682?
>?
>?
>__________________________________________________?
>?
>?
>________________________________ Message 2 >_____________________________________?
>?
>?
>Time: 06:40:30 PM PST US?
>From: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>?
>Subject: RE: RV8-List: Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location?
>?
>?
>I mounted mine below the instrument panel on the left side, forward of the?
>quadrant and also a little forward of the instrument panel. I also mounted?
>pull cable controls there for the fuel cut-off, an oil cooler bypass, and >an?
>alternate air bypass to the air cleaner.?
>?
>It all hanger-flies pretty well. It will be a while before it gets tested >in?
>the air.?
>?
>Terry?
>RV-8A #80729 wiring?
>Seattle?
>?
>-----Original Message-----?
>From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com?
>[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garey Wittich?
>Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 6:04 PM?
>Subject: RV8-List: Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location?
>?
>?
>Greetings:?
>?
>Have RV8-"A". Instr. Panel space ALL used up. Has?
>anybody mounted their Pilot's Eyeball Cooling Vent?
>some place other than on the Instr Panel ????
>?
>Below Instr Panel (left side) above Throttle Quadrant?
>can cause inter- ference with Quadrant Levers.?
>?
>Below center of Instr Panel (between my legs) can?
>cause interference with the Control Stick.?
>?
>Below Instr Panel (right side) next to the fuselage?
>skin limits the visability of some of my Switches /?
>Circuit Breakers on F8101.?
>?
>Appreciate any ideas and any pictures would be welcome?
>too !!!!?
>?
>Thanks, Garey Wittich Santa Monica, CA (310)?
>392-1682?
>?
>?
>__________________________________________________?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>________________________________________________________________________?
>Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - >http://mail.aol.com?
?
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| Subject: | Re: RV8-Instrument Panel |
Bill,
My recommendation is to use your instrument panel from the kit as a
template, and make a full size drawing on cardboard. Use Van=92s
parts to draw in the flange areas of the supports that will be
overlapping behind the panel. These are areas that you have to
avoid when laying out locations for your instruments. You also
will have to leave clearance for brackets to support your radio
stack, GPS, etc. And maybe most importantly of all, the =91z=92 bar
support behind the panel has to be dealt with, long items like radios
and transponders must be oriented in your panel to miss the =91z=92 bar.
I'm assuming the -8A has the same situation as my -8.
Decide what you think you want in your panel and make cardboard
cutouts the exact dimensions of each, and start moving them around.
Think about how you fly, and how comfortable and accessible each
switch is, as you are flying.
And that brings me to my pet peeve, and this will probably draw the
ire of several builders, but the RV-8 essentially is designed as any
center line military airplane would be designed, the stick is in the
right hand and the throttle is in the left. As a result, the free
hand is the left hand. Military designers try to lay out switches so
the right hand NEVER has to leave the stick during periods of high
work load.
In my humble opinion, the biggest mistake builders make in a tandem
airplane panel layout, is trying to go back to their roots, i.e.
Cessna/ Piper, with the radio stack on the right side of the pilot.
But in an RV-8, this is just the opposite of what you want. You fly
with your right hand, so the instruments that require the most
tending should be located on the left side. On an airplane as
simple as an RV-8, there aren=92t many items that require much
attention, comm radio, flap switch, and the intercom are the big
ones that should be located on the left. You don=92t want to be
switching hands from right to left every time you need to change a
frequency or adjust the squelch on the intercom during the take off
roll.
Panel space is an issue, and everything can=92t go on the left side.
I put the GPS on the right, and my autopilot. Items that I hope to
be using while I=92m cruising, and not during times of high workload.
Hope that helps,
Jim
n747jg@earthlink.net
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On Oct 18, 2007, at 9:43 AM, japhillipsga@aol.com wrote:
> Fellow RV-8 builders, I to am at the panel layout planning stage
> for my 8A. Is there a site somewhere with just RV-8 instrument
> panel layouts ? Or a site with a bunch of panel photos for 8s that
> would be helpful ? Just unpacked my finish and FWF kits last night
> and can see the the light. Christmas in October ! Hope to hear from
> you all. Best regards, Bill of Georgia
> do not archive
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> To: RV8-List Digest List <rv8-list-digest@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 2:57 am
> Subject: RV8-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 10/16/07
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> ----------------------
>
> 1. 06:05 PM - Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location (Garey
> Wittich)
> 2. 06:40 PM - Re: Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location (Terry
> Watson)
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 1
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:05:18 PM PST US
> From: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000@yahoo.com>
> Subject: RV8-List: Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location
>
>
> Greetings:
>
> Have RV8-"A". Instr. Panel space ALL used up. Has
> anybody mounted their Pilot's Eyeball Cooling Vent
> some place other than on the Instr Panel ???
>
> Below Instr Panel (left side) above Throttle Quadrant
> can cause inter- ference with Quadrant Levers.
>
> Below center of Instr Panel (between my legs) can
> cause interference with the Control Stick.
>
> Below Instr Panel (right side) next to the fuselage
> skin limits the visability of some of my Switches /
> Circuit Breakers on F8101.
>
> Appreciate any ideas and any pictures would be welcome
> too !!!!
>
> Thanks, Garey Wittich Santa Monica, CA (310)
> 392-1682
>
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 06:40:30 PM PST US
> From: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
> Subject: RE: RV8-List: Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location
>
>
> I mounted mine below the instrument panel on the left side, forward
> of the
> quadrant and also a little forward of the instrument panel. I also
> mounted
> pull cable controls there for the fuel cut-off, an oil cooler
> bypass, and an
> alternate air bypass to the air cleaner.
>
> It all hanger-flies pretty well. It will be a while before it gets
> tested in
> the air.
>
> Terry
> RV-8A #80729 wiring
> Seattle
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garey
> Wittich
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 6:04 PM
> Subject: RV8-List: Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location
>
>
> Greetings:
>
> Have RV8-"A". Instr. Panel space ALL used up. Has
> anybody mounted their Pilot's Eyeball Cooling Vent
> some place other than on the Instr Panel ???
>
> Below Instr Panel (left side) above Throttle Quadrant
> can cause inter- ference with Quadrant Levers.
>
> Below center of Instr Panel (between my legs) can
> cause interference with the Control Stick.
>
> Below Instr Panel (right side) next to the fuselage
> skin limits the visability of some of my Switches /
> Circuit Breakers on F8101.
>
> Appreciate any ideas and any pictures would be welcome
> too !!!!
>
> Thanks, Garey Wittich Santa Monica, CA (310)
> 392-1682
>
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
> Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail!
>
>
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www.epanelbuilder.com
Chris,
RV8 builder (N181CL)
Nashua, NH
>From: "Al Grajek" <algrajek@msn.com>
>To: rv8-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
>Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:19:47 -0400
>
>
>There is a free website where you can actually design your panel for free.
>The trouble is I cant remember what it is! Try searching the RV List
>archives. Also Go to vans Air Force.net and chek it out. They have a
>section of panel pictures.
>Al Grajek
>RV8
>Lexington, Ky
>
>
>>From: japhillipsga@aol.com
>>To: rv8-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
>>Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:43:14 -0400
>>
>>Fellow RV-8 builders, I to am at the panel layout planning stage for my
>>8A. Is there a site somewhere with just RV-8 instrument panel layouts ? Or
>>a site with a bunch of panel photos for 8s that would be helpful ? Just
>>unpacked my finish and FWF kits last night and can see the the light.
>>Christmas in October ! Hope to hear from you all. Best regards, Bill of
>>Georgia
>>do not archive
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
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>>To: RV8-List Digest List <rv8-list-digest@matronics.com>
>>Sent: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 2:57 am
>>Subject: RV8-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 10/16/07
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>> 1. 06:05 PM - Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location (Garey Wittich)
>> 2. 06:40 PM - Re: Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location (Terry
>>Watson)
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________ Message 1
>>_____________________________________
>>
>>
>>Time: 06:05:18 PM PST US
>>From: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000@yahoo.com>
>>Subject: RV8-List: Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location
>>
>>
>>Greetings:
>>
>>Have RV8-"A". Instr. Panel space ALL used up. Has
>>anybody mounted their Pilot's Eyeball Cooling Vent
>>some place other than on the Instr Panel ???
>>
>>Below Instr Panel (left side) above Throttle Quadrant
>>can cause inter- ference with Quadrant Levers.
>>
>>Below center of Instr Panel (between my legs) can
>>cause interference with the Control Stick.
>>
>>Below Instr Panel (right side) next to the fuselage
>>skin limits the visability of some of my Switches /
>>Circuit Breakers on F8101.
>>
>>Appreciate any ideas and any pictures would be welcome
>>too !!!!
>>
>>Thanks, Garey Wittich Santa Monica, CA (310)
>>392-1682
>>
>>
>>__________________________________________________
>>
>>
>>________________________________ Message 2
>>_____________________________________
>>
>>
>>Time: 06:40:30 PM PST US
>>From: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
>>Subject: RE: RV8-List: Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location
>>
>>
>>I mounted mine below the instrument panel on the left side, forward of the
>>quadrant and also a little forward of the instrument panel. I also mounted
>>pull cable controls there for the fuel cut-off, an oil cooler bypass, and
>>an
>>alternate air bypass to the air cleaner.
>>
>>It all hanger-flies pretty well. It will be a while before it gets tested
>>in
>>the air.
>>
>>Terry
>>RV-8A #80729 wiring
>>Seattle
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garey Wittich
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 6:04 PM
>>Subject: RV8-List: Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location
>>
>>
>>Greetings:
>>
>>Have RV8-"A". Instr. Panel space ALL used up. Has
>>anybody mounted their Pilot's Eyeball Cooling Vent
>>some place other than on the Instr Panel ???
>>
>>Below Instr Panel (left side) above Throttle Quadrant
>>can cause inter- ference with Quadrant Levers.
>>
>>Below center of Instr Panel (between my legs) can
>>cause interference with the Control Stick.
>>
>>Below Instr Panel (right side) next to the fuselage
>>skin limits the visability of some of my Switches /
>>Circuit Breakers on F8101.
>>
>>Appreciate any ideas and any pictures would be welcome
>>too !!!!
>>
>>Thanks, Garey Wittich Santa Monica, CA (310)
>>392-1682
>>
>>
>>__________________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
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Jim, thanks for the help. I agree with the process you described. It is simi
lar to the way I set up my 601 XL panel a couple years back. On my 8a though
I plan to use a Dyon 180 and place it center line which does not leave much
room either left or right. That is why I wanted to see photos of how all th
e other fellows set theirs' up. Do you know anybody with an 8 that's flying
the Dyon 180 unit ? I don't think the 8a=C2-has the "Z" bar you mentioned,
at least I didn't install one. More dammed stuff I missed ?? Ha. Best regar
ds, Bill of Georgia
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-----Original Message-----
From: James Gray <n747jg@earthlink.net>
Sent: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 2:26 pm
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
Bill,=C2-
My recommendation is to use your instrument panel from the kit as a template
, and make a full size drawing on cardboard. =C2- Use Van=99s parts
to draw in the flange areas of the supports that will be overlapping behind
the panel. =C2- These are areas that you have to avoid when laying out loc
ations for your instruments.=C2- =C2- You also will have to leave cleara
nce=C2- for brackets to support your radio stack, GPS, etc. =C2- And may
be most importantly of all, the =98z=99 bar support behind the p
anel has to be dealt with, long items like radios and transponders must be o
riented in your panel to miss the =98z=99 bar.=C2- I'm assumin
g the -8A has the same situation as my -8.
Decide what you think you want in your panel and make cardboard cutouts the
exact dimensions of each, and start moving them around. =C2- Think about h
ow you fly, and how comfortable and=C2-accessible each switch is, as you a
re flying.=C2- =C2-
And that brings me to my pet peeve,=C2- and this will probably draw the ir
e of several builders, but the RV-8 essentially is designed as any center li
ne military airplane would be designed, the stick is in the right hand and t
he throttle is in the left. =C2- As a result, the free hand is the left ha
nd.=C2- Military designers try to lay out switches so the right hand NEVER
has to leave the stick during periods of high work load. =C2-
In my humble opinion, the biggest mistake builders make in a tandem airplane
panel layout, is trying to go back to their roots, i.e. Cessna/ Piper, with
the radio stack on the right side of the pilot. =C2- But in an RV-8, this
is just the opposite of what you want. =C2- You fly with your right hand,
so the instruments that require the most tending should be located on the l
eft side. =C2- On an airplane as simple as an RV-8, there aren=99t m
any items that require much attention,=C2- comm radio, flap switch, and th
e intercom are the big ones that should be located on the left. =C2- You d
on=99t want to be switching hands from right to left every time you ne
ed to change a frequency or adjust the squelch on the intercom during the ta
ke off roll. =C2-
Panel space is an issue, and everything can=99t go on the left side.
=C2- I put the GPS on the right, and my autopilot. =C2- Items that I hop
e to be using while I=99m cruising, and not during times of high workl
oad. =C2-
Hope that helps,
Jim=C2-
n747jg@earthlink.net
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On Oct 18, 2007, at 9:43 AM, japhillipsga@aol.com wrote:
Fellow RV-8 builders, I to am at the panel layout planning stage for my 8A.
Is there a site somewhere with just RV-8 instrument panel layouts ? Or a sit
e with a bunch of panel photos for 8s that would be helpful ? Just unpacked
my finish and FWF kits last night and can see the the light. Christmas in Oc
tober ! Hope to hear from you all. Best regards, Bill of Georgia
do not archive
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Sent: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 2:57 am
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1. 06:05 PM - Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location (Garey Wittich)
2. 06:40 PM - Re: Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location (Terry Watson)
_______________________________ Message 1 ________________________________
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ime: 06:05:18 PM PST US
rom: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000@yahoo.com>
ubject: RV8-List: Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location
reetings:
Have RV8-"A". Instr. Panel space ALL used up. Has
nybody mounted their Pilot's Eyeball Cooling Vent
ome place other than on the Instr Panel ???
Below Instr Panel (left side) above Throttle Quadrant
an cause inter- ference with Quadrant Levers.
Below center of Instr Panel (between my legs) can
ause interference with the Control Stick.
Below Instr Panel (right side) next to the fuselage
kin limits the visability of some of my Switches /
ircuit Breakers on F8101.
Appreciate any ideas and any pictures would be welcome
oo !!!!
Thanks, Garey Wittich Santa Monica, CA (310)
92-1682
_________________________________________________
_______________________________ Message 2 ________________________________
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ime: 06:40:30 PM PST US
rom: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
ubject: RE: RV8-List: Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location
mounted mine below the instrument panel on the left side, forward of the
uadrant and also a little forward of the instrument panel. I also mounted
ull cable controls there for the fuel cut-off, an oil cooler bypass, and an
lternate air bypass to the air cleaner.
It all hanger-flies pretty well. It will be a while before it gets tested in
he air.
Terry
V-8A #80729 wiring
eattle
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rom: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garey Wittich
ent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 6:04 PM
ubject: RV8-List: Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location
reetings:
Have RV8-"A". Instr. Panel space ALL used up. Has
nybody mounted their Pilot's Eyeball Cooling Vent
ome place other than on the Instr Panel ???
Below Instr Panel (left side) above Throttle Quadrant
an cause inter- ference with Quadrant Levers.
Below center of Instr Panel (between my legs) can
ause interference with the Control Stick.
Below Instr Panel (right side) next to the fuselage
kin limits the visability of some of my Switches /
ircuit Breakers on F8101.
Appreciate any ideas and any pictures would be welcome
oo !!!!
Thanks, Garey Wittich Santa Monica, CA (310)
92-1682
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Chris, thanks for the information, Bill
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Lynch <lynch66@msn.com>
Sent: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 3:31 pm
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
?
www.epanelbuilder.com?
Chris,?
RV8 builder (N181CL)?
Nashua, NH?
?
>From: "Al Grajek" <algrajek@msn.com>?
>To: rv8-list@matronics.com?
>Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel?
>Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 12:19:47 -0400?
>?
>?
>There is a free website where you can actually design your panel for free. >The
trouble is I cant remember what it is! Try searching the RV List >archives.
Also Go to vans Air Force.net and chek it out. They have a >section of panel pictures.?
>Al Grajek?
>RV8?
>Lexington, Ky?
>?
>?
>>From: japhillipsga@aol.com?
>>To: rv8-list@matronics.com?
>>Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel?
>>Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:43:14 -0400?
>>?
>>Fellow RV-8 builders, I to am at the panel layout planning stage for my >>8A.
Is there a site somewhere with just RV-8 instrument panel layouts ? Or >>a site
with a bunch of panel photos for 8s that would be helpful ? Just >>unpacked
my finish and FWF kits last night and can see the the light. >>Christmas in October
! Hope to hear from you all. Best regards, Bill of >>Georgia?
>>do not archive?
>>?
>>-----Original Message-----?
>>From: RV8-List Digest Server <rv8-list@matronics.com>?
>>To: RV8-List Digest List <rv8-list-digest@matronics.com>?
>>Sent: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 2:57 am?
>>Subject: RV8-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 10/16/07?
>>?
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>>two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted?
>>in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes?
>>and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version?
>>of the RV8-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor?
>>such as Notepad or with a web browser.?
>>?
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>>----------------------?
>>?
>> 1. 06:05 PM - Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location (Garey Wittich)?
>> 2. 06:40 PM - Re: Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location (Terry >>Watson)?
>>?
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>>?
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>>Time: 06:05:18 PM PST US?
>>From: Garey Wittich <gareywittich2000@yahoo.com>?
>>Subject: RV8-List: Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location?
>>?
>>?
>>Greetings:?
>>?
>>Have RV8-"A". Instr. Panel space ALL used up. Has?
>>anybody mounted their Pilot's Eyeball Cooling Vent?
>>some place other than on the Instr Panel ????
>>?
>>Below Instr Panel (left side) above Throttle Quadrant?
>>can cause inter- ference with Quadrant Levers.?
>>?
>>Below center of Instr Panel (between my legs) can?
>>cause interference with the Control Stick.?
>>?
>>Below Instr Panel (right side) next to the fuselage?
>>skin limits the visability of some of my Switches /?
>>Circuit Breakers on F8101.?
>>?
>>Appreciate any ideas and any pictures would be welcome?
>>too !!!!?
>>?
>>Thanks, Garey Wittich Santa Monica, CA (310)?
>>392-1682?
>>?
>>?
>>__________________________________________________?
>>?
>>?
>>________________________________ Message 2 >>_____________________________________?
>>?
>>?
>>Time: 06:40:30 PM PST US?
>>From: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>?
>>Subject: RE: RV8-List: Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location?
>>?
>>?
>>I mounted mine below the instrument panel on the left side, forward of the?
>>quadrant and also a little forward of the instrument panel. I also mounted?
>>pull cable controls there for the fuel cut-off, an oil cooler bypass, and >>an?
>>alternate air bypass to the air cleaner.?
>>?
>>It all hanger-flies pretty well. It will be a while before it gets tested >>in?
>>the air.?
>>?
>>Terry?
>>RV-8A #80729 wiring?
>>Seattle?
>>?
>>-----Original Message-----?
>>From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com?
>>[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garey Wittich?
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 6:04 PM?
>>Subject: RV8-List: Pilot Eyeball Cooling Vent Location?
>>?
>>?
>>Greetings:?
>>?
>>Have RV8-"A". Instr. Panel space ALL used up. Has?
>>anybody mounted their Pilot's Eyeball Cooling Vent?
>>some place other than on the Instr Panel ????
>>?
>>Below Instr Panel (left side) above Throttle Quadrant?
>>can cause inter- ference with Quadrant Levers.?
>>?
>>Below center of Instr Panel (between my legs) can?
>>cause interference with the Control Stick.?
>>?
>>Below Instr Panel (right side) next to the fuselage?
>>skin limits the visability of some of my Switches /?
>>Circuit Breakers on F8101.?
>>?
>>Appreciate any ideas and any pictures would be welcome?
>>too !!!!?
>>?
>>Thanks, Garey Wittich Santa Monica, CA (310)?
>>392-1682?
>>?
>>?
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[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Gray
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
And that brings me to my pet peeve, and this will probably draw the ire of
several builders, but the RV-8 essentially is designed as any center line
military airplane would be designed, the stick is in the right hand and the
throttle is in the left. As a result, the free hand is the left hand.
Military designers try to lay out switches so the right hand NEVER has to
leave the stick during periods of high work load.
Jim
Jim: I appreciate your viewpoint on control layout and I do not quarrel
with it. That said, I am not persuaded by your argument. My -8 will
resemble my -4 which has the com radio and transponder on the right along
with exterior light switches. With the -4 it turns out that when I reach
for a knob or switch with my right hand, somehow, as if by magic, my left
hand is on the stick. Vice versa if necessary for urgent attention to
throttle or prop. In panel center are GRT EFIS Sport above and Garmin 496
below. The Trio EZ pilot replaces the turn and slip.
Gordon Comfort
N363GC
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I will try to attach a pdf file of version #79 (really) of the instrument
panel for my RV-8A. The reason for the relatively blank space on the right
is that the CPU for the BlueMountain EFIS/one sits behind the panel and
limits the depth there. This also gets all the radios and virtually all of
the in-flight switches and controls over near the throttle quadrant for my
left hand. The angle of attack indicator mounts in a composite enclosure on
top of the instrument panel. I have 2-1/4" asi, altimeter, vsi and TruTrak's
pictorial pilot 2 on the left side of the EFIS. Note that even though the
EFIS is quite a bit off-center, the attitude and heading indicator parts of
the screen are less than 2" from the centerline.
Criticisms welcome, but be nice. I can always do versions #80 and up, right
up until I start cutting the final one.
Terry
RV-8A wiring
Seattle
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[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon or Marge
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:03 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Gray
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
And that brings me to my pet peeve, and this will probably draw the ire of
several builders, but the RV-8 essentially is designed as any center line
military airplane would be designed, the stick is in the right hand and the
throttle is in the left. As a result, the free hand is the left hand.
Military designers try to lay out switches so the right hand NEVER has to
leave the stick during periods of high work load.
Jim
Jim: I appreciate your viewpoint on control layout and I do not quarrel
with it. That said, I am not persuaded by your argument. My -8 will
resemble my -4 which has the com radio and transponder on the right along
with exterior light switches. With the -4 it turns out that when I reach
for a knob or switch with my right hand, somehow, as if by magic, my left
hand is on the stick. Vice versa if necessary for urgent attention to
throttle or prop. In panel center are GRT EFIS Sport above and Garmin 496
below. The Trio EZ pilot replaces the turn and slip.
Gordon Comfort
N363GC
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Bill of Georgia,
John Rotunda of Kit-panels.com built my panel and he did really nice work.
Great guy, honest, friendly and reasonable. Go to his website and check it out.
He'll help you disign one if you don't like his offerings.
Dennis of Texas
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