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2. 08:35 AM - Re: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel (japhillipsga@aol.com)
3. 09:47 AM - Re: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel (Terry Watson)
4. 10:59 AM - Re: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel (Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training)
5. 02:40 PM - Re: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel (Chris Lynch)
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Terry, thanks for the drawing, looks like you have put a lot of thought and
things forward. Do you have any concerns about bumping toggle switches at bo
ttom of panel with feet, pants cuffs and such,=C2-getting in or out ? I kn
ow on my 601 XL panel the stand in the seat, squat and thrust feet forward m
aneuver needed to get in and seated makes having clearance an issue. Having
never been in an 8, other than setting in my own making motor noises, I'm no
t sure I won't want some of the lesser used items over on the right console.
I also dislike switching hands off the stick and the need to do so almost a
lways is at a time I need most positive control. Is the Blue Mountain EFIS a
bout the same size as the Dyon 180 ? I am wondering if I need all the back u
p steam gages? Why do you have them planned? Are they mandatory?=C2-=C2
-Lastly, I did not notice a compass. Is it mounted on top ? Thanks again a
nd best regards, Bill of Georgia
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From: Terry Watson <terry@tcwatson.com>
Sent: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 9:42 pm
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
I will try to attach a pdf file of version #79 (really) of the instrument pa
nel for my RV-8A. The reason for the relatively blank space on the right is
that the CPU for the BlueMountain EFIS/one sits behind the panel and limits
the depth there. This also gets all the radios and virtually all of the in-f
light switches and controls over near the throttle quadrant for my left hand
. The angle of attack indicator mounts in a composite enclosure on top of th
e instrument panel. I have 2-1/4=9D asi, altimeter, vsi and TruTrak
=99s pictorial pilot 2 on the left side of the EFIS. Note that even th
ough the EFIS is quite a bit off-center, the attitude and heading indicator
parts of the screen are less than 2=9D from the centerline.
=C2-
Criticisms welcome, but be nice. I can always do versions #80 and up, right
up until I start cutting the final one.
=C2-
Terry
RV-8A wiring
Seattle
=C2-
=C2-
From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matr
onics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon or Marge
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:03 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
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From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matr
onics.com] On Behalf Of James Gray
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
=C2-
And that brings me to my pet peeve,=C2- and this will probably draw the ir
e of several builders, but the RV-8 essentially is designed as any center li
ne military airplane would be designed, the stick is in the right hand and t
he throttle is in the left. =C2- As a result, the free hand is the left ha
nd.=C2- Military designers try to lay out switches so the right hand NEVER
has to leave the stick during periods of high work load. =C2-
=C2-
=C2-
Jim=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
Jim:=C2- I appreciate your viewpoint on control layout and I do not quarre
l with it.=C2- That said, I am not persuaded by your argument.=C2- My -8
will resemble my -4 which has the com radio and transponder on the right al
ong with exterior light switches.=C2- With the -4 it turns out that when I
reach for a knob or switch with my right hand, somehow, as if by magic, my
left hand is on the stick.=C2-Vice versa=C2-if necessary for urgent atte
ntion to throttle or prop.=C2- In panel center are GRT EFIS Sport above an
d Garmin 496 below.=C2- The=C2-Trio EZ pilot replaces the turn and slip.
=C2-
=C2-
Gordon Comfort
N363GC=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
=C2-
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Dennis, thanks, I'll take a look see. BofG
do noat archive
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From: DONKEYVET@aol.com
Sent: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:46 pm
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
Bill of Georgia,
?
John Rotunda of Kit-panels.com built my panel and he did really nice work. Great
guy, honest, friendly and reasonable. Go to his website and check it out. He'll
help you disign one if you don't like his offerings.
?
Dennis of Texas
See w
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| Subject: | Re: RV8-Instrument Panel |
Bill,
Your point about bumping the toggle switches at the bottom of the panel is a
good one. I discovered that problem while climbing in and out of the cockpit
with an earlier version. It will be pretty easy to protect the switches, but
I haven't resolved just how to do it yet.
My guess is that the Blue Mountain EFIS/one screen is bigger than the Dynon.
It's a 10.4" display, surrounded by a bezel with switches on the wrong
(right) side.
The reason I have all the steam gauges is that I didn't trust the EFIS/one.
I have been building this project for a long time and bought one of the very
early Blue Mountain designs. Glass cockpits have pretty much proven
themselves since then, but I still liked the idea of having the essential
steam gauges if the EFIS went south. I now think it is overdone, especially
with the track record of companies like Dynon and most especially if it is a
VFR only airplane.
The compass is going to have to go on top of the glare shield. I couldn't
find a place in the panel that would work.
Terry
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[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
japhillipsga@aol.com
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
Terry, thanks for the drawing, looks like you have put a lot of thought and
things forward. Do you have any concerns about bumping toggle switches at
bottom of panel with feet, pants cuffs and such, getting in or out ? I know
on my 601 XL panel the stand in the seat, squat and thrust feet forward
maneuver needed to get in and seated makes having clearance an issue. Having
never been in an 8, other than setting in my own making motor noises, I'm
not sure I won't want some of the lesser used items over on the right
console. I also dislike switching hands off the stick and the need to do so
almost always is at a time I need most positive control. Is the Blue
Mountain EFIS about the same size as the Dyon 180 ? I am wondering if I need
all the back up steam gages? Why do you have them planned? Are they
mandatory? Lastly, I did not notice a compass. Is it mounted on top ?
Thanks again and best regards, Bill of Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: RV8-Instrument Panel |
Switch guards might solve the problem of snagging.
Note the attached pix of MiG-21 (right console panel) and MiG-23 second
email due to size of jpg file(to the right of the red marked switch).
Little U shaped guards riveted either side of the switch permit finger
access but generally guard against snagging, as in when climbing in and
out.
Gail Peck
USAF Weapons School
RV-8 Builder (new guy - tail almost done)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
japhillipsga@aol.com
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
Terry, thanks for the drawing, looks like you have put a lot of thought
and things forward. Do you have any concerns about bumping toggle
switches at bottom of panel with feet, pants cuffs and such, getting in
or out ? I know on my 601 XL panel the stand in the seat, squat and
thrust feet forward maneuver needed to get in and seated makes having
clearance an issue. Having never been in an 8, other than setting in my
own making motor noises, I'm not sure I won't want some of the lesser
used items over on the right console. I also dislike switching hands off
the stick and the need to do so almost always is at a time I need most
positive control. Is the Blue Mountain EFIS about the same size as the
Dyon 180 ? I am wondering if I need all the back up steam gages? Why do
you have them planned? Are they mandatory? Lastly, I did not notice a
compass. Is it mounted on top ? Thanks again and best regards, Bill of
Georgia
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Watson <terry@tcwatson.com>
Sent: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 9:42 pm
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
I will try to attach a pdf file of version #79 (really) of the
instrument panel for my RV-8A. The reason for the relatively blank space
on the right is that the CPU for the BlueMountain EFIS/one sits behind
the panel and limits the depth there. This also gets all the radios and
virtually all of the in-flight switches and controls over near the
throttle quadrant for my left hand. The angle of attack indicator mounts
in a composite enclosure on top of the instrument panel. I have 2-1/4"
asi, altimeter, vsi and TruTrak's pictorial pilot 2 on the left side of
the EFIS. Note that even though the EFIS is quite a bit off-center, the
attitude and heading indicator parts of the screen are less than 2" from
the centerline.
Criticisms welcome, but be nice. I can always do versions #80 and up,
right up until I start cutting the final one.
Terry
RV-8A wiring
Seattle
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From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com?> ] On Behalf Of Gordon or
Marge
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:03 PM
Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com?> ] On Behalf Of James Gray
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:26 PM
To: rv8-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
And that brings me to my pet peeve, and this will probably draw
the ire of several builders, but the RV-8 essentially is designed as any
center line military airplane would be designed, the stick is in the
right hand and the throttle is in the left. As a result, the free hand
is the left hand. Military designers try to lay out switches so the
right hand NEVER has to leave the stick during periods of high work
load.
Jim
Jim: I appreciate your viewpoint on control layout and I do not
quarrel with it. That said, I am not persuaded by your argument. My -8
will resemble my -4 which has the com radio and transponder on the right
along with exterior light switches. With the -4 it turns out that when
I reach for a knob or switch with my right hand, somehow, as if by
magic, my left hand is on the stick. Vice versa if necessary for urgent
attention to throttle or prop. In panel center are GRT EFIS Sport above
and Garmin 496 below. The Trio EZ pilot replaces the turn and slip.
Gordon Comfort
N363GC
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| Subject: | Re: RV8-Instrument Panel |
Bill,
Take a look at the switch guards offered here;
http://www.periheliondesign.com/switchguards.htm
Chris
>From: japhillipsga@aol.com
>To: rv8-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
>Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 11:03:23 -0400
>
>Terry, thanks for the drawing, looks like you have put a lot of thought and
>things forward. Do you have any concerns about bumping toggle switches at
>bottom of panel with feet, pants cuffs and such,getting in or out ? I
>know on my 601 XL panel the stand in the seat, squat and thrust feet
>forward maneuver needed to get in and seated makes having clearance an
>issue. Having never been in an 8, other than setting in my own making motor
>noises, I'm not sure I won't want some of the lesser used items over on the
>right console. I also dislike switching hands off the stick and the need to
>do so almost always is at a time I need most positive control. Is the Blue
>Mountain EFIS about the same size as the Dyon 180 ? I am wondering if I
>need all the back up steam gages? Why do you have them planned? Are they
>mandatory?Lastly, I did not notice a compass. Is it mounted on top ?
>Thanks again and best regards, Bill of Georgia
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Terry Watson <terry@tcwatson.com>
>To: rv8-list@matronics.com
>Sent: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 9:42 pm
>Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
>
>
>I will try to attach a pdf file of version #79 (really) of the instrument
>panel for my RV-8A. The reason for the relatively blank space on the right
>is that the CPU for the BlueMountain EFIS/one sits behind the panel and
>limits the depth there. This also gets all the radios and virtually all of
>the in-flight switches and controls over near the throttle quadrant for my
>left hand. The angle of attack indicator mounts in a composite enclosure on
>top of the instrument panel. I have 2-1/4 asi, altimeter, vsi and
>TruTraks pictorial pilot 2 on the left side of the EFIS. Note that even
>though the EFIS is quite a bit off-center, the attitude and heading
>indicator parts of the screen are less than 2 from the centerline.
>
>
>Criticisms welcome, but be nice. I can always do versions #80 and up, right
>up until I start cutting the final one.
>
>
>Terry
>
>RV-8A wiring
>
>Seattle
>
>
>From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon or Marge
>Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:03 PM
>To: rv8-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Gray
>Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:26 PM
>To: rv8-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8-Instrument Panel
>
>
>And that brings me to my pet peeve, and this will probably draw the ire
>of several builders, but the RV-8 essentially is designed as any center
>line military airplane would be designed, the stick is in the right hand
>and the throttle is in the left. As a result, the free hand is the left
>hand. Military designers try to lay out switches so the right hand NEVER
>has to leave the stick during periods of high work load.
>
>
>Jim
>
>
>Jim: I appreciate your viewpoint on control layout and I do not quarrel
>with it. That said, I am not persuaded by your argument. My -8 will
>resemble my -4 which has the com radio and transponder on the right along
>with exterior light switches. With the -4 it turns out that when I reach
>for a knob or switch with my right hand, somehow, as if by magic, my left
>hand is on the stick.Vice versaif necessary for urgent attention to
>throttle or prop. In panel center are GRT EFIS Sport above and Garmin 496
>below. TheTrio EZ pilot replaces the turn and slip.
>
>
>Gordon Comfort
>
>
>N363GC
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
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