---------------------------------------------------------- RV8-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/25/09: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:08 AM - Re: Re: RV-8 Canopy Removal (John Ciolino) 2. 04:03 AM - Re: RV-8 Canopy Removal (Speedy11@aol.com) 3. 04:06 AM - Re: Dralle Scratches (Speedy11@aol.com) 4. 09:24 AM - Re: Re: Dralle Scratches (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:08:33 AM PST US From: "John Ciolino" Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV-8 Canopy Removal Stan, My canopy skirt also hit the VS and I had to trim the trailing edge some to make sure it did not hit. I trimmed enough to be able to slide the nylon attachment bracket off the rail. Of course that meant the initial fit the canopy skirt at the aft end no longer worked and I had to reposition it. (Do over - the story of my building life.) Once you trim enough to be able to remove the canopy you also want to install the empennage fairing (temporarily) to the VS and make sure the skirt does not hit that is everyday use. That should not be a problem. As someone else mentioned, you need install the canopy latch. You will find that the canopy latch handle will hit the aft fuselage bulkhead and a stop has to be installed in the canopy rail to prevent this. This also limits how far back the skirt will travel. The amount of travel you need to clear the empennage fairing in everyday use is less than if you want to remove the canopy. In order to remove my finished canopy without removing the nylon slider, I have to remove the empennage fairing, lift the front of the canopy just enough to pull the rollers out and I can then slide the nylon bracket off the rail. It is a 2 person job. John Ciolino Working on final assembly. From: Speedy11@aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 11:24 AM Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV-8 Canopy Removal Bill, No kidding. I've made a carrier for the canopy also and it works great. But, as I was removing the canopy yesterday with the skirt temporarily clamped in place, the trailing edge of the skirt hit the rudder before the nylon attachment bracket reached the end of the slider track! I was very surprised and wondered if others had experienced the same thing. I guess not. I'll take another look at it today and see if I'm doing something wrong. Thanks, Stan www.rv-8a.net Stan, your kidding right? Just slide it rearward until it gets to the end of the track, lift the front off the roller stubs and then slid it rearward some more until the nylon attachment bracket passes the slide rail. Then lift it off. Its not much of a problem until you get the skirts on. Then getting it off is about the same, but you cannot set it on a table as before because the thin fiberglass skirts extend below the frame and should not be allowed to support the weight of the canopy. I made a special bench to support the canopy on the normal three points. Best regards, Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:03:04 AM PST US From: Speedy11@aol.com Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV-8 Canopy Removal My sincere appreciation to all who replied. Great ideas which made me think. John, I hadn't even considered your idea of pulling the pin in the Delrin block - great idea. thanks. I am going to put a stop at the aft limit of the side rails to keep the canopy from banging at the back. I had heard of machining the slot in the slider rail, but didn't want to do that unless required. Thanks again to everyone. The net is such an asset for us. It's hard to imagine building in, say, 1950 when even telephones were not common. The early builders were real aviation pioneers. Stan Sutterfield Stan, I just pull the pin on the UHMW/Delrin slide block and lift straight off. I have seen a few that machined off the sides of the slide rail at the rear so that once they pull the front bolts or pins, slide to the back, they can just lift straight up and off. Most folks put a short piece of wood/dowel/or whatever in the left or right slide to keep the canopy from going all the way to the rear in order to keep the handle from hitting at the rear, so in normal operation, the canopy never actually gets to the very rear of the slide. Then when you are ready to remove it, pull the front bolts, slide back to the machined out area of the slide and then lift up. Clear as mud? sorry don't have a picture. As I said, I didn't want to cut the slide, so I go to the trouble of pulling the pin in the UHMW/Delrin block so it stays on the rail when I pull the canopy. Hope that helps. John **************Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall00000002) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:06:51 AM PST US From: Speedy11@aol.com Subject: RV8-List: Re: Dralle Scratches Matt, I didn't read all the way through your log to see if you solved the windscreen scratch problem, but should you decide to replace the windscreen, don't buy a new canopy. I've got a Van's canopy that cracked about halfway back and the windscreen portion is fine - in fact, it's already trimmed to fit. How about $50 + shipping? Or better yet, you pay shipping and we'll make it my donation to next years Matronics fund raising effort. If Matt doesn't need it and someone else on the net needs a windscreen, let me know. Stan Sutterfield Daytona Beach, FL Here are a bunch of pictures of my RV-8 installation. Be sure to cycle though all the various entries including the skirt installation after the scratch removal section **************Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall00000002) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:24:10 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: Dralle Scratches Hi Stan, Thank you for the generous offer! However, turns out that I later got a huge crack in the rear part of the canopy and had to buy a whole new one too... :-( For as totally sweet as the new Pre-Punched kits go together, I have to say that this archaic canopy design really needs to be updated. I'd pay an extra $1000 to have a canopy that was already perfectly cut to size. Oh, wait, I already did... ;-/ Matt At 04:05 AM 1/25/2009 Sunday, you wrote: >Matt, >I didn't read all the way through your log to see if you solved the windscreen scratch problem, but should you decide to replace the windscreen, don't buy a new canopy. I've got a Van's canopy that cracked about halfway back and the windscreen portion is fine - in fact, it's already trimmed to fit. How about $50 + shipping? Or better yet, you pay shipping and we'll make it my donation to next years Matronics fund raising effort. >If Matt doesn't need it and someone else on the net needs a windscreen, let me know. >Stan Sutterfield >Daytona Beach, FL > >Here are a bunch of pictures of my RV-8 installation. 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