---------------------------------------------------------- RV8-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 05/07/09: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:22 AM - Re: RV8-List Digest: Dynon & Transponders (japhillipsga@aol.com) 2. 08:49 AM - Re: Re: RV8-List Digest: Dynon & Transponders (Heath Cherneski) 3. 09:58 AM - Re: Re: RV8-List Digest: Dynon & Transponders (japhillipsga@aol.com) 4. 10:20 AM - Re: Re: RV8-List Digest: Dynon & Transponders (Craig Gallenbach) 5. 10:52 AM - Lights (Kopp, Kenneth G CDR HSM-70, N0 Exec Staff) 6. 12:08 PM - Re: Re: RV8-List Digest: Dynon & Transponders (japhillipsga@aol.com) 7. 02:03 PM - Re: Lights (Matt Dralle) 8. 02:30 PM - Re: Lights (james d winkler) 9. 04:19 PM - Re: Lights (Don McNamara) 10. 06:14 PM - Re: Lights (Matt Dralle) 11. 06:17 PM - Re: Lights (Matt Dralle) 12. 06:33 PM - Re: Lights (Robin Marks) 13. 07:09 PM - Re: Lights (Matt Dralle) 14. 08:30 PM - Re: Lights (Robin Marks) 15. 08:40 PM - Re: Lights (Don McNamara) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:12 AM PST US Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: Dynon & Transponders From: japhillipsga@aol.com Hello good folks, I am going?to buy a transponder for my RV-8a. My concerns are that I plan to install a D100 & D120 with AP in my panel and I'm unsure which transponders are not compatible. Anybody know where I can find this out? Best regards, Bill of Georgia -----Original Message----- From: RV8-List Digest Server Sent: Thu, 7 May 2009 2:58 am Subject: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 05/06/09 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete RV8-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the RV8-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. 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Specifically how they integrated it with the cabin area carpet piece. I'm thinking of just a square hole cut out around the parameter of the foot well, then adding some sort of insert into the foot well itself. That's a lot of weird angles, though. Thanks! Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 Ah, Carpet Pattern Making... ================================== ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:21 AM PST US From: "Heath Cherneski" Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: Dynon & Transponders Bill, I have the d-100, d-120 combo and a garmin 327. works great. I think it will be a challenge to find a transponder that won't work with dynon stuff. garmin transponder is a great piece of equipment by the way and reasonably priced. Good luck Heath Cherneski heath.cherneski@gmail.com hchernes@utsi.edu heath.cherneski@us.army.mil _____ From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of japhillipsga@aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: Dynon & Transponders Hello good folks, I am going to buy a transponder for my RV-8a. My concerns are that I plan to install a D100 & D120 with AP in my panel and I'm unsure which transponders are not compatible. Anybody know where I can find this out? Best regards, Bill of Georgia -----Original Message----- From: RV8-List Digest Server Sent: Thu, 7 May 2009 2:58 am Subject: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 05/06/09 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete RV8-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the RV8-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701 &View=html&Chapter 09-05-06&Archive=RV8 Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701 &View=txt&Chapter 09-05-06&Archive=RV8 =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- RV8-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/06/09: 1 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:54 PM - Carpet Pattern Ideas For RV-8 Foot wells... (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:54:46 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV8-List: Carpet Pattern Ideas For RV-8 Foot wells... Does anyone have some ideas and/or pictures of how they carpeted the passenger foot wells on their RV-8? Specifically how they integrated it with the cabin area carpet piece. I'm thinking of just a square hole cut out around the parameter of the foot well, then adding some sort of insert into the foot well itself. That's a lot of weird angles, though. Thanks! Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 Ah, Carpet Pattern Making... ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:58:16 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: Dynon & Transponders From: japhillipsga@aol.com Heath, thanks for the info. I'm not familiar with the 327, but I'll look it up. I have a KY 76 in my XL that I fly now that is not fancy, but serv es the purpose. I'm going to install the cheapest transponder I can find in my 8a. The two Dynon system you have, do you have the AP system with is as well ? I think that is a great leap forward in glasss. I am waiting for my 0-360 and prop to arrive (early June) that I purchased through Van s at SnF so I'm making my shopping list for the panel. I think Dynon is th e best pop for the buck. Thanks, Bill -----Original Message----- From: Heath Cherneski Sent: Thu, 7 May 2009 11:46 am Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: Dynon & Transponders Bill, I have the d-100, d-120 combo and a garmin 327.=C2- works great.=C2- I think it will be a challenge to find a transponder that won=99t work with dynon stuff.=C2- garmin transponder is a great piece of equip ment by the way and reasonably priced.=C2- Good luck =C2- Heath Cherneski heath.cherneski@gmail.com hchernes@utsi.edu heath.cherneski@us.army.mil =C2- =C2- From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@ma tronics.com] On Behalf Of japhillipsga@aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: Dynon & Transponders =C2- Hello good folks, I am going=C2-to buy a transponder for my RV-8a. My co ncerns are that I plan to install20a D100 & D120 with AP in my panel and I'm unsure which transponders are not compatible. Anybody know where I ca n find this out? 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That's a lot of weird angles, though. =C2- Thanks! =C2- Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 Ah, Carpet Pattern Making... =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- http://www.matronics.com/Nav igator?RV8-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- ======================== =========== -= - The RV8-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== ======================== =========== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ======================== =========== ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:20:44 AM PST US From: Craig Gallenbach Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: Dynon & Transponders Bill, - I have a D100 & D120 in my 8A with a Garmin GTX 327.- They play well toge ther.- - I believe the installation manual listed several compatible xpndrs.- When in doubt, call Dynon.- They were very responsive when I called them for info. - Craig Gallenbach RV8A 184CG- 58 hours --- On Thu, 5/7/09, japhillipsga@aol.com wrote: From: japhillipsga@aol.com Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: Dynon & Transponders Hello good folks, I am going-to buy a transponder for my RV-8a. My concer ns are that I plan to install a D100 & D120 with AP in my panel and I'm uns ure which transponders are not compatible. Anybody know where I can find th is out? Best regards, Bill of Georgia -----Original Message----- From: RV8-List Digest Server Sent: Thu, 7 May 2009 2:58 am Subject: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 05/06/09 * ======================== Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ======================== Today's complete RV8-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the RV8-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=htm l&Chapter 09-05-06&Archive=RV8 Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt &Chapter 09-05-06&Archive=RV8 ======================== ======================= EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive ======================== ======================= ---------------------------------------------------------- RV8-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/06/09: 1 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:54 PM - Carpet Pattern Ideas For RV-8 Foot wells... (Matt Drall e) ________________________________ Message 1 ______________________________ _______ Time: 08:54:46 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV8-List: Carpet Pattern Ideas For RV-8 Foot wells... Does anyone have some ideas and/or pictures of how they carpeted the passen ger foot wells on their RV-8? Specifically how they integrated it with the cab in area carpet piece. I'm thinking of just a square hole cut out around the parameter of the foot well, then adding some sort of insert into the foot well itself .. That's a lot of weird angles, though. Thanks! Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 Ah, Carpet Pattern Making... ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:52:05 AM PST US Subject: RV8-List: Lights From: "Kopp, Kenneth G CDR HSM-70, N0 Exec Staff" Fellow RV8 builders - This is my first post (not sure it will even go through?). I'm complete with Emp/Wings, awaiting my fuselage kit (mid June). Looking at lighting options I'm shocked at the cost of postion/strob lights, particularly the LED type. Has anyone considered or is currently using automotive LED lighting? Any other low cost options out there? Thanks! Ken ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:08:17 PM PST US Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: Dynon & Transponders From: japhillipsga@aol.com Craig, thanks for the info. do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Craig Gallenbach Sent: Thu, 7 May 2009 1:16 pm Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: Dynon & Transponders Bill, ? I have a D100 & D120 in my 8A with a Garmin GTX 327.? They play well together.? ? I believe the installation manual listed several compatible xpndrs.? When in doubt, call Dynon.? They were very responsive when I called them for info. ? Craig Gallenbach RV8A 184CG? 58 hours --- On Thu, 5/7/09, japhillipsga@aol.com wrote: From: japhillipsga@aol.com Subject: RV8-List: Re: RV8-List Digest: Dynon & Transponders Hello good folks, I am going?to buy a transponder for my RV-8a. My concerns are that I plan to install a D100 & D120 with AP in my panel and I'm unsure which transponders are not compatible. Anybody know where I can find this out? Best regards, Bill of Georgia -----Original Message----- From: RV8-List Digest Server Sent: Thu, 7 May 2009 2:58 am Subject: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 05/06/09 * ======================== Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ======================== Today's complete RV8-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the RV8-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 09-05-06&Archive=RV8 Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 09-05-06&Archive=RV8 =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- RV8-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/06/09: 1 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:54 PM - Carpet Pattern Ideas For RV-8 Foot wells... (Matt Dralle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:54:46 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV8-List: Carpet Pattern Ideas For RV-8 Foot wells... Does anyone have some ideas and/or pictures of how they carpeted the passenger foot wells on their RV-8? Specifically how they integrated it with the cabin area carpet piece. I'm thinking of just a square hole cut out around the parameter of the foot well, then adding some sort of insert into the foot well itself. That's a lot of weird angles, though. Thanks! Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 Ah, Carpet Pattern Making... et=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List =nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:03:01 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: RV8-List: Lights At 10:50 AM 5/7/2009 Thursday, you wrote: > Fellow RV8 builders - > >This is my first post (not sure it will even go through?). I'm complete with Emp/Wings, awaiting my fuselage kit (mid June). > >Looking at lighting options I'm shocked at the cost of postion/strob lights, particularly the LED type. > >Has anyone considered or is currently using automotive LED lighting? > >Any other low cost options out there? > >Thanks! > >Ken > Hi Ken and Welcome! Wait until you start shopping for an engine... Try on $20-30k for basically what is a VW Bug engine is enough to rankle anyone. Nothing's cheap in this hobby. And just because its "aircraft quality" doesn't necessarily mean its good quality or worth the premium cost. That's being said, most of the components I've been getting on for the RV-8 project in circa 2009 are better overall quality than the stuff I was getting in circa 1989 for the RV-4 project. More specifically to your question, I think I paid something like $825 for the Whelen 3-strobe setup with integrated incandescent position lights (Van's calls it their "System 6"). Good quality throughout, smaller power supply than the circa 1990s system, and it works as advertised. Another thing to consider when choosing components is the resale implications. If you ever go to sell your plane - finished or not - being able to say that you have all the "standard", "aircraft-grade" components will allow you to demand the highest possible price. I look at it this way. This is a once-in-a-lifetime, $100k-$150k project that I may never get another chance to do in my life. Might as well not compromise on any aspects. My $.02 Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 Laying Out Carpet Patterns in CAD... ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:30:29 PM PST US From: "james d winkler" Subject: Re: RV8-List: Lights matt , when your finished with your carpet patterns , sell me a set...james rv 8 n6830v ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:19:45 PM PST US From: "Don McNamara" Subject: Re: RV8-List: Lights Welcome! Another thing to consider in the realm of strobes/nav lights is the recent revelation on VAF that some people have had their wingtip lenses melt from the heat of the incandescent nav lights (Whelen). I haven't even flown yet and mine are already starting to melt, just from testing them! So, before you whip out your Visa card and order the standard Whelen strobe/nav light kit, consider the new LED nav lights. I'll be buying them to replace my (brand new) incandescents. Harrumph. -- Don McNamara N8RV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Dralle" Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 4:57 PM Subject: Re: RV8-List: Lights > > > At 10:50 AM 5/7/2009 Thursday, you wrote: >> Fellow RV8 builders - >> >>This is my first post (not sure it will even go through?). I'm complete >>with Emp/Wings, awaiting my fuselage kit (mid June). >> >>Looking at lighting options I'm shocked at the cost of postion/strob >>lights, particularly the LED type. >> >>Has anyone considered or is currently using automotive LED lighting? >> >>Any other low cost options out there? >> >>Thanks! >> >>Ken >> > > Hi Ken and Welcome! > > Wait until you start shopping for an engine... Try on $20-30k for > basically what is a VW Bug engine is enough to rankle anyone. Nothing's > cheap in this hobby. And just because its "aircraft quality" doesn't > necessarily mean its good quality or worth the premium cost. That's being > said, most of the components I've been getting on for the RV-8 project in > circa 2009 are better overall quality than the stuff I was getting in > circa 1989 for the RV-4 project. > > More specifically to your question, I think I paid something like $825 for > the Whelen 3-strobe setup with integrated incandescent position lights > (Van's calls it their "System 6"). Good quality throughout, smaller power > supply than the circa 1990s system, and it works as advertised. > > Another thing to consider when choosing components is the resale > implications. If you ever go to sell your plane - finished or not - being > able to say that you have all the "standard", "aircraft-grade" components > will allow you to demand the highest possible price. > > I look at it this way. This is a once-in-a-lifetime, $100k-$150k project > that I may never get another chance to do in my life. Might as well not > compromise on any aspects. > > My $.02 > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 > Laying Out Carpet Patterns in CAD... > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:03 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: RV8-List: Lights At 02:29 PM 5/7/2009 Thursday, you wrote: > >matt , when your finished with your carpet patterns , sell me a set...james rv 8 n6830v No problem. We'll see what we can work out. I'm doing a pretty precise layout, so hopefully the fit will be nearly perfect and more importantly repeatable. Ask me again in a month or so. Matt Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:16 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: RV8-List: Lights Oh great, now you tell me! :-) I wonder what Van's has to say about the melting issue. Sounds like they're using the wrong kind of clear plastic to form the lens. I sure wish that Van's would just go with the older style boss-mount on the tips. Those seemed like the cat's meow in terms of their ease of installation and maintenance aspects. Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 At 04:11 PM 5/7/2009 Thursday, you wrote: > >Welcome! > >Another thing to consider in the realm of strobes/nav lights is the recent revelation on VAF that some people have had their wingtip lenses melt from the heat of the incandescent nav lights (Whelen). > >I haven't even flown yet and mine are already starting to melt, just from testing them! So, before you whip out your Visa card and order the standard Whelen strobe/nav light kit, consider the new LED nav lights. I'll be buying them to replace my (brand new) incandescents. > >Harrumph. > >-- Don McNamara > N8RV > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Dralle" >To: >Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 4:57 PM >Subject: Re: RV8-List: Lights > > >> >> >>At 10:50 AM 5/7/2009 Thursday, you wrote: >>>Fellow RV8 builders - >>> >>>This is my first post (not sure it will even go through?). I'm complete with Emp/Wings, awaiting my fuselage kit (mid June). >>> >>>Looking at lighting options I'm shocked at the cost of postion/strob lights, particularly the LED type. >>> >>>Has anyone considered or is currently using automotive LED lighting? >>> >>>Any other low cost options out there? >>> >>>Thanks! >>> >>>Ken >> >>Hi Ken and Welcome! >> >>Wait until you start shopping for an engine... Try on $20-30k for basically what is a VW Bug engine is enough to rankle anyone. Nothing's cheap in this hobby. And just because its "aircraft quality" doesn't necessarily mean its good quality or worth the premium cost. That's being said, most of the components I've been getting on for the RV-8 project in circa 2009 are better overall quality than the stuff I was getting in circa 1989 for the RV-4 project. >> >>More specifically to your question, I think I paid something like $825 for the Whelen 3-strobe setup with integrated incandescent position lights (Van's calls it their "System 6"). Good quality throughout, smaller power supply than the circa 1990s system, and it works as advertised. >> >>Another thing to consider when choosing components is the resale implications. If you ever go to sell your plane - finished or not - being able to say that you have all the "standard", "aircraft-grade" components will allow you to demand the highest possible price. >> >>I look at it this way. This is a once-in-a-lifetime, $100k-$150k project that I may never get another chance to do in my life. Might as well not compromise on any aspects. >> >>My $.02 >> >>Matt Dralle >>RV-8 #82880 >>Laying Out Carpet Patterns in CAD... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:29 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV8-List: Lights From: "Robin Marks" Just jumping in on this Nav Light conversation. I paid a bundle for my -10 LED nav lights (impregnated on a circuit board). For my 8A I was considering some Green/Red LED Nav lights from eBay. There are a million of them available. Any reason why these will not work? $4.00, Free Shipping! Robin -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McNamara Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 4:12 PM Subject: Re: RV8-List: Lights Welcome! Another thing to consider in the realm of strobes/nav lights is the recent revelation on VAF that some people have had their wingtip lenses melt from the heat of the incandescent nav lights (Whelen). I haven't even flown yet and mine are already starting to melt, just from testing them! So, before you whip out your Visa card and order the standard Whelen strobe/nav light kit, consider the new LED nav lights. I'll be buying them to replace my (brand new) incandescents. Harrumph. -- Don McNamara N8RV ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Dralle" Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 4:57 PM Subject: Re: RV8-List: Lights > > > At 10:50 AM 5/7/2009 Thursday, you wrote: >> Fellow RV8 builders - >> >>This is my first post (not sure it will even go through?). I'm complete >>with Emp/Wings, awaiting my fuselage kit (mid June). >> >>Looking at lighting options I'm shocked at the cost of postion/strob >>lights, particularly the LED type. >> >>Has anyone considered or is currently using automotive LED lighting? >> >>Any other low cost options out there? >> >>Thanks! >> >>Ken >> > > Hi Ken and Welcome! > > Wait until you start shopping for an engine... Try on $20-30k for > basically what is a VW Bug engine is enough to rankle anyone. Nothing's > cheap in this hobby. And just because its "aircraft quality" doesn't > necessarily mean its good quality or worth the premium cost. That's being > said, most of the components I've been getting on for the RV-8 project in > circa 2009 are better overall quality than the stuff I was getting in > circa 1989 for the RV-4 project. > > More specifically to your question, I think I paid something like $825 for > the Whelen 3-strobe setup with integrated incandescent position lights > (Van's calls it their "System 6"). Good quality throughout, smaller power > supply than the circa 1990s system, and it works as advertised. > > Another thing to consider when choosing components is the resale > implications. If you ever go to sell your plane - finished or not - being > able to say that you have all the "standard", "aircraft-grade" components > will allow you to demand the highest possible price. > > I look at it this way. This is a once-in-a-lifetime, $100k-$150k project > that I may never get another chance to do in my life. Might as well not > compromise on any aspects. > > My $.02 > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 > Laying Out Carpet Patterns in CAD... > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 05/07/09 18:05:00 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:09:13 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RE: RV8-List: Lights You'll definitely want to consider the actual brightness of these. I suspect they really aren't that bright when compared to the traditional incandescent lights or even the newer aircraft LED units. Check the lumens. Matt At 06:29 PM 5/7/2009 Thursday, you wrote: >Just jumping in on this Nav Light conversation. >I paid a bundle for my -10 LED nav lights (impregnated on a circuit board). > >For my 8A I was considering some Green/Red LED Nav lights from eBay. There are a million of them available. >Any reason why these will not work? $4.00, Free Shipping! > > > > >Robin > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McNamara >Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 4:12 PM >To: rv8-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV8-List: Lights > > >Welcome! > >Another thing to consider in the realm of strobes/nav lights is the recent >revelation on VAF that some people have had their wingtip lenses melt from >the heat of the incandescent nav lights (Whelen). > >I haven't even flown yet and mine are already starting to melt, just from >testing them! So, before you whip out your Visa card and order the standard >Whelen strobe/nav light kit, consider the new LED nav lights. I'll be >buying them to replace my (brand new) incandescents. > >Harrumph. > >-- Don McNamara > N8RV > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Matt Dralle" >To: >Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 4:57 PM >Subject: Re: RV8-List: Lights > > >> >> >> At 10:50 AM 5/7/2009 Thursday, you wrote: >>> Fellow RV8 builders - >>> >>>This is my first post (not sure it will even go through?). I'm complete >>>with Emp/Wings, awaiting my fuselage kit (mid June). >>> >>>Looking at lighting options I'm shocked at the cost of postion/strob >>>lights, particularly the LED type. >>> >>>Has anyone considered or is currently using automotive LED lighting? >>> >>>Any other low cost options out there? >>> >>>Thanks! >>> >>>Ken >>> >> >> Hi Ken and Welcome! >> >> Wait until you start shopping for an engine... Try on $20-30k for >> basically what is a VW Bug engine is enough to rankle anyone. Nothing's >> cheap in this hobby. And just because its "aircraft quality" doesn't >> necessarily mean its good quality or worth the premium cost. That's being >> said, most of the components I've been getting on for the RV-8 project in >> circa 2009 are better overall quality than the stuff I was getting in >> circa 1989 for the RV-4 project. >> >> More specifically to your question, I think I paid something like $825 for >> the Whelen 3-strobe setup with integrated incandescent position lights >> (Van's calls it their "System 6"). Good quality throughout, smaller power >> supply than the circa 1990s system, and it works as advertised. >> >> Another thing to consider when choosing components is the resale >> implications. If you ever go to sell your plane - finished or not - being >> able to say that you have all the "standard", "aircraft-grade" components >> will allow you to demand the highest possible price. >> >> I look at it this way. This is a once-in-a-lifetime, $100k-$150k project >> that I may never get another chance to do in my life. Might as well not >> compromise on any aspects. >> >> My $.02 >> >> Matt Dralle >> RV-8 #82880 >> Laying Out Carpet Patterns in CAD... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >to browse >Un/Subscription, >Browse, Chat, FAQ, >more: >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List > >Web Forums! >http://forums.matronics.com > >support! > >http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >270.12.20/2100 - Release Date: 05/07/09 18:05:00 > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:30:36 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV8-List: Lights From: "Robin Marks" They are a heck of a lot brighter that the traditional Nav/Strobe combination like these: Robin -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 7:02 PM Subject: RE: RV8-List: Lights You'll definitely want to consider the actual brightness of these. I suspect they really aren't that bright when compared to the traditional incandescent lights or even the newer aircraft LED units. Check the lumens. Matt At 06:29 PM 5/7/2009 Thursday, you wrote: >Just jumping in on this Nav Light conversation. >I paid a bundle for my -10 LED nav lights (impregnated on a circuit board). > >For my 8A I was considering some Green/Red LED Nav lights from eBay. There are a million of them available. >Any reason why these will not work? $4.00, Free Shipping! > > > > > >Robin > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don McNamara >Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 4:12 PM >To: rv8-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: RV8-List: Lights > > >Welcome! > >Another thing to consider in the realm of strobes/nav lights is the recent >revelation on VAF that some people have had their wingtip lenses melt from >the heat of the incandescent nav lights (Whelen). > >I haven't even flown yet and mine are already starting to melt, just from >testing them! So, before you whip out your Visa card and order the standard >Whelen strobe/nav light kit, consider the new LED nav lights. I'll be >buying them to replace my (brand new) incandescents. > >Harrumph. > >-- Don McNamara > N8RV > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Matt Dralle" >To: >Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 4:57 PM >Subject: Re: RV8-List: Lights > > >> >> >> At 10:50 AM 5/7/2009 Thursday, you wrote: >>> Fellow RV8 builders - >>> >>>This is my first post (not sure it will even go through?). I'm complete >>>with Emp/Wings, awaiting my fuselage kit (mid June). >>> >>>Looking at lighting options I'm shocked at the cost of postion/strob >>>lights, particularly the LED type. >>> >>>Has anyone considered or is currently using automotive LED lighting? >>> >>>Any other low cost options out there? >>> >>>Thanks! >>> >>>Ken >>> >> >> Hi Ken and Welcome! >> >> Wait until you start shopping for an engine... Try on $20-30k for >> basically what is a VW Bug engine is enough to rankle anyone. Nothing's >> cheap in this hobby. And just because its "aircraft quality" doesn't >> necessarily mean its good quality or worth the premium cost. That's being >> said, most of the components I've been getting on for the RV-8 project in >> circa 2009 are better overall quality than the stuff I was getting in >> circa 1989 for the RV-4 project. >> >> More specifically to your question, I think I paid something like $825 for >> the Whelen 3-strobe setup with integrated incandescent position lights >> (Van's calls it their "System 6"). Good quality throughout, smaller power >> supply than the circa 1990s system, and it works as advertised. >> >> Another thing to consider when choosing components is the resale >> implications. If you ever go to sell your plane - finished or not - being >> able to say that you have all the "standard", "aircraft-grade" components >> will allow you to demand the highest possible price. >> >> I look at it this way. This is a once-in-a-lifetime, $100k-$150k project >> that I may never get another chance to do in my life. Might as well not >> compromise on any aspects. >> >> My $.02 >> >> Matt Dralle >> RV-8 #82880 >> Laying Out Carpet Patterns in CAD... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > >to browse >Un/Subscription, >Browse, Chat, FAQ, >more: >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV8-List > >Web Forums! >http://forums.matronics.com > >support! > >http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >270.12.20/2100 - Release Date: 05/07/09 18:05:00 > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 05/07/09 18:05:00 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:40:23 PM PST US From: "Don McNamara" Subject: Re: RV8-List: Lights Sorry, Matt. Hurts me as much as it does you. ;-) -- Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Dralle" Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 9:15 PM Subject: Re: RV8-List: Lights > > Oh great, now you tell me! :-) > > I wonder what Van's has to say about the melting issue. Sounds like > they're using the wrong kind of clear plastic to form the lens. > > I sure wish that Van's would just go with the older style boss-mount on > the tips. Those seemed like the cat's meow in terms of their ease of > installation and maintenance aspects. > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 > > > At 04:11 PM 5/7/2009 Thursday, you wrote: >> >>Welcome! >> >>Another thing to consider in the realm of strobes/nav lights is the recent >>revelation on VAF that some people have had their wingtip lenses melt from >>the heat of the incandescent nav lights (Whelen). >> >>I haven't even flown yet and mine are already starting to melt, just from >>testing them! So, before you whip out your Visa card and order the >>standard Whelen strobe/nav light kit, consider the new LED nav lights. >>I'll be buying them to replace my (brand new) incandescents. >> >>Harrumph. >> >>-- Don McNamara >> N8RV >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Dralle" >>To: >>Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 4:57 PM >>Subject: Re: RV8-List: Lights >> >> >>> >>> >>>At 10:50 AM 5/7/2009 Thursday, you wrote: >>>>Fellow RV8 builders - >>>> >>>>This is my first post (not sure it will even go through?). I'm complete >>>>with Emp/Wings, awaiting my fuselage kit (mid June). >>>> >>>>Looking at lighting options I'm shocked at the cost of postion/strob >>>>lights, particularly the LED type. >>>> >>>>Has anyone considered or is currently using automotive LED lighting? >>>> >>>>Any other low cost options out there? >>>> >>>>Thanks! >>>> >>>>Ken >>> >>>Hi Ken and Welcome! >>> >>>Wait until you start shopping for an engine... Try on $20-30k for >>>basically what is a VW Bug engine is enough to rankle anyone. Nothing's >>>cheap in this hobby. And just because its "aircraft quality" doesn't >>>necessarily mean its good quality or worth the premium cost. That's >>>being said, most of the components I've been getting on for the RV-8 >>>project in circa 2009 are better overall quality than the stuff I was >>>getting in circa 1989 for the RV-4 project. >>> >>>More specifically to your question, I think I paid something like $825 >>>for the Whelen 3-strobe setup with integrated incandescent position >>>lights (Van's calls it their "System 6"). Good quality throughout, >>>smaller power supply than the circa 1990s system, and it works as >>>advertised. >>> >>>Another thing to consider when choosing components is the resale >>>implications. If you ever go to sell your plane - finished or not - >>>being able to say that you have all the "standard", "aircraft-grade" >>>components will allow you to demand the highest possible price. >>> >>>I look at it this way. This is a once-in-a-lifetime, $100k-$150k project >>>that I may never get another chance to do in my life. Might as well not >>>compromise on any aspects. >>> >>>My $.02 >>> >>>Matt Dralle >>>RV-8 #82880 >>>Laying Out Carpet Patterns in CAD... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv8-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV8-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv8-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv8-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.