---------------------------------------------------------- RV8-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/15/09: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:50 AM - Re: UN Register Me from the 601 XL List (japhillipsga@aol.com) 2. 03:38 PM - Re: Re: UN Register Me from the 601 XL List (William Slaughter) 3. 07:35 PM - Re: Bolt Hole Clearance - Elevator Horn (Speedy11@aol.com) 4. 08:10 PM - Re: Re: Bolt Hole Clearance - Elevator Horn (Michael Kraus) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:50:10 AM PST US Subject: RV8-List: Re: UN Register Me from the 601 XL List From: japhillipsga@aol.com Please remove me from whatever list continues to send me e-mails concerning any zenith airplane product. Thanks, Bill Phillips -----Original Message----- From: RV8-List Digest Server Sent: Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:58 am Subject: RV8-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/14/09 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete RV8-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the RV8-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 09-06-14&Archive=RV8 Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 09-06-14&Archive=RV8 =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- RV8-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 06/14/09: 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:51 PM - Bolt Hole Clearance - Elevator Horn (Garey Wittich) 2. 09:20 PM - Re: Bolt Hole Clearance - Elevator Horn (Brian Huffaker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:49 PM PST US From: Garey Wittich Subject: RV8-List: Bolt Hole Clearance - Elevator Horn REF: -Regarding the 1/4 inch bolt holes in the Elevator Control Horns, ab out which the Left & Right Elevator Horns rotate on the center Hinge Bearin g fastened to the center of the Horiz Stabilizer. After drilling these 1/4 inch diameter holes (for the AN4 Bolt), these hole s are too close to the weld fillet that welds the torque tube to the perpen dicular part of the Horn. -The w eld fillets on my L & R Horns go ALL the way around the Tube. Thus the AN4 Bolt HEAD and corresponding Nut HEAD will come in contact with the "weld fillet" BEFORE they are tightened. -- - After reading the "Archieves" for possible solutions and some of my own thoughts it seems the options are (looking for the BEST Option): 1) Die Grind the weld fillet in the area where the Bolt and Nut heads will be, then spot prime with Zinc Chromate. 2) -Grind the weld fillet where the Nut Head will be and then use a reduc ed size Nut (MS21042-4) that has a smaller diameter than the -one supplie d by Vans. 3) -Use regular AN960 Washers and "contour them" to fit over the weld fil let so Bolt Head and Nut fit snug against them. -(Will need a longer Bolt than supplied by Vans.) 4) -Make a "thick" washer out of stainless steel (i.e. 1/8" thick) and "c ontour it" to fit over the weld fillets; thus the Bolt and Nut heads have a flat surface to tighten against. -Again a longer Bolt will be required. -<----- Seems the BEST approach to me. - Any subtle issues involved ??? How did YOU handle this situation ??????? Appreciate your comments !!! Thanks, - Garey Wittich - Santa Monica, CA=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:20:01 PM PST US From: Brian Huffaker Subject: Re: RV8-List: Bolt Hole Clearance - Elevator Horn On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Garey Wittich wrote: > - After reading the "Archieves" for possible solutions and some of my >own thoughts it seems the options are (looking for the BEST Option): > 1) Die Grind the weld fillet in the area where the Bolt and Nut heads >will be, then spot prime with Zinc Chromate. >> 2) -Grind the weld fillet where the Nut Head will be and then use a >reduced size Nut (MS21042-4) that has a smaller diameter than the -one >supplied by Vans. I believe that grinding away the fillet on a structural weld is a bad idea, leaves a stress riser and weakens the part. Van is pretty good at only using steel where absolutely needed for strength so I doubt there is enough extra to remove this safely. > 3) -Use regular AN960 Washers and "contour them" to fit over the weld >fillet so Bolt Head and Nut fit snug against them. -(Will need a longer >Bolt than supplied by Vans.) > 4) -Make a "thick" washer out of stainless steel (i.e. 1/8" thick) and >"contour it" to fit over the weld fillets; thus the Bolt and Nut heads >have a flat surface to tighten against. -Again a longer Bolt will be >required. -<----- Seems the BEST approach to me. - Any subtle issues >involved ??? Either of these sound good to me. > How did YOU handle this situation ??????? Just checked my parts, my hole is close, but it has enough space for a washer and bolt head between this hole and the weld. Brian Huffaker, DSWL (bifft@xmission.com) RV-8A 80091 Fitting canopy latch. 1/4 Starduster II N23UT flying
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:38:39 PM PST US From: "William Slaughter" Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: UN Register Me from the 601 XL List Scroll down. The unsubscribe directions are at the bottom of this (and all of the other) messages. It's do-it-yourself. From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of japhillipsga@aol.com Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 12:45 PM Subject: RV8-List: Re: UN Register Me from the 601 XL List Please remove me from whatever list continues to send me e-mails concerning any zenith airplane product. Thanks, Bill Phillips -----Original Message----- From: RV8-List Digest Server Sent: Mon, Jun 15, 2009 2:58 am Subject: RV8-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 06/14/09 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete RV8-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the RV8-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701 &View=html&Chapter 09-06-14&Archive=RV8 Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701 &View=txt&Chapter 09-06-14&Archive=RV8 =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- RV8-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 06/14/09: 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:51 PM - Bolt Hole Clearance - Elevator Horn (Garey Wittich) 2. 09:20 PM - Re: Bolt Hole Clearance - Elevator Horn (Brian Huffaker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:49 PM PST US From: Garey Wittich Subject: RV8-List: Bolt Hole Clearance - Elevator Horn REF: -Regarding the 1/4 inch bolt holes in the Elevator Control Horns, ab out which the Left & Right Elevator Horns rotate on the center Hinge Bearin g fastened to the center of the Horiz Stabilizer. After drilling these 1/4 inch diameter holes (for the AN4 Bolt), these hole s are too close to the weld fillet that welds the torque tube to the perpen dicular part of the Horn. -The weld fillets on my L & R Horns go ALL the way around the Tube. Thus the AN4 Bolt HEAD and corresponding Nut HEAD will come in contact with the "weld fillet" BEFORE they are tightened. -- - After reading the "Archieves" for possible solutions and some of my own thoughts it seems the options are (looking for the BEST Option): 1) Die Grind the weld fillet in the area where the Bolt and Nut heads will be, then spot prime with Zinc Chromate. 2) -Grind the weld fillet where the Nut Head will be and then use a reduc ed size Nut (MS21042-4) that has a smaller diameter than the -one supplie d by Vans. 3) -Use regular AN960 Washers and "contour them" to fit over the weld fil let so Bolt Head and Nut fit snug against them. -(Will need a longer Bolt than supplied by Vans.) 4) -Make a "thick" washer out of stainless steel (i.e. 1/8" thick) and "c ontour it" to fit over the weld fillets; thus the Bolt and Nut heads have a flat surface to tighten against. -Again a longer Bolt will be required. -<----- Seems the BEST approach to me. - Any subtle issues involved ??? How did YOU handle this situation ??????? Appreciate your comments !!! Thanks, - Garey Wittich - Santa Monica, CA=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:20:01 PM PST US From: Brian Huffaker Subject: Re: RV8-List: Bolt Hole Clearance - Elevator Horn On Sun, 14 Jun 2009, Garey Wittich wrote: > - After reading the "Archieves" for possible solutions and some of my >own thoughts it seems the options are (looking for the BEST Option): > 1) Die Grind the weld fillet in the area where the Bolt and Nut heads >will be, then spot prime with Zinc Chromate. >> 2) -Grind the weld fillet where the Nut Head will be and then use a >reduced size Nut (MS21042-4) that has a smaller diameter than the -one >supplied by Vans. I believe that grinding away the fillet on a structural weld is a bad idea, leaves a stress riser and weakens the part. Van is pretty good at only using steel where absolutely needed for strength so I doubt there is enough extra to remove this safely. > 3) -Use regular AN960 Washers and "contour them" to fit over the weld >fillet so Bolt Head and Nut fit snug against them. -(Will need a longer >Bolt than supplied by Vans.) > 4) -Make a "thick" washer out of stainless steel (i.e. 1/8" thick) and >"contour it" to fit over the weld fillets; thus the Bolt and Nut heads >have a flat surface to tighten against. -Again a longer Bolt will be >required. -<----- Seems the BEST approach to me. - Any subtle issues >involved ??? Either of these sound good to me. > How did YOU handle this situation ??????? Just checked my parts, my hole is close, but it has enough space for a washer and bolt head between this hole and the weld. Brian Huffaker, DSWL (bifft@xmission.com) RV-8A 80091 Fitting canopy latch. 1/4 Starduster II N23UT flying
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:55 PM PST US From: Speedy11@aol.com Subject: RV8-List: Re: Bolt Hole Clearance - Elevator Horn Garey, I read your post and went out to the hangar and checked my elevator horn. My bolt head and nut were clear of the weld, but just barely. I think I'd go with option 3 or 4. I'd try one and if it didn't work out I'd try the other. I don't think I'd grind away any of the weld. Stan Sutterfield Flying in a couple of weeks. REF: -Regarding the 1/4 inch bolt holes in the Elevator Control Horns, ab out which the Left & Right Elevator Horns rotate on the center Hinge Bearin g fastened to the center of the Horiz Stabilizer. After drilling these 1/4 inch diameter holes (for the AN4 Bolt), these hole s are too close to the weld fillet that welds the torque tube to the perpen dicular part of the Horn. -The weld fillets on my L & R Horns go ALL the way around the Tube. Thus the AN4 Bolt HEAD and corresponding Nut HEAD will come in contact with the "weld fillet" BEFORE they are tightened **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! eExcfooterNO62) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:41 PM PST US From: Michael Kraus Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: Bolt Hole Clearance - Elevator Horn On my RV-4 I ground a bit of the bolt head away. On the nut side I did not have to modify.... -Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jun 15, 2009, at 10:27 PM, Speedy11@aol.com wrote: > Garey, > I read your post and went out to the hangar and checked my elevator > horn. My bolt head and nut were clear of the weld, but just barely. > I think I'd go with option 3 or 4. I'd try one and if it didn't > work out I'd try the other. I don't think I'd grind away any of the > weld. > Stan Sutterfield > Flying in a couple of weeks. > > REF: -Regarding the 1/4 inch bolt holes in the Elevator Control > Horns, ab > out which the Left & Right Elevator Horns rotate on the center Hinge > Bearin > g fastened to the center of the Horiz Stabilizer. > After drilling these 1/4 inch diameter holes (for the AN4 Bolt), > these hole > s are too close to the weld fillet that welds the torque tube to the > perpen > dicular part of the Horn. -The weld fillets on my L & R Horns go ALL > the > way around the Tube. Thus the AN4 Bolt HEAD and corresponding Nut > HEAD will > come in contact with the "weld fillet" BEFORE they are tightened > > > An Excellent Credit Score367215/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=JuneExcfooterNO62 > >See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv8-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV8-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv8-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv8-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.