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1. 06:54 PM - Side Cowl Pin Size... (Matt Dralle)
2. 08:39 PM - Re: Side Cowl Pin Size... (Michael Kraus)
3. 09:49 PM - Re: Side Cowl Pin Size... (Terry Watson)
4. 11:42 PM - Re: Side Cowl Pin Size... (John Myers)
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| Subject: | Side Cowl Pin Size... |
Dear Listers,
I'm happy to report that the cowling on the 'ol RV-8 is complete and came out very
nice. I was able to get the seams all around very nice and tight.
Here's my question. On the bottom cowl firewall pins and the top cowl firewall
pins, the plans call out undersized pins. These go in nicely and I've got no
complaints.
However, on the side pins that join the top and bottom cowling pieces, the plans
call out an AN257-P3 hinge and don't mention using an undersized pin. I am
able to get the side pins in and out with a drill but its a lot of work, especially
going in, and it just seems like this is going to wear out the hinges after
a while.
In the kit, I noticed that Van's shipped two different types of hinges in the three-foot
lengths required for the cowling sides. There are two, 3' long AN257-P3
pieces and two, 3' long <other kind of hinge> that seems to be steel instead
of aluminium like the AN257-P3. The pin inside of these steel hinges is about
2/3 the size of the pin in the AN257-P3 hinges. So, my logical thinking
lead me to think that you're suppose just use the pins from the steel hinges on
the sides for easier pin insertion/extraction. Am I reading this right? Or
is it just a coincidence that they sent the steel hinges? I don't know what
else to do with them.
Thanks!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's All New RV-8 Construction Blog
Snorkel Intake Installation & Governor Recabling (1700 hours and counting)...
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| Subject: | Re: Side Cowl Pin Size... |
You don't use undersized pins on the sides... Try Boelube to
lubricate, the cowl and pins will fit much easier after a few heat
cycles of the engine.
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On Oct 2, 2009, at 9:54 PM, Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> I'm happy to report that the cowling on the 'ol RV-8 is complete and
> came out very nice. I was able to get the seams all around very
> nice and tight.
>
> Here's my question. On the bottom cowl firewall pins and the top
> cowl firewall pins, the plans call out undersized pins. These go in
> nicely and I've got no complaints.
>
> However, on the side pins that join the top and bottom cowling
> pieces, the plans call out an AN257-P3 hinge and don't mention using
> an undersized pin. I am able to get the side pins in and out with a
> drill but its a lot of work, especially going in, and it just seems
> like this is going to wear out the hinges after a while.
>
> In the kit, I noticed that Van's shipped two different types of
> hinges in the three-foot lengths required for the cowling sides.
> There are two, 3' long AN257-P3 pieces and two, 3' long <other kind
> of hinge> that seems to be steel instead of aluminium like the AN257-
> P3. The pin inside of these steel hinges is about 2/3 the size of
> the pin in the AN257-P3 hinges. So, my logical thinking lead me to
> think that you're suppose just use the pins from the steel hinges on
> the sides for easier pin insertion/extraction. Am I reading this
> right? Or is it just a coincidence that they sent the steel
> hinges? I don't know what else to do with them.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's All New RV-8 Construction Blog
> Snorkel Intake Installation & Governor Recabling (1700 hours and
> counting)...
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| Subject: | Side Cowl Pin Size... |
Matt,
Van's sell a hinge pin with a little stainless tab welded to one end.
Whatever the diameter of that hinge pin is would be the right one for the
sides, since that's what the pins are for. I remember that when I did mine
several years ago, I found that most everyone complained that the pins were
hard to get in at first but got easier over time. A little Boelube helps.
It's also important to grind the end down at an angle so you can twist it a
bit to get it into a slightly misaligned hinge hole.
Mine has been sitting in the shop for longer than I care to admit, but it
does get a little easier each time I pull the cowl off to check and change
the dehydrator plugs in the engine.
Terry
RV-8A
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[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 6:54 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Side Cowl Pin Size...
Dear Listers,
I'm happy to report that the cowling on the 'ol RV-8 is complete and came
out very nice. I was able to get the seams all around very nice and tight.
Here's my question. On the bottom cowl firewall pins and the top cowl
firewall pins, the plans call out undersized pins. These go in nicely and
I've got no complaints.
However, on the side pins that join the top and bottom cowling pieces, the
plans call out an AN257-P3 hinge and don't mention using an undersized pin.
I am able to get the side pins in and out with a drill but its a lot of
work, especially going in, and it just seems like this is going to wear out
the hinges after a while.
In the kit, I noticed that Van's shipped two different types of hinges in
the three-foot lengths required for the cowling sides. There are two, 3'
long AN257-P3 pieces and two, 3' long <other kind of hinge> that seems to be
steel instead of aluminium like the AN257-P3. The pin inside of these steel
hinges is about 2/3 the size of the pin in the AN257-P3 hinges. So, my
logical thinking lead me to think that you're suppose just use the pins from
the steel hinges on the sides for easier pin insertion/extraction. Am I
reading this right? Or is it just a coincidence that they sent the steel
hinges? I don't know what else to do with them.
Thanks!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N998RV
http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's All New RV-8 Construction Blog Snorkel
Intake Installation & Governor Recabling (1700 hours and counting)...
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| Subject: | Re: Side Cowl Pin Size... |
Matt, I think the pins for the cowl sides are usually approximately .090 in
diameter. Don't know about your hinges. Vans sells the special hinge pins
with the tabs on them and I think they are .090. Go to the Catalog page and
search for Cowl hinge pin. Somewhere on Van's site there is also a doc
about hinges used with Van's kits. There are 1/8 inch (.125) hinge pins,
3/32
or about .093 and 1/16 in (.063) for different apps. I think the MS or AN
257 hinges are the
3/32 ones.
I ended up ordering extruded hinges rather than rolled and used 6 ft hinge
pins cut to length for insertion from inside the cockpit but I am pretty
sure they are about .090 pins as well.
Your 8 really looks good in the pictures. Good luck.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com>
<rv7-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 8:54 PM
Subject: RV8-List: Side Cowl Pin Size...
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> I'm happy to report that the cowling on the 'ol RV-8 is complete and came
> out very nice. I was able to get the seams all around very nice and
> tight.
>
> Here's my question. On the bottom cowl firewall pins and the top cowl
> firewall pins, the plans call out undersized pins. These go in nicely and
> I've got no complaints.
>
> However, on the side pins that join the top and bottom cowling pieces, the
> plans call out an AN257-P3 hinge and don't mention using an undersized
> pin. I am able to get the side pins in and out with a drill but its a lot
> of work, especially going in, and it just seems like this is going to wear
> out the hinges after a while.
>
> In the kit, I noticed that Van's shipped two different types of hinges in
> the three-foot lengths required for the cowling sides. There are two, 3'
> long AN257-P3 pieces and two, 3' long <other kind of hinge> that seems to
> be steel instead of aluminium like the AN257-P3. The pin inside of these
> steel hinges is about 2/3 the size of the pin in the AN257-P3 hinges. So,
> my logical thinking lead me to think that you're suppose just use the pins
> from the steel hinges on the sides for easier pin insertion/extraction.
> Am I reading this right? Or is it just a coincidence that they sent the
> steel hinges? I don't know what else to do with them.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N998RV
> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's All New RV-8 Construction Blog
> Snorkel Intake Installation & Governor Recabling (1700 hours and
> counting)...
>
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