---------------------------------------------------------- RV8-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/09/11: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:24 AM - Re: Anyone here? (Speedy11@aol.com) 2. 07:59 AM - RV-8a Engraving (japhillipsga@aol.com) 3. 10:26 AM - Re: RV-8a Engraving (Konrad/Conny) 4. 10:26 AM - Re: Re: Anyone here? (Konrad/Conny) 5. 11:00 AM - Re: PMag (Matt Dralle) 6. 12:05 PM - Re: Re: PMag (Carl Froehlich) 7. 12:23 PM - Re: Re: PMag (Konrad/Conny) 8. 12:51 PM - Re: Re: PMag (Carl Froehlich) 9. 01:04 PM - Re: Re: PMag (Konrad/Conny) 10. 02:55 PM - Re: Re: PMag (Harrell, Lee) 11. 08:13 PM - Re: Re: Anyone here? (Brian Huffaker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:56 AM PST US From: Speedy11@aol.com Subject: RV8-List: Re: Anyone here? Welcome back. We missed you. It's been dead on this list since you've been gone! I'm doing lots of speed mods to my 8A getting ready for the racing season. I haven't posted all of them, but you can see some at _www.rv-8a.net_ (http://www.rv-8a.net) in Dec 10 and later. Stan Sutterfield In a message dated 3/9/2011 3:05:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rv8-list@matronics.com writes: Darn right you are, ...after all, I AM BACK... :-)) On Mar 8, 2011, at 12:39 PM, Vince Himsl wrote: > > Hi! > dead of winter, economy, but it will pick up. After all, you are back. > > Vince H. > RV8-75 hrs > N8432 > > Sent from my iPod > > On Mar 8, 2011, at 10:42 AM, Konrad/Conny > wrote: > >> >> Is this list pretty much dead? Haven't seen any posts here since I >> rejoined a few days ago after a few years hiatus... ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:59 AM PST US Subject: RV8-List: RV-8a Engraving From: japhillipsga@aol.com Dear Builder Buds, no the list is not dead. Some of us are just too damned busy building to write about it. I had some engraving done yesterday and I wanted to share it with you all. Sorry for the photos blur. I think the pro duct is great, service was superb and friendly and price was 30% less than Bill's Engraving that Matt D. used. The fellow that runs the place is Mr. J oe, nice guy who says he spent his airforce time hanging bombs and rockets on F4s in V mam. Great guy! You can see his card/ letter head in one of the photos. I was impressed by the work and recommend his shop. He can also do self stick vinyl letters, numbers and words for cockpit markings. Best reg ards, Bill of Georgia ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:45 AM PST US From: Konrad/Conny Subject: Re: RV8-List: RV-8a Engraving Thank you for the info. That is good to know!!! Konrad do not archive On Mar 9, 2011, at 8:53 AM, japhillipsga@aol.com wrote: > > > Dear Builder Buds, no the list is not dead. Some of us are just too > damned busy building to write about it. I had some engraving done > yesterday and I wanted to share it with you all. Sorry for the > photos blur. I think the product is great, service was superb and > friendly and price was 30% less than Bill's Engraving that Matt D. > used. The fellow that runs the place is Mr. Joe, nice guy who says > he spent his airforce time hanging bombs and rockets on F4s in V > mam. Great guy! You can see his card/ letter head in one of the > photos. I was impressed by the work and recommend his shop. He can > also do self stick vinyl letters, numbers and words for cockpit > markings. Best regards, Bill of Georgia > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:49 AM PST US From: Konrad/Conny Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: Anyone here? Don't you know it... ;-) But relax, I am back! I looked up your website, and it looks like you are doing a marvelous job on your many speed modifications. Cheers, Konrad On Mar 9, 2011, at 8:21 AM, Speedy11@aol.com wrote: > Welcome back. We missed you. It's been dead on this list since > you've been gone! > > I'm doing lots of speed mods to my 8A getting ready for the racing > season. I haven't posted all of them, but you can see some at www.rv-8a.net > in Dec 10 and later. > > Stan Sutterfield > > In a message dated 3/9/2011 3:05:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rv8-list@matronics.com > writes: > Darn right you are, ...after all, I AM BACK... :-)) > > > On Mar 8, 2011, at 12:39 PM, Vince Himsl wrote: > > > > > Hi! > > dead of winter, economy, but it will pick up. After all, you are > back. > > > > Vince H. > > RV8-75 hrs > > N8432 > > > > Sent from my iPod > > > > On Mar 8, 2011, at 10:42 AM, Konrad/Conny > > wrote: > > > >> > >> Is this list pretty much dead? Haven't seen any posts here since I > >> rejoined a few days ago after a few years hiatus... > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:00:25 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV8-List: Re: PMag I was browsing the P-Mag web site this week. They look pretty cool, but the web site really makes no mention of whether there's any real performance/economy benefit to them. Does anyone have any real world experience along these lines? I've got two standard Slick mags on my IO-390. If I dumped $2200 on a pair of P-Mags, would I really notice any difference? The IO-390 already starts and runs great. More power and better economy are always welcome, though... Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do... At 10:36 AM 3/9/2011 Wednesday, you wrote: >Do they even still make the E-mag, the non self powered version? > >I wonder what the performance differences are between E/P-Mags and the competing LSE- Systems in terms of additional power output as well as fuel savings? > >I wonder if anyone has ever run a single LSE in conjunction with not a Magneto, but rather an E/P-Mag for two truly redundant electronic ignitions? > >Hmm, I wonder how they would work together, i.e. if both competing EI systems would be mixed on one engine??? Hmm...? > >Konrad > > >On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Robin Marks wrote: > >>I think the early problems are behind them. I have one on my 8A based on some recommendations of RV pilots I trust that have had no issues in years of use. I plan to place on eon my -10 when they finally release the 6 cylinder version. >>Like most systems I prefer diversity so I would never run two PMags but I would never run two Light speed either. >> >> >>Robin >> >> >>From: owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of HCRV6@comcast.net >>Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:45 AM >>To: rv6-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here? >> >> >>HI Konrad, >> >>Well, the evidence seems to be accumulating that they have. More and more of them are in use in RV's in my area, KLVK, and so far it looks like they may have worked through those early problems. I remain somewhat cautious but thinking about starting with one and see how it goes. >> >>Harry Crosby >>RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Konrad/Conny" <klwerner@comcast.net> >>To: rv6-list@matronics.com >>Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:25:25 PM >>Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here? >> >>Hi Harry, >> >> >>Talking about P-Mags. Have they ironed out their infancy-/ teething problems in the few years that I was not paying much attention to it all? >> >> >>Konrad >> >> >> >>On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:58 PM, HCRV6@comcast.net wrote: >> >> >> >>I'm still here. My RV-6 has been flying for six+ years (805 hours and counting) but I follow several of the lists most of the time and reply if a question comes up that I can help with. >> >>BTW, someone recently posted on one of the lists something about putting together group purchases of P-Mags. I didn't think I was interested when I saw it but I am rethinking it. I would appreciate it if anyone could tell me who it was and how to get in touch with him, Thanks. >> >>Harry Crosby >>RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:05:27 PM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: PMag I have 200 hours on a dual PMag install using auto plugs (NGK BR8ES) in my 8A. I installed the PMags as replacement for a dual Lightspeed Plasma II+ install after 400 problem plagued hours. The PMags have been rock solid. I'm running a stock Van's O-360 back fitted with Airflow Performance injection. I run 80%+ LOP, typically 30 to 40 degrees or so - but can go further without getting a rough engine (but at that point the power is dropping off faster than the fuel flow). At 2350 RPM and 23.5" or so I'm at 8gph or less, and CHTs drop 50 degrees from ROP. I believe the ignitions enable this performance. I do know of an RV-8 running a Lightspeed Plasma II+ and a PMag. He too was running a dual Lightspeeds but when one died he replaced the dead one with the PMag. Performance wise he does not see much difference. The other aspect I can offer is that the service after the sale on the PMags has been superb. I'm on their short list to get the 6 cylinder model for the RV-10 project - and have been told I'll have them in time for an August maiden flight. My brand new IO-540 slick mags, harness and spark plugs will soon be for sale. Carl -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 1:54 PM rv7-list@matronics.com Subject: RV8-List: Re: PMag I was browsing the P-Mag web site this week. They look pretty cool, but the web site really makes no mention of whether there's any real performance/economy benefit to them. Does anyone have any real world experience along these lines? I've got two standard Slick mags on my IO-390. If I dumped $2200 on a pair of P-Mags, would I really notice any difference? The IO-390 already starts and runs great. More power and better economy are always welcome, though... Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N998RV http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do... At 10:36 AM 3/9/2011 Wednesday, you wrote: >Do they even still make the E-mag, the non self powered version? > >I wonder what the performance differences are between E/P-Mags and the competing LSE- Systems in terms of additional power output as well as fuel savings? > >I wonder if anyone has ever run a single LSE in conjunction with not a Magneto, but rather an E/P-Mag for two truly redundant electronic ignitions? > >Hmm, I wonder how they would work together, i.e. if both competing EI systems would be mixed on one engine??? Hmm...? > >Konrad > > >On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Robin Marks wrote: > >>I think the early problems are behind them. I have one on my 8A based on some recommendations of RV pilots I trust that have had no issues in years of use. I plan to place on eon my -10 when they finally release the 6 cylinder version. >>Like most systems I prefer diversity so I would never run two PMags but I would never run two Light speed either. >> >> >>Robin >> >> >>From: owner-rv6-list-server@matronics. com [mailto:owner-rv6-list-server@ma tronics.com] On Behalf Of HCRV6@comcast.net >>Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:45 AM >>To: rv6-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here? >> >> >>HI Konrad, >> >>Well, the evidence seems to be accumulating that they have. More and more of them are in use in RV's in my area, KLVK, and so far it looks like they may have worked through those early problems. I remain somewhat cautious but thinking about starting with one and see how it goes. >> >>Harry Crosby >>RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Konrad/Conny" <klwerner@comcast.net> >>To: rv6-list@matronics.com >>Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:25:25 PM >>Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here? >> >>Hi Harry, >> >> >>Talking about P-Mags. Have they ironed out their infancy-/ teething problems in the few years that I was not paying much attention to it all? >> >> >>Konrad >> >> >> >>On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:58 PM, HCRV6@comcast.net wrote: >> >> >> >>I'm still here. My RV-6 has been flying for six+ years (805 hours and counting) but I follow several of the lists most of the time and reply if a question comes up that I can help with. >> >>BTW, someone recently posted on one of the lists something about putting together group purchases of P-Mags. I didn't think I was interested when I saw it but I am rethinking it. I would appreciate it if anyone could tell me who it was and how to get in touch with him, Thanks. >> >>Harry Crosby >>RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:23:23 PM PST US From: Konrad/Conny Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: PMag Dear Carl, How was Lightspeed Engineering to deal with while trouble shooting your Dual LSE's during these "400 problem plagued hours"? Just curious... Konrad On Mar 9, 2011, at 1:00 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote: > > > > I have 200 hours on a dual PMag install using auto plugs (NGK BR8ES) > in my > 8A. I installed the PMags as replacement for a dual Lightspeed > Plasma II+ > install after 400 problem plagued hours. The PMags have been rock > solid. > > I'm running a stock Van's O-360 back fitted with Airflow Performance > injection. I run 80%+ LOP, typically 30 to 40 degrees or so - but > can go > further without getting a rough engine (but at that point the power is > dropping off faster than the fuel flow). At 2350 RPM and 23.5" or > so I'm at > 8gph or less, and CHTs drop 50 degrees from ROP. I believe the > ignitions > enable this performance. > > I do know of an RV-8 running a Lightspeed Plasma II+ and a PMag. He > too was > running a dual Lightspeeds but when one died he replaced the dead > one with > the PMag. Performance wise he does not see much difference. > > The other aspect I can offer is that the service after the sale on > the PMags > has been superb. I'm on their short list to get the 6 cylinder > model for > the RV-10 project - and have been told I'll have them in time for an > August > maiden flight. My brand new IO-540 slick mags, harness and spark > plugs will > soon be for sale. > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle > Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 1:54 PM > To: rv6-list@matronics.com; rv8-list@matronics.com; rv-list@matronics.com > ; > rv7-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV8-List: Re: PMag > > > I was browsing the P-Mag web site this week. They look pretty cool, > but the > web site really makes no mention of whether there's any real > performance/economy benefit to them. Does anyone have any real world > experience along these lines? > > I've got two standard Slick mags on my IO-390. If I dumped $2200 on > a pair > of P-Mags, would I really notice any difference? The IO-390 already > starts > and runs great. More power and better economy are always welcome, > though... > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log > http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel > Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do... > > > At 10:36 AM 3/9/2011 Wednesday, you wrote: >> Do they even still make the E-mag, the non self powered version? >> >> I wonder what the performance differences are between E/P-Mags and >> the > competing LSE- Systems in terms of additional power output as well > as fuel > savings? >> >> I wonder if anyone has ever run a single LSE in conjunction with >> not a > Magneto, but rather an E/P-Mag for two truly redundant electronic > ignitions? > >> >> Hmm, I wonder how they would work together, i.e. if both competing EI > systems would be mixed on one engine??? Hmm...? >> >> Konrad >> >> >> On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Robin Marks wrote: >> >>> I think the early problems are behind them. I have one on my 8A >>> based on > some recommendations of RV pilots I trust that have had no issues in > years > of use. I plan to place on eon my -10 when they finally release the 6 > cylinder version. >>> Like most systems I prefer diversity so I would never run two >>> PMags but I > would never run two Light speed either. >>> >>> >>> Robin >>> >>> >>> From: > owner-rv6-list- > server@matronics. > com > [mailto:owner-rv6-list- > server@ma > tronics.com] On Behalf Of HCRV6@comcast.net >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:45 AM >>> To: rv6-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here? >>> >>> >>> HI Konrad, >>> >>> Well, the evidence seems to be accumulating that they have. More >>> and more > of them are in use in RV's in my area, KLVK, and so far it looks > like they > may have worked through those early problems. I remain somewhat > cautious > but thinking about starting with one and see how it goes. >>> >>> Harry Crosby >>> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Konrad/Conny" <klwerner@comcast.net >>> > >>> To: rv6-list@matronics.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:25:25 PM >>> Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here? >>> >>> Hi Harry, >>> >>> >>> Talking about P-Mags. Have they ironed out their infancy-/ teething > problems in the few years that I was not paying much attention to it > all? >>> >>> >>> Konrad >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:58 PM, HCRV6@comcast.net > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm still here. My RV-6 has been flying for six+ years (805 hours >>> and > counting) but I follow several of the lists most of the time and > reply if a > question comes up that I can help with. >>> >>> BTW, someone recently posted on one of the lists something about >>> putting > together group purchases of P-Mags. I didn't think I was interested > when I > saw it but I am rethinking it. I would appreciate it if anyone > could tell > me who it was and how to get in touch with him, Thanks. >>> >>> Harry Crosby >>> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:51:07 PM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: PMag This the main reason why I pulled the Lightspeeds off my airplane. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Konrad/Conny Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 3:20 PM Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: PMag Dear Carl, How was Lightspeed Engineering to deal with while trouble shooting your Dual LSE's during these "400 problem plagued hours"? Just curious... Konrad On Mar 9, 2011, at 1:00 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote: > > > I have 200 hours on a dual PMag install using auto plugs (NGK BR8ES) > in my > 8A. I installed the PMags as replacement for a dual Lightspeed > Plasma II+ > install after 400 problem plagued hours. The PMags have been rock > solid. > > I'm running a stock Van's O-360 back fitted with Airflow Performance > injection. I run 80%+ LOP, typically 30 to 40 degrees or so - but > can go > further without getting a rough engine (but at that point the power is > dropping off faster than the fuel flow). At 2350 RPM and 23.5" or > so I'm at > 8gph or less, and CHTs drop 50 degrees from ROP. I believe the > ignitions > enable this performance. > > I do know of an RV-8 running a Lightspeed Plasma II+ and a PMag. He > too was > running a dual Lightspeeds but when one died he replaced the dead > one with > the PMag. Performance wise he does not see much difference. > > The other aspect I can offer is that the service after the sale on > the PMags > has been superb. I'm on their short list to get the 6 cylinder > model for > the RV-10 project - and have been told I'll have them in time for an > August > maiden flight. My brand new IO-540 slick mags, harness and spark > plugs will > soon be for sale. > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle > Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 1:54 PM > To: rv6-list@matronics.com; rv8-list@matronics.com; rv-list@matronics.com > ; > rv7-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV8-List: Re: PMag > > > I was browsing the P-Mag web site this week. They look pretty cool, > but the > web site really makes no mention of whether there's any real > performance/economy benefit to them. Does anyone have any real world > experience along these lines? > > I've got two standard Slick mags on my IO-390. If I dumped $2200 on > a pair > of P-Mags, would I really notice any difference? The IO-390 already > starts > and runs great. More power and better economy are always welcome, > though... > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log > http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel > Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do... > > > At 10:36 AM 3/9/2011 Wednesday, you wrote: >> Do they even still make the E-mag, the non self powered version? >> >> I wonder what the performance differences are between E/P-Mags and >> the > competing LSE- Systems in terms of additional power output as well > as fuel > savings? >> >> I wonder if anyone has ever run a single LSE in conjunction with >> not a > Magneto, but rather an E/P-Mag for two truly redundant electronic > ignitions? > >> >> Hmm, I wonder how they would work together, i.e. if both competing EI > systems would be mixed on one engine??? Hmm...? >> >> Konrad >> >> >> On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Robin Marks wrote: >> >>> I think the early problems are behind them. I have one on my 8A >>> based on > some recommendations of RV pilots I trust that have had no issues in > years > of use. I plan to place on eon my -10 when they finally release the 6 > cylinder version. >>> Like most systems I prefer diversity so I would never run two >>> PMags but I > would never run two Light speed either. >>> >>> >>> Robin >>> >>> >>> From: > owner-rv6-list- > server@matronics. > com > [mailto:owner-rv6-list- > server@ma > tronics.com] On Behalf Of HCRV6@comcast.net >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:45 AM >>> To: rv6-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here? >>> >>> >>> HI Konrad, >>> >>> Well, the evidence seems to be accumulating that they have. More >>> and more > of them are in use in RV's in my area, KLVK, and so far it looks > like they > may have worked through those early problems. I remain somewhat > cautious > but thinking about starting with one and see how it goes. >>> >>> Harry Crosby >>> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Konrad/Conny" <klwerner@comcast.net >>> > >>> To: rv6-list@matronics.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:25:25 PM >>> Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here? >>> >>> Hi Harry, >>> >>> >>> Talking about P-Mags. Have they ironed out their infancy-/ teething > problems in the few years that I was not paying much attention to it > all? >>> >>> >>> Konrad >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:58 PM, HCRV6@comcast.net > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm still here. My RV-6 has been flying for six+ years (805 hours >>> and > counting) but I follow several of the lists most of the time and > reply if a > question comes up that I can help with. >>> >>> BTW, someone recently posted on one of the lists something about >>> putting > together group purchases of P-Mags. I didn't think I was interested > when I > saw it but I am rethinking it. I would appreciate it if anyone > could tell > me who it was and how to get in touch with him, Thanks. >>> >>> Harry Crosby >>> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:04:25 PM PST US From: Konrad/Conny Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: PMag OUCH!!! do not archive On Mar 9, 2011, at 1:46 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote: > > > > This the main reason why I pulled the Lightspeeds off my airplane. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Konrad/Conny > Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 3:20 PM > To: rv8-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: PMag > > > Dear Carl, > > How was Lightspeed Engineering to deal with while trouble shooting > your Dual LSE's during these "400 problem plagued hours"? Just > curious... > > Konrad > > > On Mar 9, 2011, at 1:00 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote: > > >> >> >> I have 200 hours on a dual PMag install using auto plugs (NGK BR8ES) >> in my >> 8A. I installed the PMags as replacement for a dual Lightspeed >> Plasma II+ >> install after 400 problem plagued hours. The PMags have been rock >> solid. >> >> I'm running a stock Van's O-360 back fitted with Airflow Performance >> injection. I run 80%+ LOP, typically 30 to 40 degrees or so - but >> can go >> further without getting a rough engine (but at that point the power >> is >> dropping off faster than the fuel flow). At 2350 RPM and 23.5" or >> so I'm at >> 8gph or less, and CHTs drop 50 degrees from ROP. I believe the >> ignitions >> enable this performance. >> >> I do know of an RV-8 running a Lightspeed Plasma II+ and a PMag. He >> too was >> running a dual Lightspeeds but when one died he replaced the dead >> one with >> the PMag. Performance wise he does not see much difference. >> >> The other aspect I can offer is that the service after the sale on >> the PMags >> has been superb. I'm on their short list to get the 6 cylinder >> model for >> the RV-10 project - and have been told I'll have them in time for an >> August >> maiden flight. My brand new IO-540 slick mags, harness and spark >> plugs will >> soon be for sale. >> >> Carl >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle >> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 1:54 PM >> To: rv6-list@matronics.com; rv8-list@matronics.com; rv-list@matronics.com >> ; >> rv7-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RV8-List: Re: PMag >> >> >> I was browsing the P-Mag web site this week. They look pretty cool, >> but the >> web site really makes no mention of whether there's any real >> performance/economy benefit to them. Does anyone have any real world >> experience along these lines? >> >> I've got two standard Slick mags on my IO-390. If I dumped $2200 on >> a pair >> of P-Mags, would I really notice any difference? The IO-390 already >> starts >> and runs great. More power and better economy are always welcome, >> though... >> >> Matt Dralle >> RV-8 #82880 N998RV >> http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log >> http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel >> Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do... >> >> >> At 10:36 AM 3/9/2011 Wednesday, you wrote: >>> Do they even still make the E-mag, the non self powered version? >>> >>> I wonder what the performance differences are between E/P-Mags and >>> the >> competing LSE- Systems in terms of additional power output as well >> as fuel >> savings? >>> >>> I wonder if anyone has ever run a single LSE in conjunction with >>> not a >> Magneto, but rather an E/P-Mag for two truly redundant electronic >> ignitions? >> >>> >>> Hmm, I wonder how they would work together, i.e. if both competing >>> EI >> systems would be mixed on one engine??? Hmm...? >>> >>> Konrad >>> >>> >>> On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Robin Marks wrote: >>> >>>> I think the early problems are behind them. I have one on my 8A >>>> based on >> some recommendations of RV pilots I trust that have had no issues in >> years >> of use. I plan to place on eon my -10 when they finally release the 6 >> cylinder version. >>>> Like most systems I prefer diversity so I would never run two >>>> PMags but I >> would never run two Light speed either. >>>> >>>> >>>> Robin >>>> >>>> >>>> From: >> owner-rv6-list- >> server@matronics. >> com >> [mailto:owner-rv6-list- >> server@ma >> tronics.com] On Behalf Of HCRV6@comcast.net >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:45 AM >>>> To: rv6-list@matronics.com >>>> Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here? >>>> >>>> >>>> HI Konrad, >>>> >>>> Well, the evidence seems to be accumulating that they have. More >>>> and more >> of them are in use in RV's in my area, KLVK, and so far it looks >> like they >> may have worked through those early problems. I remain somewhat >> cautious >> but thinking about starting with one and see how it goes. >>>> >>>> Harry Crosby >>>> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Konrad/Conny" <klwerner@comcast.net >>>>> >>>> To: rv6-list@matronics.com >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:25:25 PM >>>> Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here? >>>> >>>> Hi Harry, >>>> >>>> >>>> Talking about P-Mags. Have they ironed out their infancy-/ >>>> teething >> problems in the few years that I was not paying much attention to it >> all? >>>> >>>> >>>> Konrad >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:58 PM, HCRV6@comcast.net >> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm still here. My RV-6 has been flying for six+ years (805 hours >>>> and >> counting) but I follow several of the lists most of the time and >> reply if a >> question comes up that I can help with. >>>> >>>> BTW, someone recently posted on one of the lists something about >>>> putting >> together group purchases of P-Mags. I didn't think I was interested >> when I >> saw it but I am rethinking it. I would appreciate it if anyone >> could tell >> me who it was and how to get in touch with him, Thanks. >>>> >>>> Harry Crosby >>>> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:53 PM PST US From: "Harrell, Lee" Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: PMag I have over 200 hours on my dual P-Mags in my 8A with an IO-360. The performance in all aspects of flight has been very consistent. Fuel burn at 50 degrees LOP is about 8 GPH at altitude. Installation and timing is very simple and the support has been outstanding. I run auto plugs and replace them annually. I bought the new engine with the P-Mags installed so I can't directly compare the performance to traditional mags, but I have been very pleased with the system. Lee E. Harrell, Jr., PE, LEED AP, QCxP President/Chief Executive Officer Harrell, Saltrick & Hopper 8016 Tower Point Drive Charlotte, NC 28227 Cell 704.562.4820 Office 704.814.1320 lharrell@hshpc.com www.hshpc.com Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Carl Froehlich Sent: Wed, Mar 9, 2011 20:46:52 GMT+00:00 Subject: RE: RV8-List: Re: PMag This the main reason why I pulled the Lightspeeds off my airplane. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Konrad/Conny Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 3:20 PM Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: PMag Dear Carl, How was Lightspeed Engineering to deal with while trouble shooting your Dual LSE's during these "400 problem plagued hours"? Just curious... Konrad On Mar 9, 2011, at 1:00 PM, Carl Froehlich wrote: > > > I have 200 hours on a dual PMag install using auto plugs (NGK BR8ES) > in my > 8A. I installed the PMags as replacement for a dual Lightspeed > Plasma II+ > install after 400 problem plagued hours. The PMags have been rock > solid. > > I'm running a stock Van's O-360 back fitted with Airflow Performance > injection. I run 80%+ LOP, typically 30 to 40 degrees or so - but > can go > further without getting a rough engine (but at that point the power is > dropping off faster than the fuel flow). At 2350 RPM and 23.5" or > so I'm at > 8gph or less, and CHTs drop 50 degrees from ROP. I believe the > ignitions > enable this performance. > > I do know of an RV-8 running a Lightspeed Plasma II+ and a PMag. He > too was > running a dual Lightspeeds but when one died he replaced the dead > one with > the PMag. Performance wise he does not see much difference. > > The other aspect I can offer is that the service after the sale on > the PMags > has been superb. I'm on their short list to get the 6 cylinder > model for > the RV-10 project - and have been told I'll have them in time for an > August > maiden flight. My brand new IO-540 slick mags, harness and spark > plugs will > soon be for sale. > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle > Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 1:54 PM > To: rv6-list@matronics.com; rv8-list@matronics.com; rv-list@matronics.com > ; > rv7-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV8-List: Re: PMag > > > I was browsing the P-Mag web site this week. They look pretty cool, > but the > web site really makes no mention of whether there's any real > performance/economy benefit to them. Does anyone have any real world > experience along these lines? > > I've got two standard Slick mags on my IO-390. If I dumped $2200 on > a pair > of P-Mags, would I really notice any difference? The IO-390 already > starts > and runs great. More power and better economy are always welcome, > though... > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N998RV > http://www.mattsrv8.com - Matt's RV-8 Construction Log > http://www.youtube.com/MattsRV8 - Matt's RV-8 HDTV YouTube Channel > Status: 150+ Hours TTSN - Paint Job Is All That's Left To Do... > > > At 10:36 AM 3/9/2011 Wednesday, you wrote: >> Do they even still make the E-mag, the non self powered version? >> >> I wonder what the performance differences are between E/P-Mags and >> the > competing LSE- Systems in terms of additional power output as well > as fuel > savings? >> >> I wonder if anyone has ever run a single LSE in conjunction with >> not a > Magneto, but rather an E/P-Mag for two truly redundant electronic > ignitions? > >> >> Hmm, I wonder how they would work together, i.e. if both competing EI > systems would be mixed on one engine??? Hmm...? >> >> Konrad >> >> >> On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Robin Marks wrote: >> >>> I think the early problems are behind them. I have one on my 8A >>> based on > some recommendations of RV pilots I trust that have had no issues in > years > of use. I plan to place on eon my -10 when they finally release the 6 > cylinder version. >>> Like most systems I prefer diversity so I would never run two >>> PMags but I > would never run two Light speed either. >>> >>> >>> Robin >>> >>> >>> From: > owner-rv6-list- > server@matronics. > com > [mailto:owner-rv6-list- > server@ma > tronics.com] On Behalf Of HCRV6@comcast.net >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:45 AM >>> To: rv6-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here? >>> >>> >>> HI Konrad, >>> >>> Well, the evidence seems to be accumulating that they have. More >>> and more > of them are in use in RV's in my area, KLVK, and so far it looks > like they > may have worked through those early problems. I remain somewhat > cautious > but thinking about starting with one and see how it goes. >>> >>> Harry Crosby >>> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Konrad/Conny" <klwerner@comcast.net >>> > >>> To: rv6-list@matronics.com >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 8, 2011 8:25:25 PM >>> Subject: Re: RV6-List: Anyone here? >>> >>> Hi Harry, >>> >>> >>> Talking about P-Mags. Have they ironed out their infancy-/ teething > problems in the few years that I was not paying much attention to it > all? >>> >>> >>> Konrad >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:58 PM, HCRV6@comcast.net > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm still here. My RV-6 has been flying for six+ years (805 hours >>> and > counting) but I follow several of the lists most of the time and > reply if a > question comes up that I can help with. >>> >>> BTW, someone recently posted on one of the lists something about >>> putting > together group purchases of P-Mags. I didn't think I was interested > when I > saw it but I am rethinking it. I would appreciate it if anyone > could tell > me who it was and how to get in touch with him, Thanks. >>> >>> Harry Crosby >>> RV-6 N16CX, 805 hours > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:16 PM PST US From: Brian Huffaker Subject: Re: RV8-List: Re: Anyone here? On Wed, 9 Mar 2011, Speedy11@aol.com wrote: > Welcome back. We missed you. It's been dead on this list since you've > been gone! > > I'm doing lots of speed mods to my 8A getting ready for the racing season. > I haven't posted all of them, but you can see some at _www.rv-8a.net_ > (http://www.rv-8a.net) in Dec 10 and later. Very interesting. I'm curious how much weight all that stuff is adding. Have you weight it with all those speed addons? 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