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     1. 06:45 AM - Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/27/11 (Rasmussen, Robert CAPT N08961, N7)
     2. 06:45 AM - Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/27/11 (Rasmussen, Robert CAPT N08961, N7)
     3. 07:45 AM - Re: Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/27/11 (Peck, Gaillard R CTR USAF ACC USAFWS/CBD)
     4. 11:49 AM - Re: Re: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/27/11 re fuel pick up tube alternative  (Peck, Gaillard R CTR USAF ACC USAFWS/CBD)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:45:57 AM PST US
    Subject: RE: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/27/11
    From: "Rasmussen, Robert CAPT N08961, N7" <robert.rasmussen@navy.mil>
    How hard would it be to retrofit that into finished tanks? -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV8-List Digest Server Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 03:01 Subject: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/27/11 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete RV8-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the RV8-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 11-06-27&Archive=RV8 Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 11-06-27&Archive=RV8 =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- RV8-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/27/11: 1 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:59 AM - Re: Re: RV-List: Fixed pitch to constant speed (Peck, Gaillard R CTR USAF ACC USAFWS/CBD) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:03 AM PST US From: "Peck, Gaillard R CTR USAF ACC USAFWS/CBD" <gaillard.peck.ctr@nellis.af.mil> Subject: RE: RV8-List: RE: RV-List: Fixed pitch to constant speed Here's a tip for anyone building wing tanks for a RV-8. A friend building an RV-10 told me about the fuel pickup tube on the RV-10. It has a strainer attached to the pickup end of the tube. That's a real improvement over the pickup tube in my RV-8 plans. My plans say: bend the tube and crimp the end of the tube and then hacksaw 7 or 8 holes about half way through the tube just above the crimp for the fuel pickup. I ordered the RV-10 tubes from Vans and found them to be a perfect fit and a much niftier way to go. They are nicely bent and come with the compression sleeve and nut already mounted on the flared end of the tube. All that you have to do is screw the nut on the fitting that passes through the inboard tank rib and install the locking bracket. It was a little tricky finding the RV-10 tubes in the Vans catalogue, but they are there. I forget how much they cost. I think both for $31 or so. Well worth it to me for this important component. Regards to all. Gail Peck RV-8 LAS no N number yet -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 9:02 AM Subject: RV8-List: RE: RV-List: Fixed pitch to constant speed Craig, I did this conversion on my 8A about three years ago. After reviewing all the performance data on the various CS props available, I selected the Hartzell blended airfoil. I have an IO-360, 180 hp engine so the engine weigh is the same as yours. Looking back over my W&B data, I can tell you the Hartzell was 13 pounds heavier than the Sensenich. I have two Odyssey 625 batteries mounted just aft of the firewall. I considered moving one of them to the aft mount location but decided to wait until after flying to see if it I had a nose heavy problem or not. Bottom line, I did not see much difference so I left the batteries where they are. As I did with the Sensenich, I put a 25 pound shot bag in the baggage compartment if I'm solo and no baggage. My W&B does not require this, but I find it helps. I can tell you the performance difference between the Sensenich and the Hartzell was far more dramatic than I anticipated. You will love the change. I have a couple of hotrod Lancairs at the airpark and while they eventually pass me, I give them a surprising run for their money. BTW - I'm using the PCU-5000 governor and am very pleased with it. If you need a governor control cable bracket let me know - I have a new one sitting here I bought from Van's by mistake for the RV-10. Carl RV-8A (650 hrs) RV-10 (prepping the fuselage for paint) From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 10:47 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Fixed pitch to constant speed Craig, Do you have your battery in the back? I have an IO-360 200 Hp / Hartzell BA CS prop (great combination) and have no issues flying solo with full fuel or near empty and no weight in the back. One note I have dual G3X and back up EFIS so I suspect my panel is lighter than a 10 year old build with steam gauges. Robin RV-4 Sold RV-6A Sold RV-10 225 Hours RV-8A 30 Hours From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AOL Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 7:31 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Fixed pitch to constant speed I have a RV8a with a IO-360 200hp which is a little heavier than your engine plus I have constant speed prop and have been flying it since 2002. That being said I do keep 25 lb. of lead shot in the aft baggage compartment and a few tools which keeps the elevator pretty even or level in flight thus creating less drag. When landing it also helps with a lot less trim. I have confess my best landing are when I have a passenger in the rear seat and nothing in the aft baggage area Dane Sheahen RV8a On Jun 25, 2011, at 9:01 AM, Craig Gallenbach wrote: I have a RV8A with an O-360 and fixed pitch Sensenich prop. I am considering changing to a constant speed prop, but I am concerned about the added weight on the nose of the plane. My plane is on the nose heavy side as it is, and I would not like to make it any more so. I am looking at the Whirlwind RV series. Does anyone out there know how the installed weight of a Whirlwind prop compares to the fixed pitch Sensenich? The Whirlwind prop and spinner weigh in at about 38# according to the folks at Whirlwind. I was hoping to find out the weight of the Sensenich installation without pulling my prop. Thanks, Craig Gallenbach Eastover, NC RV8-A, N184CG 195hrs href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution RV-List Email Forum - Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, w.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-Li =================== m">http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ===================== http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 06:45:57 AM PST US
    Subject: RE: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/27/11
    From: "Rasmussen, Robert CAPT N08961, N7" <robert.rasmussen@navy.mil>
    How hard would it be to retrofit that into finished tanks? -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV8-List Digest Server Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 03:01 Subject: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/27/11 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete RV8-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the RV8-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 11-06-27&Archive=RV8 Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 11-06-27&Archive=RV8 =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- RV8-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/27/11: 1 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:59 AM - Re: Re: RV-List: Fixed pitch to constant speed (Peck, Gaillard R CTR USAF ACC USAFWS/CBD) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:03 AM PST US From: "Peck, Gaillard R CTR USAF ACC USAFWS/CBD" <gaillard.peck.ctr@nellis.af.mil> Subject: RE: RV8-List: RE: RV-List: Fixed pitch to constant speed Here's a tip for anyone building wing tanks for a RV-8. A friend building an RV-10 told me about the fuel pickup tube on the RV-10. It has a strainer attached to the pickup end of the tube. That's a real improvement over the pickup tube in my RV-8 plans. My plans say: bend the tube and crimp the end of the tube and then hacksaw 7 or 8 holes about half way through the tube just above the crimp for the fuel pickup. I ordered the RV-10 tubes from Vans and found them to be a perfect fit and a much niftier way to go. They are nicely bent and come with the compression sleeve and nut already mounted on the flared end of the tube. All that you have to do is screw the nut on the fitting that passes through the inboard tank rib and install the locking bracket. It was a little tricky finding the RV-10 tubes in the Vans catalogue, but they are there. I forget how much they cost. I think both for $31 or so. Well worth it to me for this important component. Regards to all. Gail Peck RV-8 LAS no N number yet -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Froehlich Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 9:02 AM Subject: RV8-List: RE: RV-List: Fixed pitch to constant speed Craig, I did this conversion on my 8A about three years ago. After reviewing all the performance data on the various CS props available, I selected the Hartzell blended airfoil. I have an IO-360, 180 hp engine so the engine weigh is the same as yours. Looking back over my W&B data, I can tell you the Hartzell was 13 pounds heavier than the Sensenich. I have two Odyssey 625 batteries mounted just aft of the firewall. I considered moving one of them to the aft mount location but decided to wait until after flying to see if it I had a nose heavy problem or not. Bottom line, I did not see much difference so I left the batteries where they are. As I did with the Sensenich, I put a 25 pound shot bag in the baggage compartment if I'm solo and no baggage. My W&B does not require this, but I find it helps. I can tell you the performance difference between the Sensenich and the Hartzell was far more dramatic than I anticipated. You will love the change. I have a couple of hotrod Lancairs at the airpark and while they eventually pass me, I give them a surprising run for their money. BTW - I'm using the PCU-5000 governor and am very pleased with it. If you need a governor control cable bracket let me know - I have a new one sitting here I bought from Van's by mistake for the RV-10. Carl RV-8A (650 hrs) RV-10 (prepping the fuselage for paint) From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Marks Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 10:47 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Fixed pitch to constant speed Craig, Do you have your battery in the back? I have an IO-360 200 Hp / Hartzell BA CS prop (great combination) and have no issues flying solo with full fuel or near empty and no weight in the back. One note I have dual G3X and back up EFIS so I suspect my panel is lighter than a 10 year old build with steam gauges. Robin RV-4 Sold RV-6A Sold RV-10 225 Hours RV-8A 30 Hours From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AOL Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 7:31 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Fixed pitch to constant speed I have a RV8a with a IO-360 200hp which is a little heavier than your engine plus I have constant speed prop and have been flying it since 2002. That being said I do keep 25 lb. of lead shot in the aft baggage compartment and a few tools which keeps the elevator pretty even or level in flight thus creating less drag. When landing it also helps with a lot less trim. I have confess my best landing are when I have a passenger in the rear seat and nothing in the aft baggage area Dane Sheahen RV8a On Jun 25, 2011, at 9:01 AM, Craig Gallenbach wrote: I have a RV8A with an O-360 and fixed pitch Sensenich prop. I am considering changing to a constant speed prop, but I am concerned about the added weight on the nose of the plane. My plane is on the nose heavy side as it is, and I would not like to make it any more so. I am looking at the Whirlwind RV series. Does anyone out there know how the installed weight of a Whirlwind prop compares to the fixed pitch Sensenich? The Whirlwind prop and spinner weigh in at about 38# according to the folks at Whirlwind. I was hoping to find out the weight of the Sensenich installation without pulling my prop. Thanks, Craig Gallenbach Eastover, NC RV8-A, N184CG 195hrs href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution RV-List Email Forum - Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, w.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-Li =================== m">http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ===================== http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 07:45:14 AM PST US
    From: "Peck, Gaillard R CTR USAF ACC USAFWS/CBD" <gaillard.peck.ctr@nellis.af.mil>
    Subject: RE: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/27/11
    I am also sending this to my friend Joe Blank at Vans in case I am missing something and potentially putting out bad information. Joe, don't hesitate to chime in. Subject is installing RV-10 fuel pickup tubes (with strainers) in RV-8 tanks. My original email is at the bottom. Gail RETRO RV-8 Fuel Pickup Tubes It should be easy to replace the RV-8 fuel pickup tubes with RV-10 tubes (with the strainer on the end of the tube) if the wings are not on the aircraft and if the tanks were manufactured with the conventional fuel pickup versus the inverted pickup system. Degree of difficulty could be influenced by how the fuel pickup/sensor float assembly plate was mounted on the inboard tank rib with respect to sealant and the gasket. I don't have the plans in front of me right now to refer to part numbers, but visualize the inboard tank rib with the round 6 or 7 inch diameter hole containing a cover plate with fuel pickup tube, fuel level sensor, etc. There are a number of screws holding the cover plate in place. It should be as simple as disconnecting the fuel plumbing, removing the cover plate and lifting out the fuel sensor and pickup tube assembly which are attached to the cover plate. Then, remove the fuel pickup tube locking bracket (drill out two rivets), clean the surfaces and reassemble with the new pickup tube part, including the locking bracket and the cover plate gasket. Don't forget to use sealant on the locking bracket rivets. I haven't done it, but that would seem to be the way to get it done. If the wings are on the aircraft, it might pose more of a problem. I don't have experience at that level yet. But, if one can get to the cover plate on the inboard tank rib, the rest should be fairly easy. If that is not possible it should be fairly easy to remove the tank from the wing and proceed as above. Gail Peck RV-8 LAS No N-number yet -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rasmussen, Robert CAPT N08961, N7 Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 6:42 AM Subject: RV8-List: RE: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/27/11 How hard would it be to retrofit that into finished tanks? Time: 06:59:03 AM PST US From: "Peck, Gaillard R CTR USAF ACC USAFWS/CBD" <gaillard.peck.ctr@nellis.af.mil> Subject: RE: RV8-List: RE: RV-List: Fixed pitch to constant speed Here's a tip for anyone building wing tanks for a RV-8. A friend building an RV-10 told me about the fuel pickup tube on the RV-10. It has a strainer attached to the pickup end of the tube. That's a real improvement over the pickup tube in my RV-8 plans. My plans say: bend the tube and crimp the end of the tube and then hacksaw 7 or 8 holes about half way through the tube just above the crimp for the fuel pickup. I ordered the RV-10 tubes from Vans and found them to be a perfect fit and a much niftier way to go. They are nicely bent and come with the compression sleeve and nut already mounted on the flared end of the tube. All that you have to do is screw the nut on the fitting that passes through the inboard tank rib and install the locking bracket. It was a little tricky finding the RV-10 tubes in the Vans catalogue, but they are there. I forget how much they cost. I think both for $31 or so. Well worth it to me for this important component. Regards to all. Gail Peck RV-8 LAS no N number yet


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    Time: 11:49:49 AM PST US
    From: "Peck, Gaillard R CTR USAF ACC USAFWS/CBD" <gaillard.peck.ctr@nellis.af.mil>
    Subject: RE: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/27/11 re fuel pick up
    tube alternative Vans replied with the following email info re the fuel pickup tubes: "Deluxe Fuel Tank Pickup w/screen"? See attached pic & webstore link. This will fit any 2-place RV and is simply a parts 'upgrade'. Fuel Tank Pickup <http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1309283849-56-237&browse=airframe&product=fuel-pickup> F FUEL TANK PU W/SCRN PREFAB COMP. $16.50 Gail Peck RV-8 LAS No N-number yet -----Original Message----- From: Peck, Gaillard R CTR USAF ACC USAFWS/CBD Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 7:41 AM Subject: RE: RV8-List: RE: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/27/11 I am also sending this to my friend Joe Blank at Vans in case I am missing something and potentially putting out bad information. Joe, don't hesitate to chime in. Subject is installing RV-10 fuel pickup tubes (with strainers) in RV-8 tanks. My original email is at the bottom. Gail RETRO RV-8 Fuel Pickup Tubes It should be easy to replace the RV-8 fuel pickup tubes with RV-10 tubes (with the strainer on the end of the tube) if the wings are not on the aircraft and if the tanks were manufactured with the conventional fuel pickup versus the inverted pickup system. Degree of difficulty could be influenced by how the fuel pickup/sensor float assembly plate was mounted on the inboard tank rib with respect to sealant and the gasket. I don't have the plans in front of me right now to refer to part numbers, but visualize the inboard tank rib with the round 6 or 7 inch diameter hole containing a cover plate with fuel pickup tube, fuel level sensor, etc. There are a number of screws holding the cover plate in place. It should be as simple as disconnecting the fuel plumbing, removing the cover plate and lifting out the fuel sensor and pickup tube assembly which are attached to the cover plate. Then, remove the fuel pickup tube locking bracket (drill out two rivets), clean the surfaces and reassemble with the new pickup tube part, including the locking bracket and the cover plate gasket. Don't forget to use sealant on the locking bracket rivets. I haven't done it, but that would seem to be the way to get it done. If the wings are on the aircraft, it might pose more of a problem. I don't have experience at that level yet. But, if one can get to the cover plate on the inboard tank rib, the rest should be fairly easy. If that is not possible it should be fairly easy to remove the tank from the wing and proceed as above. Gail Peck RV-8 LAS No N-number yet -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rasmussen, Robert CAPT N08961, N7 Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 6:42 AM Subject: RV8-List: RE: RV8-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/27/11 How hard would it be to retrofit that into finished tanks? Time: 06:59:03 AM PST US From: "Peck, Gaillard R CTR USAF ACC USAFWS/CBD" <gaillard.peck.ctr@nellis.af.mil> Subject: RE: RV8-List: RE: RV-List: Fixed pitch to constant speed Here's a tip for anyone building wing tanks for a RV-8. A friend building an RV-10 told me about the fuel pickup tube on the RV-10. It has a strainer attached to the pickup end of the tube. That's a real improvement over the pickup tube in my RV-8 plans. My plans say: bend the tube and crimp the end of the tube and then hacksaw 7 or 8 holes about half way through the tube just above the crimp for the fuel pickup. I ordered the RV-10 tubes from Vans and found them to be a perfect fit and a much niftier way to go. They are nicely bent and come with the compression sleeve and nut already mounted on the flared end of the tube. All that you have to do is screw the nut on the fitting that passes through the inboard tank rib and install the locking bracket. It was a little tricky finding the RV-10 tubes in the Vans catalogue, but they are there. I forget how much they cost. I think both for $31 or so. Well worth it to me for this important component. Regards to all. Gail Peck RV-8 LAS no N number yet




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